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It’s mad that even Dominic Cummings gets a ****ing defence task force on here :hehe:
One of the most loathsome individuals in politics and there’s still a group who will defend his indefensible actions.
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Based on their statements so far the government stance on that would be that the parents weren't 'concerned' enough and those who have died weren't 'fighters' like are brave Boris.
Tone deaf scum is too kind a description at this point.
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His stuttering and weak defence of Cummings over the last couple of days clearly shows they’re just hoping a sheer lack of shame will see them through it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Grant Shapps: "We've never told people where they have to specifically locate themselves."<br>Really? I feel like the phrase "stay home" might have come up.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marr?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Marr</a> <a href="https://t.co/V2OSspKMcc">pic.twitter.com/V2OSspKMcc</a></p>— Femi (@Femi_Sorry) <a href="https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1264484937518002176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Baloo
His stuttering and weak defence of Cummings over the last couple of days clearly shows they’re just hoping a sheer lack of shame will see them through it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Grant Shapps: "We've never told people where they have to specifically locate themselves."<br>Really? I feel like the phrase "stay home" might have come up.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marr?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Marr</a> <a href="https://t.co/V2OSspKMcc">pic.twitter.com/V2OSspKMcc</a></p>— Femi (@Femi_Sorry) <a href="https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1264484937518002176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I don't think it will this time. Hopefully the grilling continues and every party political broadcast, sorry I mean daily briefing, becomes unbearable for them. I don't particularly give two hoots about what Cummings did but it scares me how many reputations they are willing to burn to keep him in a job, what the hell is going on?
I have a serious dislike for Grant Shapps (he is a MP in a local seat to me) but he deserves a very large Sunday afternoon drink after being thrown to the wolves like this. Where is Boris, or even Gove? Cummings is there because of them.
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His time is it was up and may have been planned for a while , he was always a short sharp shock appointee, last week lots of changes were going on behind the scenes , appointments within the background mechanism of government . I now wonder if he was ousted from within as he has lots of enemies , Boris has yet to speak, he's just be quoted as nos 10 says.
Political house of cards moment approaches
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So Cummings’s self isolates 250 miles away to be near his family so his sister and niece can leave groceries on his doorstep. Surly his chum Boris could have organised a Sainsbury’s slot for him.
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I don't think it will this time. Hopefully the grilling continues and every party political broadcast, sorry I mean daily briefing, becomes unbearable for them. I don't particularly give two hoots about what Cummings did but it scares me how many reputations they are willing to burn to keep him in a job, what the hell is going on?
I think Cummings is effectively the de facto Deputy Prime Minister and Johnson will be utterly knackered without him.
Conservative MP Steve Baker revealed today that the 'Stay At Home - Protect the NHS - Save Lives' slogans were dreamed up by Cummings, which is no great surprise. More than a little ironic, though.
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Whisperer
So Cummings’s self isolates 250 miles away to be near his family so his sister and niece can leave groceries on his doorstep. Surly his chum Boris could have organised a Sainsbury’s slot for him.
One would also have assumed that his brother-in-law, who lives nearby in London, could have performed a similar function.
What a coincidence that Cummings was in Durham for his mother's birthday and out and about on his wife's birthday.
I was sat in the flat on mine.
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Baloo
His stuttering and weak defence of Cummings over the last couple of days clearly shows they’re just hoping a sheer lack of shame will see them through it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Grant Shapps: "We've never told people where they have to specifically locate themselves."<br>Really? I feel like the phrase "stay home" might have come up.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marr?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Marr</a> <a href="https://t.co/V2OSspKMcc">pic.twitter.com/V2OSspKMcc</a></p>— Femi (@Femi_Sorry) <a href="https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1264484937518002176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What a complete shithouse he is
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One would also have assumed that his brother-in-law, who lives nearby in London, could have performed a similar function.
What a coincidence that Cummings was in Durham for his mother's birthday and out and about on his wife's birthday.
I was sat in the flat on mine.
To be fair you spend every birthday on your own in your flat
It's got nothing to do with self isolation
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I think Cummings is effectively the de facto Deputy Prime Minister and Johnson will be utterly knackered without him.
Conservative MP Steve Baker revealed today that the 'Stay At Home - Protect the NHS - Save Lives' slogans were dreamed up by Cummings, which is no great surprise. More than a little ironic, though.
That's the nub of it isn't it. I think Cummings has to go, but what this lot will be like without him doesn't bear thinking about.
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That's the nub of it isn't it. I think Cummings has to go, but what this lot will be like without him doesn't bear thinking about.
Isn't that a double negative? :hehe:
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That's the nub of it isn't it. I think Cummings has to go, but what this lot will be like without him doesn't bear thinking about.
For some reason, losing Cummings appears to be scarier to the Tories than losing another 20,000 people in a second spike as people start saying "bollocks" to the only effective tool we have against the spread of the disease - and that is restrictive movement.
So, the Tories are faced with a choice. Defend Cummings, make their vague "stay home/ stay alert" message even vaguer in defence of the man who won them a Brexit (through lies) and an election, or dump the man and reassert the message. I wonder which route the self serving Tory party are taking today?
They have zero credibility, but being a typical Tory Government, that doesn't really matter to them.
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I wonder if stay home was changed to stay alert because they knew he's broken the stay home message so many times and it was always going to come out.
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Today's briefing delayed until five and a couple of police officers have called at Dominic Cummings' house, but there was no answer - if I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say this was very significant.
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the other bob wilson
Today's briefing delayed until five and a couple of police officers have called at Dominic Cummings' house, but there was no answer - if I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say this was very significant.
He won't know if he is Cummings or Goings. Is the extra time to allow Johnson to get out of whatever bed he's spent the day in?
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a couple of police officers have called at Dominic Cummings' house, but there was no answer
Surely the police now know that's the last place you would expect to find him
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Surely the police now know that's the last place you would expect to find him
He's been in downing street for the last 5 hours, it was just this minute on BBC news :hehe:
Maybe the Police should check with the BBC about all the other people they'd like to talk to ? lol
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He's been in downing street for the last 5 hours, it was just this minute on BBC news :hehe:
Maybe the Police should check with the BBC about all the other people they'd like to talk to ? lol
Damn the BBC for reporting facts. It'll never do.
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Damn the BBC for reporting facts. It'll never do.
It wouldn't have happened in Chamberlain's day.
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It wouldn't have happened in Chamberlain's day.
Yes, you may well be right. If you send me a link I can read it myself and make my own mind up.
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Today's briefing delayed until five and a couple of police officers have called at Dominic Cummings' house, but there was no answer - if I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say this was very significant.
Boris is doing the briefing as well.
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Yes, you may well be right. If you send me a link I can read it myself and make my own mind up.
I sent you a reference.
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Boris is doing the briefing as well.
If Cummings can get him out of the cupboard!
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Boris is doing the briefing as well.
But Sundays are for shagging.
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Apparantly a man who look like Cummins was seen at Barnard Castle 30 miles from Durham with a woman and child.
The guy who saw him is a retired professional.
Apparently he made a note of the number plate. Interesting.
I wonder what will be in the newspapers tomorrow.
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Apparantly a man who look like Cummins was seen at Barnard Castle 30 miles from Durham with a woman and child.
The guy who saw him is a retired professional.
Apparently he made a note of the number plate. Interesting.
I wonder what will be in the newspapers tomorrow.
Sky are saying the number plate he wrote down matches a car used previously by DC.
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Baloo
Sky are saying the number plate he wrote down matches a car used previously by DC.
I'm a sceptic. If he thought that why didn't it come into the public domain at the time? Maybe he was 'reminded' of the number plate he saw later. Not a defence of him, I think he's a scummer, but I don't have any great faith in newspapers with a political axe to grind who ask thousands of people until they find one who 'remember's something that the paper may then pay to publish. I don't mean just in this case but very often for all kinds of reasons.
That said, I think Cummins should be sacked anyway, just for being himself, let alone doing anything so wrong and stupid.
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Judging by everyone's refusal to answer when Johnson knew about Cummings' jaunt up north (including BJ himself today), that just screams that he knew from the beginning.
If that's the case - he can't fire Cummings because he'd be just as liable for allowing it to happen.
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I'm a sceptic. If he thought that why didn't it come into the public domain at the time? Maybe he was 'reminded' of the number plate he saw later. Not a defence of him, I think he's a scummer, but I don't have any great faith in newspapers with a political axe to grind who ask thousands of people until they find one who 'remember's something that the paper may then pay to publish. I don't mean just in this case but very often for all kinds of reasons.
That said, I think Cummins should be sacked anyway, just for being himself, let alone doing anything so wrong and stupid.
Apparently, The Mirror and The Guardian have been working on the story since from the start. It's just broken this weekend because of their fact checking, speaking to witnesses etc. It's only been a month, xsnaggle... Some stories take a year or more before they break.
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xsnaggle
I'm a sceptic. If he thought that why didn't it come into the public domain at the time? Maybe he was 'reminded' of the number plate he saw later. Not a defence of him, I think he's a scummer, but I don't have any great faith in newspapers with a political axe to grind who ask thousands of people until they find one who 'remember's something that the paper may then pay to publish. I don't mean just in this case but very often for all kinds of reasons.
That said, I think Cummins should be sacked anyway, just for being himself, let alone doing anything so wrong and stupid.
I agree , the way he dealt with fair questioning by the press outside his house showed arrogance and contempt for everyone
I would sack him for that alone
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xsnaggle
I'm a sceptic. If he thought that why didn't it come into the public domain at the time? Maybe he was 'reminded' of the number plate he saw later. Not a defence of him, I think he's a scummer, but I don't have any great faith in newspapers with a political axe to grind who ask thousands of people until they find one who 'remember's something that the paper may then pay to publish. I don't mean just in this case but very often for all kinds of reasons.
That said, I think Cummins should be sacked anyway, just for being himself, let alone doing anything so wrong and stupid.
I read he has it in his search history. But probably best to wait and see. Just blaming media campaigning is an old Trump trick. I think this has public interest given the sacrifices people have been told to make. But let’s find out what the facts are first.
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I agree , the way he dealt with fair questioning by the press outside his house showed arrogance and contempt for everyone
I would sack him for that alone
I don't think you can sack someone for supposedly being arrogant. Being hounded by the press like him, I might be the same.
On 23 March Boris gave his stay at home message. On 24 March Dr Harries, deputy chief medical officer, was asked a question by the press regarding what parents should do should do if they show symptoms and need childcare.
The answer was very much in line with what Dominic Cummings did, ie it was a reasonable excuse to visit family.
So maybe Boris is right in defending his actions
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I don't think you can sack someone for supposedly being arrogant. Being hounded by the press like him, I might be the same.
On 23 March Boris gave his stay at home message. On 24 March Dr Harries, deputy chief medical officer, was asked a question by the press regarding what parents should do should do if they show symptoms and need childcare.
The answer was very much in line with what Dominic Cummings did, ie it was a reasonable excuse to visit family.
So maybe Boris is right in defending his actions
Harries spoke about parents not being able to provide care and seeking help. I believe The Cummins’ were able to look after their child throughout.
Surely every family where a member had symptoms potentially faced the prospect of not being able to provide care for young children depending on how the disease evolved. Fortunately it seems most cases are mild to moderate which is presumably why the government told people to stay at home as they thought most could cope.
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Baloo
Harries spoke about parents not being able to provide care and seeking help. I believe The Cummins’ were able to look after their child throughout.
Surely every family where a member had symptoms potentially faced the prospect of not being able to provide care for young children depending on how the disease evolved. Fortunately it seems most cases are mild to moderate which is presumably why the government told people to stay at home as they thought most could cope.
I understand this can be a nasty disease and floors some people even worse than flu. So if I had a wife with it and was showing symptoms myself I'd be very concerned for my young child and my first port of call would be my parents or in laws.
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Apparently, The Mirror and The Guardian have been working on the story since from the start. It's just broken this weekend because of their fact checking, speaking to witnesses etc. It's only been a month, xsnaggle... Some stories take a year or more before they break.
I do realise that. But the longer these things take the more they appear to be 'manufactured' rather than a member of the public with just concerns going public as soon as he or she sees something wrong. Does it mean that the papers in question were suppressing the thing until it suited their bigger agenda?
None of which excuses him of course it just makes it smell a bit more politically motivated.
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lisvaneblue
I understand this can be a nasty disease and floors some people even worse than flu. So if I had a wife with it and was showing symptoms myself I'd be very concerned for my young child and my first port of call would be my parents or in laws.
You really shouldn’t expose your parents or in laws to this virus.
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lisvaneblue
I understand this can be a nasty disease and floors some people even worse than flu. So if I had a wife with it and was showing symptoms myself I'd be very concerned for my young child and my first port of call would be my parents or in laws.
So youd put a 4 year old in the car with 2 of you with coronavirus and drive to the elderly in laws or parents 260 miles away.
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The hoops xsnaggle and lisvaneblue are junmping through your defend a **** like Cummings is admirable in its absurdity.
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Boris is showing loyalty for what Cummings delivered for him , as a friend he's stating loyality , whilst others whisper in Dominic's ear to resign quietly .
House of Cards stuff .
I seem to remember Alistair Campbell delightful moments , and calls for his resignation , Campbell and Cummings are cut from the same cloth .
Oh if I had the same power, money , ability , I'd have done the same as Cummings and scarparped to a rural virus free world for my family .
Doesnt make it right just a self preservation thingy .