Bloody terrorists

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Originally Posted by Rjk

You have your history wrong with regards to Neville Chamberlain.
If Britain had found themselves at war with Germany at that time, we would have been destroyed. And the military advisors knew it. So while the ink was still wet on the piece of paper Chamberlain was waving he was also sanctioning a huge increase in Britain's military capabilities, without which we could not have won the war.
Unfortunately, history has not been kind to Chamberlain, as Churchill made sure he took all of the credit, and chamberlain was portrayed the way he generally is, but the delay in starting the war and subsequent rearmament are arguably more important than anything Churchill did.

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This is correct

For some reason Chamberlain is always used as an example when terrorist attacks happen which shows that the people talking about how we're "appeasing terrorists" have no idea what they're on about, and are basing their argument off of assumptions

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Originally Posted by Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond

I DID NOT say I wanted to ban all muslims. I said allow in muslims who are professional famlies, and not immediately let in thousands of fighting-age males.

I am NOT against outside cultures (you know, this is all pointless, as we won't change each other's viewpoints and all we'll do is trade insults). As I've already mentioned, to reinforce my very point, I know what happens when an aggressive, invasive culture overtakes another, more benign, liberal culture. It ain't pretty. The aboriginals were treated as sub-human up until the 1970's - their descendants will pay the price for generations to come. A civilised, democratic, modern country would not allow that to happen. It only happens when people just close their eyes to what is happening. Remember the Nazis and the Neville Chamberlain quote: "Here is the paper that bears his name as well as mine......" Compromise seemed better than conflict.

It's all denial. It's called appeasement.

I DO realise I am not in the strongest position. I know that belittling is the only response from the liberal left (AKA the public - who are fed shit by the zionist media, and believe it).

The West is/was a considerable achievement; a democratic society that allowed women's rights, allowed people to be gay without persecution or hanging or beheading, allowed people to worship whatever their beliefs, all to be treated the same. I fail to see how regular terrorist attacks are in any way better than Western civilisation. I think women should be educated and be allowed to vote and allowed to drive. Do you ?

I am aware of what invasive species can do. Are you ?

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Trading insults: have I insulted you in this thread?

Ban all muslims: you said you agreed with trump and his take was certainly ban all muslims. Glad you've backed down a little on that. Of course I totally agree with proper strict border checks.

Women to be educated and drive: is this a serious question? You say you want a debate and no insults, that belittling is the only response from the left (by which I assume you mean me), and then you finish with that.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Trading insults: have I insulted you in this thread?

Ban all muslims: you said you agreed with trump and his take was certainly ban all muslims. Glad you've backed down a little on that. Of course I totally agree with proper strict border checks.

Women to be educated and drive: is this a serious question? You say you want a debate and no insults, that belittling is the only response from the left (by which I assume you mean me), and then you finish with that.

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Women to be educated and drive, umm that happens in the Muslim world. And yeah I agree, is it serious question?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

That's how it works on here, if they can't silence you they will attack you instead.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Who's trying to silence anyone? All I said is I don't think religion and prayers have any place in this sort of discussion as it detracts from the actual discussion.

You seem awfully paranoid.

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I'm not paranoid at all, I'm just saying what I see on here regularly.

I think that men should be allowed to shut the door when they go for a tinkle. Do you?

I think that children should be allowed to play in the sunshine if they feel like it. Do you?

R.I.P TO those who died today.

Very sad



Is the swear filter still off?


If it is I shall refrain from saying what I think about the cowardly scum who committed this Babaric act

RIP the victims of islam

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Originally Posted by goslow

RIP the victims of islam

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They're not the victims of Islam, they are the victims of mindless c*nts

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Originally Posted by City123

They're not the victims of Islam, they are the victims of mindless c*nts

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Exactly, the Qur'an forbids killing ppl

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Exactly, the Qur'an forbids killing ppl

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Unless they're homosexuals,unbelievers or apostates.

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Originally Posted by City123

They're not the victims of Islam, they are the victims of mindless c*nts

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In your opinion.

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Originally Posted by goslow

Unless they're homosexuals,unbelievers or apostates.

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Okay, that isnt the case.

Lets not make this thread a debate about religion

Regarding the poster above ...... He has moved to Australia which is a compatable country to ours. He doesn't need to change his way of life/thinking. I'm not anti-migrants/refugees and I'm not 'let everyone in'. The truth of the matter is The UK is already one of the most densely populated countries in the world ... FACT. Our welfare system is milked by far too many people ... FACT.
We should accept skilled migrants and genuine refugees. Economic migrants (especially uneducated ones who would have to be 're-educated' to our 'pasty and pint' lifestyle) really should be looking to settle in countries where, at least, their culture/lifestyles are compatable. No matter how you look at it .... multi-culturalism in Europe hasn't been successful. Ethnic groups of all races etc tend to gravitate to their own, whilst the idea of housing migrants is to stick many in ghettoes .. a breeding ground for dangerous opinions to spread. Personally, I don't know what the answer is ... and if I did, there's always someone willing to argue against. All I know is ... the system is broken. All the shouting in the world from the far right, far left ... whoever ... isn't providing a solution.

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Originally Posted by CCFC_Urawa_Reds

Regarding the poster above ...... He has moved to Australia which is a compatable country to ours. He doesn't need to change his way of life/thinking.

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I think yyou might need to look up a few history books. :facepalm:

The UK is the 53rd most densely populated country in the world. Other than London there's loads of space.

I agree we need controlled immigration but the fact we have only let a small percentage of refugees in shows that we already have some controls in place.

Closing the boarders will do nothing, if anything that's what the terrorists want. Our problem, as with Belgium and France, is the brainwashing of British born Muslims.

And I just hope we are keeping a very close eye on any British citizen going to Syria and returning because in my book there is only one reason to go there.

RIP to all innocent victims.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The UK is the 53rd most densely populated country in the world. Other than London there's loads of space.

I agree we need controlled immigration but the fact we have only let a small percentage of refugees in shows that we already have some controls in place.

Closing the boarders will do nothing, if anything that's what the terrorists want. Our problem, as with Belgium and France, is the brainwashing of British born Muslims.

And I just hope we are keeping a very close eye on any British citizen going to Syria and returning because in my book there is only one reason to go there.

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If they go to Syria then they shouldn't be allowed to return,ever.

Rest in peace all those affected, I will take a moment's silence at midday today to pay my respects.

The fact is the horrendous events that have occurred recently in Brussels and Ankara continues to snowball the debate regarding religion (Specifically Islam), refugees and migrants. My fear is the negating effect on people's attitudes towards those of different ethnicities, cultures, religions and backgrounds. Yet another reminder for people to promote Islamophobia, hopefully those more open minded will be quick to brush off claiming these attacks are a result of Islam. It's not Islam it's radicalisation and wanton destruction of innocent lives and communities.

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Okay, that isnt the case.

Lets not make this thread a debate about religion

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Religion is part of the problem. Religious indoctrination is the reason why such terrorist groups can find recruits for suicide bombings i.e. reward in the afterlife, the concept of going to paradise etc. ETA and the IRA were both ruthless and disgusting organisations that slaughtered many innocent people but suicide bombings played no major part in their atrocities.
And we know how religion groups tends to indoctrinate its adherents that non-believers are evil/bound for hell/inferior etc - and many so-called holy books call for non-believers to be either vanquished or at least marginalised.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Religion is part of the problem. Religious indoctrination is the reason why such terrorist groups can find recruits for suicide bombings i.e. reward in the afterlife, the concept of going to paradise etc. ETA and the IRA were both ruthless and disgusting organisations that slaughtered many innocent people but suicide bombings played no major part in their atrocities.
And we know how religion groups tends to indoctrinate its adherents that non-believers are evil/bound for hell/inferior etc - and many so-called holy books call for non-believers to be either vanquished or at least marginalised.

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Please don't think that I am racist or Islamaphobic. I fully appreciate that ISIS is no more representative of Muslims than the IRA was of Republicans in Northern Ireland. However, religion is often the hook that terrorist groups from the Middle East use to recruit their supporters.

I am also aware that the Western powers bear a responsibility for many of the things of they carried out over the centuries in that part of the world.

So with governments giving themselves the authority to track our every movement, transactions and correspondence has given absolute control of us without any protection whatsoever.

As Benjamin Franklin (17 January 1706 – 17 April 1790), one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, said

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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Governments can't have it both ways. Ramming fear of this attack after fear that attack down our throats on a constant daily basis AND do virtually nothing to prevent actual attacks.

My last thought on this are the largely unreported or "in other news" of people dying each day due to government or terrorist violence in response to government violence. For example https://www.iraqbodycount.org
Over half a million of people have died in Iraq due to government and state violence and terrorist violence.

Thirty people died in Belgium yesterday as a result of terrorist violence.

Did you know or even care that a suicide bomber killed at least 60 people and wounded 70 others after ramming his explosives-laden truck into a security checkpoint at one of entrances to the Iraqi city of Hillah, south of Baghdad earlier this month?

The backlash of the Belgium attacks will be more power to governments to control our lives.

Personally I think governments are mostly bought and paid for fascists (please see original definition of fascist) there to rob you with fear of violence against you (taxation). That said, if we do have to have a government (that has more powers than the people who vote it for or operate individually within it - which is bizarre don't you think?) then let's hold them to account.

Politicians and senior government officials MUST go to prison if they don't do they're jobs. Private individuals and directors face gaol time for acts of omission or negligence - so must government officials? Surely that's fair?

And no I'm not a terrorist sympathiser. I'm just someone who is sick of being told lies.

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53rd most densely populated country? Nah .... Country proper we are probably top 20 (I'm not including European overseas territories such as Bermuda, Jersey, Guernsey, Gibraltar, New Caledonia ..... and places such as The Vatican City, Monaco above us in this list).

Off the top of my head, I could only think of: Bangladesh, India, The Maldives, Japan, South Korea, Holland and Belgium ...... although, looking at the list, I can see that Vietnam and Israel are obvious ones .... while the Philippines is a surprise.

Qatar at 87 .. and Saudi Arabia at 216 ...... 216 !! Both are wealthy arabic countries who are not doing their fair share. Saudi students I speak to openly admit there is so much space for new housing projects. The truth of the matter is, though, for all the brotherhood nonsense ...... The Saudis don't want refugees and migrants. Qatar is a little different, it's population is already half migrant, would it take more?

In Africa, Nigeria and South Africa are both continental powerhouses who 'could' possibly accept migrants and refugees. Although, Nigeria, especially, probably wouldn't want to tip the ethnic balance considering the way Boko Harem are whipping up fanatical sentiment amongst some Muslims.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Religion is part of the problem. Religious indoctrination is the reason why such terrorist groups can find recruits for suicide bombings i.e. reward in the afterlife, the concept of going to paradise etc. ETA and the IRA were both ruthless and disgusting organisations that slaughtered many innocent people but suicide bombings played no major part in their atrocities.
And we know how religion groups tends to indoctrinate its adherents that non-believers are evil/bound for hell/inferior etc - and many so-called holy books call for non-believers to be either vanquished or at least marginalised.

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Agree with that, but also a sense of being part of a community that is under attack is a huge driver for terrorism.
Suicide bombings I think must have a large element if religion in the thought processes that could lead someone to do that, but many terrorist acts I think are as much about a sense of injustice and revenge than about killing the non believers.

Think of the Norwegian terrorist Anders breivik , he felt his way of life was being taken away by left wing people and immigrants, I don't think he was motivated by scripture.

Likewise a great many of the young angrymen who travel to Syria do so out of a burning hatred caused by civilian casualties in the region more than words written on a page in my opinion.

Imagine England went to war with Wales, and there was massive civilian loss in wales on a daily basis, I have no doubt that some previously right minded welsh people, woukd be motivated to cmittt acts of terrorism against the English in retribution, and it wouldn't be religiously motivated.
So I think religion does pay a big part in this, but it isn't the only driving factor.

An interesting article, about IS where a leading academic raises some interesting points that might be relevant here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6748251.html