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Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:29
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Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:29
More worrying is that George Osbourne seems to share your right-wing libertarian agenda! You just sound off on messageboards whilst dismissing the damage of his austerity programme - he ruins real lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:16
Yep, you're not wedded to any ideology in the slightest http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 17:38
I can see the benefit of regulation and legislation. That's against the free market ideology.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:01
The point I'm making is that we are not seeing swingeing cuts to services as claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:44
Not sure of your point, if indeed you have one?Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:37
Even free market ideologue loons like Hayek, Friedman and Thatcher believed in some regulation and legislation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:09
Well, I work in the private sector in a commercial capacity but I deal primarily with the public sector and believe me you are talking complete bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:11
Just becasue you refuse to acknowledge the cuts, even when demonstrated by evidence, it does not mean they are not happening. By dismissing cuts that have a massive detrimental impact on the vulnerable, you most certainly give the impression that you dont care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:11
Really? Are you talking about the entire public sector or just the bit you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:17
What evidence? All that has been posted on here is comments from a few left wingers. All you need to do is show me a list of every public sector department pre and post cuts and the level of services thry provided in each case. That should state quite clearly once and for allQuote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:20
Britain is still a very wealthy country but it's idea of adequately funding vital public services is laughable and it's only going to get worse. A couple of thousand years of human evolution and we have a bunch of wankers running the country who, to their core, still believe in survival of the fittest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:33
Alfie
There may be tough budget decisions to make, but there are also better use of spending money. The nhs could save billions if it coordinated it's procurement. Until it gets its house in order then can be no complaints about budgetary pressure
There you go, that is my rant for the night. I bid you good evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:35
Hang on, you said every aspect of the public sector had cuts so I said where is the evidence? That's not unreasonable. Jon also wrote what he thinks are cuts but hadn't provided evidence. I'm not saying he is incorrect, but just saying libraries have closed isn't providing evidence.
Whilst we are on the subject of libraries, their use has declined and whilst I appreciate they form a service to some people, in times of reduced budgets tough choices have to be made. There is also the changing behaviour of the majority who no longer use libraries.
I do totally acknowledge that the health service should employ more business savvy people when it comes to negotiating T's and C's of contract minutiae with industry but one of the fundamental problems remains inadequate funding. To ignore that just shows a lack of any real understanding of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 20:53
Alfie
As a starter for ten, how much would you say the nhs is short of funding?
These are just figures to ensure the basic functionality of the NHS, before we even get into detail around funding drugs that will significantly improve QoL and survival rates, desperately needed hospital modernisation etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 21:26
30bn over 6 years is 5bn per annum.
et voila
He does have plenty of decent, if impractical, ideas. His major flaw has always been his lack of objectivity - perceived or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 22:01
I wonder, and would not be suprised if Burnham starts to sound like Corbyn in the coming few weeks,and begin to eat into his lead.
I appreciate a lot of these targets could never be achieved but it's certainly a starting point to have a uniform cost structure across the entire nhs.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 22:39
Having said all of that and I'll keep coming back to it, there is a very obvious lack of funding at the heart of many of the NHS's problems and whilst I'm the same as you, in that I hate wastage, if you deal with the health service day in day out in both community and acute, it's undeniable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 22:49
What do you propose regarding the increase on funding?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Wed, 29 July 2015 08:11