Just more centraist like a John Smith labour type vision with a hint of Blarism, not keen on nationalism in any shape or formQuote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
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Just more centraist like a John Smith labour type vision with a hint of Blarism, not keen on nationalism in any shape or formQuote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Oh ''one more heave'' Smith, the do nothing, say nothing type approach guy,
with a hint of Blairsm you say, many say that guy is a bigger Tory than Mrs Thatcher was.
Unionist parties are nationalist parties any party that believes in borders are.
Gosh are you saying Smith was a bigger Tory than Thatcher or Blair ?? those quotes are very new to me .Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Yes they were centralists within a Labour party , ( Smith less so than Blair ) ,yes they were modernists, but more right wing than Thatcher !!!!! maybe stretching it in my view .
As you say '('one more heave ") this is my final reply I just want to avoid repeating myself , you have my view on record I'm a centralists socialist , who thinks we should move on from the old socialist model , think new and better than Tories , as Labour since Blair has failed to attract the imagination of voters, in fact they have lost many of them, feel free to quote or bookmark my view .
I said many think that Blair was a bigger Tory than Mrs Thatcher was, not Smith.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
You say you are a centralist socialist, what is that ?, to me a Socialist is someone out on the left of the political spectrum therefore a centralist Socialist would be halfway between been being a standard left winger and being a fully fledged Communist.
It strikes me you are a centralist right winger and not on the left at all.
I have a question for you 'life on mars' who have you voted for in General Elections over the years ?
I voted Foot in 83 and Plaid ever since, Labour abandoned me and not the other way around after Foot, I have stood true (on a political graph) to my political leanings all my voting life.
Which party or parties have you voted for over the years 'life on mars' ?
Voted Labour all my life , until Corbyn , loathed the man, I hold him responsible and his backers for destroying the party . They had a great chance to beat a poor Tory party under May , however Infighting and partly ideology destroyed that moment .Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Did you vote for Foot ?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
and who did you vote for if you did not vote for Corbyn ?
I did vote for Foot , think he even won ore seats than Corbyn , gosh they were different times , I would not repeat that now in this modern and different world , yep I was young and still tainted by Thatcher .Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
This time around and last I voted for L.D . , as it had a few decent ex Labour MP,s, I will admit though as with other abour voters I hovered over the Tory tick box ( just to halt the Corbyn machine ) thankfully millions of other Labour voters took that decision for me.
So what was wrong with Corbyn ?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
the alternative leaders from the other big Westminster parties were Boris and Swinson who imo were worse.
As I said it was a personal and bad taste choice, as I think the man is not that nice an individual , and I found the machinery and people behind him even more repellent .Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Simple as that , yes more repellant than Boris or Swinson , I blame Corbynsim for destroying the party , or was that the plan??
He did seem to hold the core beliefs and values of Labour, I think that the press did a disingenuous number on him and now some leaked document seems to suggest that right wing infiltrators (red Tories if you like) into the party did a number on him actively wanting him to lose, was the headlines I seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Did you vote for Ed Milliband?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Who did you vote for in the last two general elections if it wasn't Corbyn?
Already told Trampie keep upQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
You're saying that you voted for Miliband and then Farron and then Swinson? Is that correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars