Bullshit and assumption, you say? :xmassherlock:
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Well say we can strike struck quicker deals with say Canada in a few months unlike the ridiculous EU Canadian 7 year negotiations , perhaps some benefit within that type of instance as it requires a 27 state agreement against a single negotiation ie just the UK andva single we can perhaps forge niche type deals?
We maybe also be able to tap into the Trans-Pacific Partnership group and Asian groups as well access to Europepean markets and have the best of both worlds, it will all depend on our worth to those countries and I guess our service industry, medicine , security expertise are something others are keen to tap into and be apart of ??
Think we need to now look forward and be positive whatever side you were on with Brexit .
Quote from Des earlier in this thread. To be fair, 450 in Wales approx 900 in total.
"And there you have it. As I'm now living in Poland and in the course of moving 450 jobs out of the UK (plus roughly the same supply chain jobs). I'm seeing the consequences first hand. Our EU contracts state must be made within the EU, our UK contracts have no reciprocal clause. Southern Germany wins again and our suppliers across England & Wales just lost jobs a s a result."
You could look throughout all of history and see how a Tory government has treated wales.
Even if you voted for brexit this shambles can’t be what anyone voted for.
We’ve had a whole year to sign trade deals and we haven’t managed to sign anything more than what we already had plus we’ve signed a much worse one with our biggest trading partner.
I know this is controversial on here but people were tricked into voting for brexit by people promising things who weren’t even in a position to deliver it who promptly ****ed off as soon as the vote was done.
People were duped and the country is already significantly weaker for it.
Jobs have already been lost, companies have already left the country, students have lost the Erasmus. There have been 0 positives beyond meaningless catch phrases.
It is not a genuine question and you know it is not. You are asking how something has improved life for the common man (what ever you mean by that phrase) which only happened yesterday so it has no chance yet of helping or hurting anyone.
Despite all the comments about 4 1/2 years most of that delay was caused by people who would not accept the will of the people. Until next friday materially nothing has changed so the question is spurious, and as I say, you know it is.
And again you state an opinion as if it were fact. You think the valleys will be fecked, but you cannot possibly know that for a fact for the same reason I just stated.
Let me ask you a question. Don't you think the valleys are already fecked inside the EU and if not in what way do you know (notice the word know, not think) that they will be fecked now.
You understand that there has been a measurable cost already right? I am struggling to think of a potential tangible economic benefit of it and it speaks volumes that one of the most prominent brexiteers on this board, life on mars, still believes the the EU functions as a sort of cash and carry, buying things of countries around the world for us to buy off them at an inflated rate.
The valleys and South Wales in general have benefitted from European investment as quite simply the south Wales valleys have pockets of deprivation as high as anywhere else in Europe.
Attracting industry and jobs to the valleys after the collapse of coal and steel was vital and much of it was done through e u grants . The main valley towns of pontypridd , merthyr , aberdare have had investment but it is the poorer areas of these towns and the isolated areas such as the upper Bridgend Valley villages that are and always will be in need of support . People living in our very poor communities not only struggle to get buses or trains , they struggle to find work and have community facilities that most of us take for granted and chronic ill health is a serious problem .
European funding has been vital in providing economic and social aid to deprived communities across Europe. I shudder to think what life would be for some people without support in some areas of the South Wales valleys .
The tory party , apart from the more enlightened ones like Ken Clarke have always had a problem as they see it as a socio Liberal organisation which goes against their dog eat dog ideology . Thatcher would love to have pulled out of Europe and so would have all her little puppies.
What farage and his mob did was Stoke the fire of xenophobia .......let's not piss about here .......and managed to persuade lots of people whose jobs were dependent on eu investment that they would be better off letting the right wing economic policies of the anti eu brigade look after them
They have my deepest sympathies as most economic analysts think they are going to be even more isolated than ever
But the nation has spoken , get on with it , just don't cry if it all goes tits up
I'm glad that a deal's been struck, although it was never really likely that it wouldn't, too much at stake for both sides.
This infographic is pretty simplistic but it's a good at a glance glimpse at some key elements of the deal. Sums up why I think Brexit's a terrible idea - no matter what the deal that's been negotiated is, it's not as good as the one we had before.
A world class case of shooting ourselves in the foot, and for what? To gain back control? We always had control, we didn't even use the same currency as the rest of Europe, was that their decision? France amongst other countries just decided to close their borders to us, was that the rest of the EU's decision or was it made unilaterally by the countries themselves?
Honestly I think it's a huge mistake and it's incredibly frustrating but it's done so we just have to deal with it. I'm just glad I'm not a leave voting father of a kid to whom I'll have to explain why I voted away their right to freely live, work and study in 27 countries right on their doorstep
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But it doesn't say how the Conservatives would benefit Wales. That's important.
I don't buy the line of voting for anyone other than the Tories, or anyone other than Labour, or anyone other than x. An example of an exchange I had on social media once went something like:
x: Drakeford is a prick. Can't wait to vote him out
me: Who are you going to vote for and what do they stand for and what do they promise?
x: Don't care.
me: Really?
x: Yes, just want to get rid of the prick.
me: So you don't know who you are going to vote for, just as long as it gets rid of Drakeford. You could end up voting in much worse.
x: No chance.
me: So without researching who the alternatives are, without knowing who stands for what, without working out which party or candidates align most with your political beliefs, you would happily vote in anyone, just to get rid of Drakeford, regardless of how good or bad it could turn out.
x: Yes.
At this point, I start banging my head against the wall, repeatedly. It shows a total density of some of the electorate.
Typical remoaner telling us Brexiteers that we were conned into voting for it. Get a life sunshine, we knew what we wanted, and we've eventually got it. Would have been done quicker if our best PM ever was still around, our Maggie 😁.
Democracy has prevailed, Boris has delivered what the people voted for.
Finally, let's vote next year to scrap Welsh Parliament, you know it makes sense 😉🍺🥂🎉🎇