Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 13:12
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
I would imagine it takes a lot less time and effort to buy a piece of land than to build 500 houses on it. You surely cannot be saying that it isn't feasible that developers might buy land because it is a good time to buy but not develop because their efforts are concentrated elsewhere... http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 13:12
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
You haven't got a clue have you fella http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 16:27
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
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Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by blue sky wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 18:13
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 16:27
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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 18:23
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
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Originally Posted by blue sky wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 18:13
Or we could accept all of the nonsense you have spouted in this thread without questioning it. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 18:23
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
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Originally Posted by blue sky wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 18:13
Can you explain how a policy that builds more social houses whilst reduces the demand for social housing at the same time is a bad policy?
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 16:27
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
So it is feasible that they COULD be holding onto land due to a lack of resources/manpower that other developers could be building on RIGHT NOW?
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 17:54
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 13:12
it seems like you're just coming up with reasons why developers don't develop when the reality is developers will build as soon as they have planning and as soon as the market means they will sell the development.
Doesn't stop you, care to explain...
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:42
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 17:54
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
it seems like you're just coming up with reasons why developers don't develop when the reality is developers will build as soon as they have planning and as soon as the market means they will sell the development.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 13:12
I would imagine it takes a lot less time and effort to buy a piece of land than to build 500 houses on it. You surely cannot be saying that it isn't feasible that developers might buy land because it is a good time to buy but not develop because their efforts are concentrated elsewhere...
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I haven't the time right now.
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Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:45
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:42
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 17:54
it seems like you're just coming up with reasons why developers don't develop when the reality is developers will build as soon as they have planning and as soon as the market means they will sell the development.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
I would imagine it takes a lot less time and effort to buy a piece of land than to build 500 houses on it. You surely cannot be saying that it isn't feasible that developers might buy land because it is a good time to buy but not develop because their efforts are concentrated elsewhere...
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 13:12
That gateau will still be there in 5 minutes.
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:47
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:45
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:42
it seems like you're just coming up with reasons why developers don't develop when the reality is developers will build as soon as they have planning and as soon as the market means they will sell the development.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 17:54
I would imagine it takes a lot less time and effort to buy a piece of land than to build 500 houses on it. You surely cannot be saying that it isn't feasible that developers might buy land because it is a good time to buy but not develop because their efforts are concentrated elsewhere...
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
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Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:49
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:47
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:45
it seems like you're just coming up with reasons why developers don't develop when the reality is developers will build as soon as they have planning and as soon as the market means they will sell the development.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:42
I would imagine it takes a lot less time and effort to buy a piece of land than to build 500 houses on it. You surely cannot be saying that it isn't feasible that developers might buy land because it is a good time to buy but not develop because their efforts are concentrated elsewhere...
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 17:54
You haven't got a clue have you fella
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
Doesn't stop you, care to explain...
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 13:12
I haven't the time right now.
So busy huh?
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:54
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:49
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:47
it seems like you're just coming up with reasons why developers don't develop when the reality is developers will build as soon as they have planning and as soon as the market means they will sell the development.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:45
I would imagine it takes a lot less time and effort to buy a piece of land than to build 500 houses on it. You surely cannot be saying that it isn't feasible that developers might buy land because it is a good time to buy but not develop because their efforts are concentrated elsewhere...
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:42
You haven't got a clue have you fella
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 17:54
Doesn't stop you, care to explain...
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
I haven't the time right now.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 13:12
About to be http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif LAST DAY AWAY, for a few weeks anyway http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:57
the 12 years supply would be based on current build rates and not on anything else. if the market could stand greater supply of new build then the 12 years supply would fall accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:54
why would rising land prices affect a developer with a chunk of land that they intend to develop? it clearly wouldn't as the developer already owns the land
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:49
it seems like you're just coming up with reasons why developers don't develop when the reality is developers will build as soon as they have planning and as soon as the market means they will sell the development.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:47
I would imagine it takes a lot less time and effort to buy a piece of land than to build 500 houses on it. You surely cannot be saying that it isn't feasible that developers might buy land because it is a good time to buy but not develop because their efforts are concentrated elsewhere...
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:45
You haven't got a clue have you fella
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 22:42
Doesn't stop you, care to explain...
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 17:54
I haven't the time right now.
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 15:08
Glad the tent has held up.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 19:33
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 18:23
How many times do you need it to be explained? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Re: Right To Buy - WAG slash discounts.
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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2015 00:54
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Wed, 10 June 2015 19:33
You can't say it's a bad policy because the total number of social houses decrease when the demand for social housing decreases by a greater amount. The net effect is a reduction in demand which is the purpose of a housing policy.
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I have said why I'm against it several times, and in detail.
You haven't bothered to respond to my reasons - just keep on repeating your ill-informed and patronising opinion all based on the view that if a single new home is built after a sale then the RTB policy must be good.
I have explained that it is expensive, inefficient and unfair. It raises costs for Councils, Council tenants, private tenants and taxpayers. It gives a windfall discount to a few at the expense of the many.
We need more Council homes not fewer.
If there is public money to spend (although I have said the cost of the discount falls mainly on Council tenants through a hit on the Housing revenue Account of Councils), it would be better spent on building more affordable homes of the size and in the location that they are needed.
Got it now?
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Jon
You are making statements but you're not backing them up with evidence. You have claimed many things but you are coming at this from your ideological angle where you are opposed to anything the Tories come up with. You claim it is expensive but this policy removes the maintenance costs of each house from the public purse. The taxpayer isn't having to pay any cash towards the subsidy - it is an opportunity cost based on what a similar property would achieve on the open market. The fact is the government/councils have probably already paid for the build of the property and any finance to go with it over the many years before RTB.
The undeniable fact is that this policy meant for every 5 homes sold 1 new home was built. In simple terms this means that we have more homes at the end that we did at the start. Considering the same people are living in the homes sold - there is no change in occupier just a change in ownership - then this policy creates new homes for those that need it. I've given numerical examples to explain how this alleviates the housing shortage yet you dismiss this aspect as being inconsequential. The purpose of a housing policy is to create homes for people to live in.
Even if this policy were expensive to the taxpayer you need to consider we are told continuously by certain factions on the left that we shouldn't view life through a spreadsheet or balance sheet and we should actually consider communities and people. so we have a situation which allows properties to be built for those that need it and you object because it costs the taxpayer money - you couldn't make this hypocrisy up.
Your aversion to this policy is dogma and nothing more.
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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2015 08:41
I have said why I'm against it several times, and in detail.
There's no value in discussions with him. It's like shagging a bird that just lies still. Just gives nothing back whatsoever. Do yourself a favour and rid yourself of him http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
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Kiffa
it is not about being receptive to ideas because what you and Jon are saying doesn't make any sense. You are arguing against a policy that builds homes and alleviates the housing shortage. I've given you examples of how demand for housing will fall as a result and Jon even accepts that this is correct, but because this doesn't meet with the ideology of 'socialism' some people are against it.
Jon hasn't provided any explanations - he has given his opinion and has failed to back up that opinion with evidence.
If the RTB policy reduced the housing stock I could see your point, but it doesn't reduce the stock it increases it. you are arguing for fewer homes to be built. Not only that there is no evidence that landlords charge more in rent for former social housing than current social housing. The opposition is ideologically based and nothing more.
The fact is following RTB the same occupiers are in the houses they were in before RTB, all that has changed is legal ownership and that change in ownership allows new houses to be built for people who are currently homeless.
Your comments are symptomatic of those who have nothing left to present as proof of their arguments. In other words, your arguments are weak. You've made many claims, along with Jon, that costs rise and rents increase but when challenged to provide evidence none is forthcoming. So until that evidence is represented all you are doing is offering your opinion and that opinion is based on your ideology.
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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Thu, 11 June 2015 12:10
You have indeed explained yourself over and over. Unfortunately explanations fall on deaf ears with Feedback.
All the best Feedy.
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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Thu, 11 June 2015 12:10
I have said why I'm against it several times, and in detail.
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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Thu, 11 June 2015 08:41
You haven't bothered to respond to my reasons - just keep on repeating your ill-informed and patronising opinion all based on the view that if a single new home is built after a sale then the RTB policy must be good.
You've nailed it. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Thu, 11 June 2015 12:18
You have indeed explained yourself over and over. Unfortunately explanations fall on deaf ears with Feedback.
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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Thu, 11 June 2015 12:10
This is why I am giving up on entering into any discussion with him in the future. It's like talking to a plank of wood. The man has no capacity, be it deliberate or otherwise, to be receptive to anything anyone has to say, evidenced in the predictable regurgitation of the same point over and over again. He'll probably try and engage me on these points, despite me saying I'll no longer enter into any discussion with him, which just goes to show how little sinks in.
your turn...
