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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
https://reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/s/H118by8m0I
thought this was interesting, a different perspective than a lot of the stories coming out of the region
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Robin Friday's Ghost
I remember the same being said about ISIS and it was pointed out that they were goading the west into military action as it would create more hostility to the west among the civilian population which would inevitably suffer with any attack. That seems as good an explanation as any for what Hamas did. They must have expected a deadly response but, not only don't they care, but it might actually suit their purpose.
It's safe to assume that Hamas hold their own people in the same high regard they hold the Jewish population.
Netanyahu although not as big of a cuunt than Hamas will fully use Jewish deaths as a reason to do what he's always wanted by bombing and bulldozing Gaza.
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It seems that the Israeli army are amassing on the Gaza border in readiness for a ground attack. If this goes ahead then I assume it will involve house-to-house, street-by-street gun fights with terrified civilians trapped in their homes and with crazed Hamas gunmen using them as human shields. I fear the slaughter will be far greater than anything seen so far.
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the other bob wilson
This subject makes me despair and so I steer clear of threads on it, but, although my natural sympathy is with the Palestinian people, that does not stretch to Hamas who can have no justification for what happened on Saturday. On the other hand, I can't get this feeling out of my mind that elements of the Israeli Government, particularly this Israeli Government, will be relishing what follows the weekend atrocity.
As I say, I despair and the worst thing is that history tells you that anyone who says they have an "oven ready" solution to the whole problem is either a fool or doesn't really understand what's is going on in the middle east.
This. How on earth anyone could deliberately shoot an innocent child/baby is beyond my understanding.
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https://youtu.be/jeNTmRXVMsc?si=mBp1hUFG3t34SM8B
This was Margaret Hodge , labour politican of Jewish origin basically attacking someone for talking about the Palestinian people and apparently denying Israelis the right to defend themselves
Which is not what he did at all
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Gofer Blue
It seems that the Israeli army are amassing on the Gaza border in readiness for a ground attack. If this goes ahead then I assume it will involve house-to-house, street-by-street gun fights with terrified civilians trapped in their homes and with crazed Hamas gunmen using them as human shields. I fear the slaughter will be far greater than anything seen so far.
The slaughter will be horrific many Israeli soldiers will also die
Terrorisism will never be defeated when it's on this scale . It can be controlled and put in a box but it won't be destroyed.
If the Israelis attack it will be out of a understandable sense of revenge .
But a land invasion may only quieten hamas for a while and unless the reasons for its existence are not tackled ......a two state solution or at least greater rights for Palestinians.......then those killed in this military action will be avenged many times over in terrorist attacks on Israel
I would hope that the west are doing everything they can to try and avoid a major confrontation here
However the words of the various leaders seems to be Israel is allowed to defend itself which at some point is just going to make things far worse
Absolute shambles
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The slaughter will be horrific many Israeli soldiers will also die
Terrorisism will never be defeated when it's on this scale . It can be controlled and put in a box but it won't be destroyed.
If the Israelis attack it will be out of a understandable sense of revenge .
But a land invasion may only quieten hamas for a while and unless the reasons for its existence are not tackled ......a two state solution or at least greater rights for Palestinians.......then those killed in this military action will be avenged many times over in terrorist attacks on Israel
I would hope that the west are doing everything they can to try and avoid a major confrontation here
However the words of the various leaders seems to be Israel is allowed to defend itself which at some point is just going to make things far worse
Absolute shambles
what the **** do i know but weren't saudi and Israel close to having a closer relationship ? who wants trouble always ?
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+ the native hipster
what the **** do i know but weren't saudi and Israel close to having a closer relationship ? who wants trouble always ?
It's a sea of snakes at the moment
Just watched some you tube of young London Jewish protestors arguing with young Palestinian youths
Christ
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+ the native hipster
what the **** do i know but weren't saudi and Israel close to having a closer relationship ? who wants trouble always ?
More Sarcasm? Maybe we should have an emoji?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
It's a sea of snakes at the moment
Just watched some you tube of young London Jewish protestors arguing with young Palestinian youths
Christ
you have people like mr dorcus who wants to be the ultimate leftie, celebrating a massacre, call me out if i i have ever celebrated death, that thinking gets people nowhere
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Dorcus
More Sarcasm? Maybe we should have an emoji?
you really dont know anything do you , saudi and isreal were get it on, where is the definition of fascist?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The slaughter will be horrific many Israeli soldiers will also die
Terrorisism will never be defeated when it's on this scale . It can be controlled and put in a box but it won't be destroyed.
If the Israelis attack it will be out of a understandable sense of revenge .
But a land invasion may only quieten hamas for a while and unless the reasons for its existence are not tackled ......a two state solution or at least greater rights for Palestinians.......then those killed in this military action will be avenged many times over in terrorist attacks on Israel
I would hope that the west are doing everything they can to try and avoid a major confrontation here
However the words of the various leaders seems to be Israel is allowed to defend itself which at some point is just going to make things far worse
Absolute shambles
Hamas terror and mass murder has already been followed by another round of Israeli state terror and mass murder before any ground attack - although from a distance so the perpetrators keep their hands 'clean'.
This is collective punishment of an entire trapped people, backed up by a food, water and power blockade that constitutes yet more war crimes. It is clear from the accounts of targets and victims that although some missiles were aimed at Hamas fighters and infrastructure, most was either indiscriminate or deliberately aimed at hospitals, mosques, shelters and the basic necessities for civilian life.
But there will be no Palestinian flags projected onto Downing Street or the White House as a sign of solidarity with innocent victims!
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jon1959
Hamas terror and mass murder has already been followed by another round of Israeli state terror and mass murder before any ground attack - although from a distance so the perpetrators keep their hands 'clean'.
This is collective punishment of an entire trapped people, backed up by a food, water and power blockade that constitutes yet more war crimes. It is clear from the accounts of targets and victims that although some missiles were aimed at Hamas fighters and infrastructure, most was either indiscriminate or deliberately aimed at hospitals, mosques, shelters and the basic necessities for civilian life.
But there will be no Palestinian flags projected onto Downing Street or the White House as a sign of solidarity with innocent victims!
Did you see the footage of some of the bombed areas of gaza ?
Absolute obliteration
No sense of stray missiles taking out civilians , the Israelis are basically flattening civilians on a journey of killing terrorists
It's appalling
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This feels like Iraq and Afghanistan all over again. British politicians and media are falling over themselves to justify war crimes e.g cutting off water, energy, food and killing civilians.
As a species we are incapable of learning.
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Doucas
This feels like Iraq and Afghanistan all over again. British politicians and media are falling over themselves to justify war crimes e.g cutting off water, energy, food and killing civilians.
As a species we are incapable of learning.
That's exactly what a few callers on radio 5 were saying tonight
Israel seems to be going full speed into slaughter , its insanity and its going to be disastrous
Russia attacks Ukraine and they are monsters and we have food collections and invite their president over
The Palestinians in Gaza are caught in the middle between hamas and the Israelis
Not only are they not getting invites to meet Sunak they are also getting bombed and being starved out
Jesus wept
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An Israeli journalist put it well this morning on Radio 5 when he said if you keep people in what are, effectively, cages for decades what results shouldn't come as a shock - Kay Burley on Sky would interpret that as someone saying the Israelis had it coming, but it's not, it's just a very tragic example of cause and effect.
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the other bob wilson
An Israeli journalist put it well this morning on Radio 5 when he said if you keep people in what are, effectively, cages for decades what results shouldn't come as a shock - Kay Burley on Sky would interpret that as someone saying the Israelis had it coming, but it's not, it's just a very tragic example of cause and effect.
Kay Burley is an utter xxxx
She's a rank amateur and I am amazed she hasn't been sacked
How has she made a career out of what she does ?
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I do wonder what Israel's end goal is here. I have no time for the Palestine flag waving crowd, I think Hamas's slaughter last week was an utter atrocity from which Israel has a right to respond to.
But they know they can't simply bomb the place away, don't they? I assume it's an attempt to demonstrate punishment such that people turn their backs on Hamas. But how do they do that and demonstrate that?
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JamesWales
I do wonder what Israel's end goal is here. I have no time for the Palestine flag waving crowd, I think Hamas's slaughter last week was an utter atrocity from which Israel has a right to respond to.
But they know they can't simply bomb the place away, don't they? I assume it's an attempt to demonstrate punishment such that people turn their backs on Hamas. But how do they do that and demonstrate that?
They are losing the plot
It's incredible how the west is always talking about negotiations and peace talks yet its almost saying oh go ahead , bomb away before Israel and its allies stop and think
There has to be some sort of response but you don't stop terrorism by killing innocent people that just creates martyrs
Lyse Dousett is on Radio 5 , an incredibly experienced and balanced reporter , like Jeremy Bowen and it appears there may be moves to try and avert this madness
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JamesWales
I do wonder what Israel's end goal is here. I have no time for the Palestine flag waving crowd, I think Hamas's slaughter last week was an utter atrocity from which Israel has a right to respond to.
But they know they can't simply bomb the place away, don't they? I assume it's an attempt to demonstrate punishment such that people turn their backs on Hamas. But how do they do that and demonstrate that?
They know they can't bomb the problem away but they are going to anyway
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SLUDGE FACTORY
They know they can't bomb the problem away but they are going to anyway
No utilities until hostages freed. I guess they are pushing that route first
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the other bob wilson
An Israeli journalist put it well this morning on Radio 5 when he said if you keep people in what are, effectively, cages for decades what results shouldn't come as a shock - Kay Burley on Sky would interpret that as someone saying the Israelis had it coming, but it's not, it's just a very tragic example of cause and effect.
What I see is some people celebrating that a certain type of person has been executed, from the other side I dont see them celebrating that a person has been killed.
I know there are lots of international peace negotiators on here, maybe Sludge and Dorcas and others could offer their services and help us all out to resolve the situation, if they have time - obviously.
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JamesWales
No utilities until hostages freed. I guess they are pushing that route first
Who said
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Who said
I would have thought as an international peace negotiator from Cowbridge you could have worked that one out yourself.
I dont even think they will enter Gaza (my opinion). They will just flatten most of it, cut everything off - and then see what happens next. Hamas need to look after and feed their people. As it stands - they are being taken back to medieval times - which is not the outcome they would have wanted.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Who said
"Humanitarian aid to Gaza? No electrical switch will be turned on, no water hydrant will be opened and no fuel truck will enter until the Israeli abductees are returned home,'
Humanitarian for humanitarian. And no one will preach us morals"
Israel Katz - Israel Energy Minister
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+ the native hipster
you have people like mr dorcus who wants to be the ultimate leftie, celebrating a massacre, call me out if i i have ever celebrated death, that thinking gets people nowhere
You obviously can't read very well can you? Clearly that's why you understand zilch about fascism.
Far from celebrating any massacre I have openly condemned the kidnap and slaughter of innocents on both sides. I deplore the initial Hamas action as much as the retaliatory Israeli ones. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
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Dorcus
You obviously can't read very well can you? Clearly that's why you understand zilch about fascism.
Far from celebrating any massacre I have openly condemned the kidnap and slaughter of innocents on both sides. I deplore the initial Hamas action as much as the retaliatory Israeli ones. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
From what I have seen - the only people celebrating are those that support Palestine . The flag waving in London, the woman caught on camera asking a Jewish man - are all your people dead etc. Corbyn unable to condemn Hamas etc.
Whether they are socialist / left wing / activists one could only guess
I havent seen any jewish / israeli's jumping up and down celebrating the destruction of Gaza.
What I have seen is a lot of 'whatabboutism' from people unable to accept that Hamas have done this.
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pipster
From what I have seen - the only people celebrating are those that support Palestine . The flag waving in London, the woman caught on camera asking a Jewish man - are all your people dead etc. Corbyn unable to condemn Hamas etc.
Whether they are socialist / left wing / activists one could only guess
I havent seen any jewish / israeli's jumping up and down celebrating the destruction of Gaza.
What I have seen is a lot of 'whatabboutism' from people unable to accept that Hamas have done this.
I thought you and "Hip" were one and the same all along. How many other multi guises do you have?
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pipster
From what I have seen - the only people celebrating are those that support Palestine . The flag waving in London, the woman caught on camera asking a Jewish man - are all your people dead etc. Corbyn unable to condemn Hamas etc.
Whether they are socialist / left wing / activists one could only guess
I havent seen any jewish / israeli's jumping up and down celebrating the destruction of Gaza.
What I have seen is a lot of 'whatabboutism' from people unable to accept that Hamas have done this.
Well I think you can clearly see from my original reply to you that I for one have condemned the leadership on both sides. By the way it might have escaped your notice but Jeremy Corbyn is no longer Labour leader. We are well aware of your right wing myopic stance to everything; you really don't need to constantly remind us.
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Dorcus
I thought you and "Hip" were one and the same all along. How many other multi guises do you have?
That old one again - simple - go and ask Mike to get the ip addresses.
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pipster
That old one again - simple - go and ask Mike to get the ip addresses.
Surely everyone knows by now that this proves nothing. You don't even have to be at all tech savvy, just post from a mobile and a laptop with different log-ins.
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Tbf to Sludge and Dorcus, whom I often disagree with, I think they have been very fair here and rightly condemning the atrocities whilst also highlighting the futility of going in all hung ho.
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JamesWales
Tbf to Sludge and Dorcus, whom I often disagree with, I think they have been very fair here and rightly condemning the atrocities whilst also highlighting the futility of going in all hung ho.
I dont think anyone wants to see atrocities - on any side. There was always going to be a massive response from Israel.
Maybe they should have just shut all the water , power, fuel off - and not dropped any bombs.
But - it's a war now - Hamas have started it by doing what they did on Saturday - war crimes. Israel is paying back with interest. Neither side will back down, Hamas will end up being the cause of far many more Palestinian deaths than the Isareli bombs.
Sludge and Dorcas should offer their services international peace negotiators
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lardy
Surely everyone knows by now that this proves nothing. You don't even have to be at all tech savvy, just post from a mobile and a laptop with different log-ins.
****ing hell, considering the importance of this thread , you’re still harping on about multiple accounts , are you all there?
As another poster said, just because a few poster’s opinions differ to others doesn’t necessarily imply that they are multiple accounts. Don’t flatter yourself spa.
Boring ****
FWIW it’s a tragedy on both sides , just like Yemen,Iraq, Ukraine ( getting pummelled)etc.
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Israel is again using it usual tactic of attacking the Palestinian people on mass with massive force in its revenge for the barbarous Hamas attack.
Israel's actions has always laid the ground work for the creation of even greater foes. In the early 1980’s they invaded Lebanon to cleanse it of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). Initially the Shite population went along with it but after years of occupation and brutality against the local population they started to rise up. This was the creation of Hezbollah. They eventually forced them to retreat from Lebanon after suffering very high casualty levels. Hezbollah are now Israel's most dangerous enemy, created by by their own hubris. If they had not invaded Lebanon there would be no Hezbollah.
In the late 1970’s Israel funded a small fringe Islamic group, who had little support amongst the Palestinian people to act as a counter weight against the secular PLO. This group had little traction until they were funded by the Israelis. This group was Hamas. So by refusing to deal with the PLO and trying to play them against another Palestinian group, they created something even worse.
If they invade Gaza and kill every Hamas member, the level of slaughter and destruction wrought will be massive. The anger and hatred this will generate will produce an even worse enemy for Israel as history has shown.
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It's difficult not to form the opinion that a butchered child and mother in a residential suburb in Israel is given a higher 'status' than the same in a crumbling tower block in Gaza.
The recent events in Israel are beyond evil, but the wicked Hamas terrorists have their counterparts in the Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel.
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TWGL1
****ing hell, considering the importance of this thread , you’re still harping on about multiple accounts , are you all there?
As another poster said, just because a few poster’s opinions differ to others doesn’t necessarily imply that they are multiple accounts. Don’t flatter yourself spa.
Boring ****
FWIW it’s a tragedy on both sides , just like Yemen,Iraq, Ukraine ( getting pummelled)etc.
Not sure why this triggered you, but just an innocent comment on IP addresses (that two other posters had brought up in the thread before me).
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79blue
Israel is again using it usual tactic of attacking the Palestinian people on mass with massive force in its revenge for the barbarous Hamas attack.
Israel's actions has always laid the ground work for the creation of even greater foes. In the early 1980’s they invaded Lebanon to cleanse it of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). Initially the Shite population went along with it but after years of occupation and brutality against the local population they started to rise up. This was the creation of Hezbollah. They eventually forced them to retreat from Lebanon after suffering very high casualty levels. Hezbollah are now Israel's most dangerous enemy, created by by their own hubris. If they had not invaded Lebanon there would be no Hezbollah.
In the late 1970’s Israel funded a small fringe Islamic group, who had little support amongst the Palestinian people to act as a counter weight against the secular PLO. This group had little traction until they were funded by the Israelis. This group was Hamas. So by refusing to deal with the PLO and trying to play them against another Palestinian group, they created something even worse.
If they invade Gaza and kill every Hamas member, the level of slaughter and destruction wrought will be massive. The anger and hatred this will generate will produce an even worse enemy for Israel as history has shown.
You need to send a copy of that to
Kay Burley
Complete jellyhead
Sky News
London
I can't believe they are letting her in the studio at this time , she's an absolute fruitcake
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A Quiet Monkfish
It's difficult not to form the opinion that a butchered child and mother in a residential suburb in Israel is given a higher 'status' than the same in a crumbling tower block in Gaza.
The recent events in Israel are beyond evil, but the wicked Hamas terrorists have their counterparts in the Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel.
There no doubt about that
It's one way traffic
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https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/...LhmySD2aRt-GNg
European Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen condemned Putin's attack on Ukraine's electrical infrastructure last year.
However, she is currently supporting Israel's decision to impose a complete blockade on Gaza, depriving its residents of essential necessities such as food, water, fuel, and electricity.