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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Madassa
i don't know but whatever he will be open to questioning by both defence and prosecution.
He's already been called, by the prosecution but also questioned by the defence (see 11.26 on day 3).
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Closing arguments from the prosecution and defence today. Prosecutor laying into Henderson as you would expect. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...trial-21887929
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Looks like the defence is to blame the pilot.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Bloody disgusting someone needs to go to jail
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
Looks like the defence is to blame the pilot.
isn't he a easy scapegoat, its a easy way out for all
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
in fairness to the pilot he was guilty of not being current and guilt of accepting payment for the flight. There would have been no issue with his ratings if he had not received payment and operated the flight under his PPL.
flying a single engine aircraft like the malibu over water at night is nuts. You just would not do it even if you were current. That is what I just cannot fathom.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Harry Paget Flashman
Does anyone know what the penalty is for this?
its a CAA infringement so suspension of licence and a fine is most likely.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Madassa
you can hire a king air from Cardiff for £1400/hour. Its a twin multi crew aircraft. Why pay £4k?
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Feedback
you can hire a king air from Cardiff for £1400/hour. Its a twin multi crew aircraft. Why pay £4k?
Agent fees???
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
you can hire a king air from Cardiff for £1400/hour. Its a twin multi crew aircraft. Why pay £4k?
The flight out was on the Friday returning on the Sunday so would have cost a small fortune if charging by the hour 🤔
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
Looks like the defence is to blame the pilot.
The defence is to say that Henderson's actions did not endanger the aircraft, which is total nonsense. He sent a pilot who wasn't allowed to fly commercial passengers nor fly at night nor even fly that plane. Other than physically damaging the plane, there's not much more he could have done to endanger it.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Madassa
The flight out was on the Friday returning on the Sunday so would have cost a small fortune if charging by the hour
you're billed by the time the aircraft engine is on.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
lardy
The defence is to say that Henderson's actions did not endanger the aircraft, which is total nonsense. He sent a pilot who wasn't allowed to fly commercial passengers nor fly at night nor even fly that plane. Other than physically damaging the plane, there's not much more he could have done to endanger it.
the commercial aspect is not really that important here because it does not matter if the passenger was fee paying or not, the pilot's ability is still the same whether he is rated cpl or ppl. what is important is that he flew at night without a night rating, and he flew over water in a single engine aircraft. no pilot I know would disrespect the rules like that.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
the commercial aspect is not really that important here because it does not matter if the passenger was fee paying or not, the pilot's ability is still the same whether he is rated cpl or ppl. what is important is that he flew at night without a night rating, and he flew over water in a single engine aircraft. no pilot I know would disrespect the rules like that.
Surely it's important in a court of law, otherwise why have commercial licenses at all?
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
the commercial aspect is not really that important here because it does not matter if the passenger was fee paying or not, the pilot's ability is still the same whether he is rated cpl or ppl. what is important is that he flew at night without a night rating, and he flew over water in a single engine aircraft. no pilot I know would disrespect the rules like that.
What do you mean by rules? In a legal sense, or an unwritten rule? It does seem complete madness to me.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Jury has been out for a couple of hours and have still not reached a verdict - means I guess that some of them see the defences point of view...
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
lardy
The defence is to say that Henderson's actions did not endanger the aircraft, which is total nonsense. He sent a pilot who wasn't allowed to fly commercial passengers nor fly at night nor even fly that plane. Other than physically damaging the plane, there's not much more he could have done to endanger it.
I think the defence is that without the piece of paper the flight would have still crashed, so even though Henderson is guilty of being a crap manager, he didn't do anything that would have altered the outcome.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Didn’t the post mortem on Sala reveal high levels of carbon monoxide in his blood?
I recall investigations pointed towards a leak in the cabin which could have overcome the pilot ?
It hasn’t been mentioned 🤔
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
I just googled it
Air crash investigators found enough carbon monoxide in his body to have caused a heart attack or seizure
The pilot would definitely have been affected as well
If the plane is faulty then surely the owner must bear some responsibility as well as Henderson employing an unfit pilot?
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
The actions of the 2 pilots were clearly reckless at the least, but whether or not criminal in relation to this one charge is clearly open to question. I guess we will have a verdict today. 2hrs for a jury to be out is not actually very long.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Sunnysideup
I just googled it
Air crash investigators found enough carbon monoxide in his body to have caused a heart attack or seizure
The pilot would definitely have been affected as well
If the plane is faulty then surely the owner must bear some responsibility as well as Henderson employing an unfit pilot?
Not in the situation where the owner doesn't operate the aircraft merely leases it to an operator. Responsibility passes to lessee operator as if were owner.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Surely it's important in a court of law, otherwise why have commercial licenses at all?
a CPL allows the holder to fly for remuneration whereas if you have a PPL you cannot. The rules are quite clear but holding a CPL doesn't make you immediately a better pilot than a PPL. Quite a lot of CPL holders don't do much flying, certainly if they are instructors.
let me put it this way, if there was no money exchanged, then there would be no question of the rating held by Ibbotson (other than his lapsed night rating).
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Toadstool
I think the defence is that without the piece of paper the flight would have still crashed, so even though Henderson is guilty of being a crap manager, he didn't do anything that would have altered the outcome.
He supplied customers to his illegal operation the plane and a pilot whom he was instructed by the owner was not allowed to fly the plane. His operation failed to satisfy itself as to the qualifications and ratings of the pilot were genuine and all in order - no records. In running his operation in such a way the outcome was as it was.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
What do you mean by rules? In a legal sense, or an unwritten rule? It does seem complete madness to me.
As a PPL I would not accept payment for any kind of flight. It is outside of the rules of my licence. You might offer to buy me a coffee at the destination airfield, and that's ok, but holding yourself out as someone who is available to hire for flights is a no no and needs to be respected.
If Ibbotson had flown without remuneration then we would not be discussing his rating.