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29-07-25, 16:57
JamesWales

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You've done exactly that.......... **** me........

I don't deny it! It's proper weird!
29-07-25, 17:11
Tuerto

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I don't deny it! It's proper weird!

It really isn't. It's not like Corbyn and Sultana haven't got a back story. It's not like we have never heard of them. The people who have expressed an interest or who have donated (Me) will have a fair idea of what they will want to achieve, Add to that a right wing Labour party and the rise of far right scare politics, this feels like a natural reaction. It's certainly pleased me, which is no mean feat.
29-07-25, 17:45
Dorcus

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

It really isn't. It's not like Corbyn and Sultana haven't got a back story. It's not like we have never heard of them. The people who have expressed an interest or who have donated (Me) will have a fair idea of what they will want to achieve, Add to that a right wing Labour party and the rise of far right scare politics, this feels like a natural reaction. It's certainly pleased me, which is no mean feat.

It had to come eventually. Enough people are getting fed up of right wing delusion and a so called "Labour" party selling it's soul to the Devil.
29-07-25, 18:36
JamesWales

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

It really isn't. It's not like Corbyn and Sultana haven't got a back story. It's not like we have never heard of them. The people who have expressed an interest or who have donated (Me) will have a fair idea of what they will want to achieve, Add to that a right wing Labour party and the rise of far right scare politics, this feels like a natural reaction. It's certainly pleased me, which is no mean feat.

Fair enough. You definitely would argue very differently in another circumstance.

And what's the far-right you speak of? The BNP had an MEP a couple of decades or so back.
29-07-25, 18:38
JamesWales

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

It had to come eventually. Enough people are getting fed up of right wing delusion and a so called "Labour" party selling it's soul to the Devil.

But how will they make anything work? That's what I want to know. Otherwise it's just populist platitudes. And yes, that same accusation can (and is) thrown at other parties and at any new party but I never see any solutions from the people involved, just pointing to problems

Whats their solutions?
29-07-25, 19:49
Elwood Blues

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No I don't see sign ups as the same as membership - but I would expect the majority of people who signed up to have also made donations (one off or monthly) in addition to giving all their contact details. The new party hasn't been set up and launched yet - so supporter sign ups is all that can be done. The left are often late for the revolution and fail to organise piss ups in breweries, but if this time the people behind this party can get their organisational act together and build a ground operation (which is already in place in parts of the MW, NE and London) it could be a major political force. An actual membership of 400-500,000 would not surprise me.

There are also advanced moves to put together an electoral pact between the Greens, Independents and the new party. Some of the independents are socially conservative - so that may not work for all of them - but some are already in agreement. The model is the New Popular Front in France (an alliance of left parties and individuals) that won the 2024 parliamentary election.

Perhaps to follow our French brethren they should also use the term 'Popular Front

They could have the 'Islington Popular Front'

Or how about annoying the Mayor of London and naming it after where he comes from.......

Tooting!

The Tooting Popular Front.....has a nice ring to it but it rings a bell somehow.

I have got a slogan for them though

'Power to the People'!!!!
29-07-25, 20:10
JamesWales

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Perhaps to follow our French brethren they should also use the term 'Popular Front

They could have the 'Islington Popular Front'

Or how about annoying the Mayor of London and naming it after where he comes from.......

Tooting!

The Tooting Popular Front.....has a nice ring to it but it rings a bell somehow.

I have got a slogan for them though

'Power to the People'!!!!

Power to the people! (Except in referendums the working classes voted for!) ✊
29-07-25, 20:28
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

But how will they make anything work? That's what I want to know. Otherwise it's just populist platitudes. And yes, that same accusation can (and is) thrown at other parties and at any new party but I never see any solutions from the people involved, just pointing to problems

Whats their solutions?

How will Reform make anything work ?

What are their solutions ?

How long can they claim to be a new party and " working " on their policies ?

If thats going to apply to Corbyns lot then it certainly applies to your pin ups

Let's have it
30-07-25, 07:49
Dorcus

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

But how will they make anything work? That's what I want to know. Otherwise it's just populist platitudes. And yes, that same accusation can (and is) thrown at other parties and at any new party but I never see any solutions from the people involved, just pointing to problems

Whats their solutions?

Just relax and wait and see. You might not be able to sabotage things this time.
30-07-25, 16:03
Tuerto

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Just relax and wait and see. You might not be able to sabotage things this time.

In fairness to Jim, he's just concerned about Democracy on a larger scale and how it can affect us all. He's really hoping for some strong policies from this new political party whether he agrees with it or not, because as we know, he's balanced and fair. What a guy......
30-07-25, 16:17
JamesWales

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

In fairness to Jim, he's just concerned about Democracy on a larger scale and how it can affect us all. He's really hoping for some strong policies from this new political party whether he agrees with it or not, because as we know, he's balanced and fair. What a guy......

Absolutely!

I've always said the country should have a democratic left-wing party to represent views held by some within the country 👍

Sultana has now put forward a proposed name; "The Left". Modelled on Germany's "Die Linke" presumably. I do not think it's a good name actually although I suppose it's easy to remember.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2797982.html
30-07-25, 17:12
Dorcus

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Absolutely!

I've always said the country should have a democratic left-wing party to represent views held by some within the country 👍

Sultana has now put forward a proposed name; "The Left". Modelled on Germany's "Die Linke" presumably. I do not think it's a good name actually although I suppose it's easy to remember.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2797982.html

For once I agree with you: "The Left" is a poor choice of name. It will likely alienate at least as many as it will inspire. For what it's worth I think it's about time we had "The Progressive Party". A lot could be built upon it.
30-07-25, 17:31
jon1959

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

For once I agree with you: "The Left" is a poor choice of name. It will likely alienate at least as many as it will inspire. For what it's worth I think it's about time we had "The Progressive Party". A lot could be built upon it.

I agree too. I would rather see something that was a break from the past and reflected the idea of a party 'for the many, not the few'. Something like The People's Party is a bit anodyne, and has been used in some form or other by the populist right as well as the left in other parts of Europe. But it needs to be 'new' and inclusive. It could even drop the word 'party' and use 'movement' or similar - to focus on collective action not just an organisational structure. That would also give a message that the new organisation was not all about elections and officeholding, but also about communal activity, self-help, campaigning, ideas and solutions to local and global problems.
30-07-25, 18:24
JamesWales

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If they are a socialist party, why not call themselves that? I appreciate that the better examples of that have already been taken mind, such as the Socialist Party, Socialist Labour Party (which is a good name).

I don't think progressive is a good term. It's arrogant and it carries with it easy to make accusations when (inevitably) they aren't progressive about something or other. "Progress" however, isn't a bad word for part of a name.

"People's Party" can be a decent name but it's easy to mock too if you are a smaller party and not supported by that many people.

It does make you realize how important a name is.
30-07-25, 18:28
Tuerto

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

For once I agree with you: "The Left" is a poor choice of name. It will likely alienate at least as many as it will inspire. For what it's worth I think it's about time we had "The Progressive Party". A lot could be built upon it.

I agree with Jim as well, it has to be softer than 'The Left' I'd call it 'The Break dance Party'
30-07-25, 18:31
Tuerto

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

If they are a socialist party, why not call themselves that? I appreciate that the better examples of that have already been taken mind, such as the Socialist Party, Socialist Labour Party (which is a good name).

I don't think progressive is a good term. It's arrogant and it carries with it easy to make accusations when (inevitably) they aren't progressive about something or other. "Progress" however, isn't a bad word for part of a name.

"People's Party" can be a decent name but it's easy to mock too if you are a smaller party and not supported by that many people.

It does make you realize how important a name is.

Socialist and Left have been dirtied for many years, even those who don't fully understand the concept could be threatened by those words, that's what we've been fed for a long tme, sadly.
30-07-25, 18:45
cyril evans awaydays

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Socialist and Left have been dirtied for many years, even those who don't fully understand the concept could be threatened by those words, that's what we've been fed for a long tme, sadly.

Reform sounds quite non-threatening and cuddly!
30-07-25, 18:46
JamesWales

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I agree with Jim as well, it has to be softer than 'The Left' I'd call it 'The Break dance Party'

The dinner party? 🤷
30-07-25, 18:47
JamesWales

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Reform sounds quite non-threatening and cuddly!

It's a good name as in one word it says what appeals to many: change.

Its not a good long term name though. What happens if/when they are in power for any time?! Or once things have been reformed?!
30-07-25, 19:35
jon1959

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I agree with Jim as well, it has to be softer than 'The Left' I'd call it 'The Break dance Party'

The Party Party?
31-07-25, 09:30
Dorcus

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Socialist and Left have been dirtied for many years, even those who don't fully understand the concept could be threatened by those words, that's what we've been fed for a long tme, sadly.

Totally agree! People forget were being manipulated by the powers that be. With regard to "The Left", I can see the vested interest that is the right wing media having lots of fun with "The Left behind Party", "The Loony Left Party", "The whatevers Left Party" and things like "The Left back in the dressing room Party" and and so on and on and on...
31-07-25, 09:32
Dorcus

Re: New Party on the Left

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Originally Posted by jon1959

The Party Party?

I thought Boris Johnson and his accolytes had nabbed that one?
01-08-25, 10:17
jon1959

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Over 600,000 sign ups by 2 days ago!

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/07/...rty-in-britain
01-08-25, 10:42
Elwood Blues

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Over 600,000 sign ups by 2 days ago!

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/07/...rty-in-britain

But as you said sign ups are not memberships!

They have not yet as far as I can see released the numbers of those who have actually donated.

Could it be because they are not quite so good?
02-08-25, 07:25
jon1959

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Reform voters prefer Corbyn to Starmer.

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis...dmarsdn8syijsb

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