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Originally Posted by saganspirit wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 13:19

This thread does show the rebrand has affected some people so much they can't ever look at anything objectively again.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 13:16

It's a shame what the rebrand done, I understand why people would be turned off the club but to be so filled with bile you laugh at the club and its supporters at every opportunity is beyond the pale imo.

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Originally Posted by ★★★★★★★★ wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 11:40

Of course you're right with your objectivity comment, but I get more of a laugh out of the fact that the guy you're referring to just can't let it go.

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On genuine reflection you are absolutely right, and I sincerely apologise.

Much better than the last badge. I was expecting much worse so quite happy with it. Onwards and Upwards. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

Much better than that Sam hammam monstrosity of a badge

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 13:17

To be honest, all of our badges apart from this one have been shite imho

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:29

http://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/shirts/25/cardiff-city- home-football-shirt-1969-1970-s_33753_1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:24

Yeah but if they had unveiled that today TVB would have said it was a shite cut and paste, TLG would found it a "hilarious" attempt to appease the sheeple and TBG would have said the wings are too detailed for printing or something.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:19

The printing aspect is less of a problem these days - as printing machines are far more sophisticated in the days of yore (when I spent a few years in the printing industry).

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:14

However, with my TM/logo hat on I would say that it is not uncommon when designing logos for different versions to be designs so that the level of detail is different when used at different scales. However, what you don't do is have the smallest image with a great level of detail - as that detail gets lost, as I have related in another post.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:09

I hope that you find my comments acceptable for thread discussing the design of a logo.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 11:58

Yeah well if you absolutely have to find a way to avoid saying anything positive then pointing out the level of detail is as good as any.

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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 11:55

Grow up, CC. I made a valid point that is well-known in the world of logo designing.

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Thanks for the lossless guarantee but it's about perception by the human eye and not the ability for modern technology to reproduce things in miniature. (I worked on products in vector format for ten years so I am not totally unaware of the concept).

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 10:04

The guff regarding the new badge on the official website is hilarious, as well as being historically inaccurate.

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Out of interest what is historically inaccurate?

Does anyone think this badge is the final design? Just wondering if the club will now see what everyone's opinion is and act accordingly. For me the badge is just alright. It could be a lot better but it could also be a lot worse. I have no real problem with the concept of an oriental dragon but the one on the badge is something of nothing. It's too small, unrecognisable as a dragon and just looks like an after thought. If they are going to have the dragon they need to improve on it because at the moment it just looks like an earwig. They'd be better of ditching the earwig and just have a welsh dragon, that would look a lot better. If they are going to a have a dragon I think it needs to be a little bit bigger because you can't really see what it is. I hate designers that are afraid of their own design! If you want a dragon at least do it justice otherwise just get rid of it.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 11:37

Stop picking on me, you nasty people. I've said I like the new badge! The red wriggly worm is a great addition. Symbolic in every sense. So stop being so mean.

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Who is picking on you?You would make a good journalist-just like Steve Tucker!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/tong.gif

I do think this is a lovely badge

http://picpaste.com/pics/cardiff-cit...1425911457.jpg

I like the simplicity. I don't like the salamander. I just read this whole thread :(

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Originally Posted by PoOH wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:22

The guff regarding the new badge on the official website is hilarious, as well as being historically inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 10:04

The funniest part is where they claim the little red squiggly thing at the bottom of the badge has been "integral to the Welsh capital for over one hundred years."

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Cardiff hasn't been a Capital for 100 years it has only been Capital since 1955 so 60 years(I'm assuming that's the bit he is on about )

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Originally Posted by PoOH wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:22

Out of interest what is historically inaccurate?

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Thirdly, there is no evidence that Riverside were playing in brown and amber when the change to Cardiff City occurred. On the contrary, the very limited photographic evidence from that period suggests that they were playing in the same strip as Cardiff City from around 1900 onwards.

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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:29

Who is picking on you?

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Nasty people like you.

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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:26

Does anyone think this badge is the final design? Just wondering if the club will now see what everyone's opinion is and act accordingly. For me the badge is just alright. It could be a lot better but it could also be a lot worse. I have no real problem with the concept of an oriental dragon but the one on the badge is something of nothing. It's too small, unrecognisable as a dragon and just looks like an after thought. If they are going to have the dragon they need to improve on it because at the moment it just looks like an earwig. They'd be better of ditching the earwig and just have a welsh dragon, that would look a lot better. If they are going to a have a dragon I think it needs to be a little bit bigger because you can't really see what it is. I hate designers that are afraid of their own design! If you want a dragon at least do it justice otherwise just get rid of it.

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Not sure but personally if I was to change it then I would have a yellow border instead of the red border and maybe move the ribbon to the top and have another ribbon at the bottom saying "BlueBirds"

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:50

Who is picking on you?

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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:29

Nasty people like you.

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Ah! Bless http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:49

Out of interest what is historically inaccurate?

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Originally Posted by PoOH wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:22

The piece reads:

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The play was written in 1909 - it didnt appear in the New Theatre until October 1911

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Originally Posted by The Bloop wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:07

Out of interest what is historically inaccurate?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:49

The piece reads:

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Originally Posted by PoOH wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:22

"Synonymous with Cardiff City FC, the Bluebird is key to our identity and has been our proud nickname for over one hundred years. Originally linked to critically acclaimed play 'The Bluebird' by Belgian playwright Maurice Maeterlinck in 1909, a successful New Theatre run led to supporters adopting the nickname in connection to our change from 'Riverside FC brown and amber' to 'Cardiff City AFC blue' in 1908."

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I find TLG's historical inaccuracy hilarious.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:07

The play was written in 1909 - it didnt appear in the New Theatre until October 1911

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That may be correct - I can't remember the exact dates and haven't got the research notes with me, but the point remains the same - there is no evidence linking the play to the club's nickname.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:11

I find TLG's historical inaccuracy hilarious.

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Which historical inaccuracy?

It's inoffensive. We have a blue kit and a bluebird badge and it's not at all bad. No doubt some will moan but it could have been a lot worse.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:13

The play was written in 1909 - it didnt appear in the New Theatre until October 1911

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Originally Posted by The Bloop wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:07

That may be correct - I can't remember the exact dates and haven't got the research notes with me, but the point remains the same - there is no evidence linking the play to the club's nickname.

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Similarly, there is no 'evidence' of the Ayatollah gesture being connected to Cardiff City - the use of it on the terraces has created the link, and now the lovely white seats in the new stand are a symbol of that link.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:25

I agree - there isn't, but what evidence could there be? If a fan who witnessed the play, the following day went to watch the football and made the link, then the link spread around the terracing, to such an extent that it became the norm, then does that constitute it being evidence, just because of mass use?

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I believe it was Grahame Lloyd who first suggested the link to the play in his 1999 centenary book 'C'mon City', but even he admits in the text that there is no real evidence of it.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:19

Thanks for the lossless guarantee but it's about perception by the human eye and not the ability for modern technology to reproduce things in miniature. (I worked on products in vector format for ten years so I am not totally unaware of the concept).

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And thanks for your usual sarcasm. You're talking utter nonsense TBG which you don't normally do, but you really are talking out of your arse here. I really doubt you actually had ten years worth of experience with vector files as you'd know the quality doesn't change no matter what the size. To then change what you're saying to be that it's about perception of the human eye is nonsense. Where exactly are you imagining the badge so small that it will lose all this detail?? You're actually making issue where there just isn't anything wrong

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:53

Thanks for the lossless guarantee but it's about perception by the human eye and not the ability for modern technology to reproduce things in miniature. (I worked on products in vector format for ten years so I am not totally unaware of the concept).

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:19

And thanks for your usual sarcasm. You're talking utter nonsense TBG which you don't normally do, but you really are talking out of your arse here. I really doubt you actually had ten years worth of experience with vector files as you'd know the quality doesn't change no matter what the size. To then change what you're saying to be that it's about perception of the human eye is nonsense. Where exactly are you imagining the badge so small that it will lose all this detail?? You're actually making issue where there just isn't anything wrong

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I think it is this he is getting at, not the ability to print at the finer detail.

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Originally Posted by Penarth Blues wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:57

Thanks for the lossless guarantee but it's about perception by the human eye and not the ability for modern technology to reproduce things in miniature. (I worked on products in vector format for ten years so I am not totally unaware of the concept).

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:53

And thanks for your usual sarcasm. You're talking utter nonsense TBG which you don't normally do, but you really are talking out of your arse here. I really doubt you actually had ten years worth of experience with vector files as you'd know the quality doesn't change no matter what the size. To then change what you're saying to be that it's about perception of the human eye is nonsense. Where exactly are you imagining the badge so small that it will lose all this detail?? You're actually making issue where there just isn't anything wrong

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:19

In TBG's defence the eye can only resolve a certain amount of detail. So the further you are from something the harder it is to see fine detail - hence why 4K TV's aren't much improvement over 1080P TV's unless you are sat on top of them where you can see the pixels on the 1080P TV.

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I get this is what he's getting at, but how is this dragon any different on the human eye than the old dragon & leek? It's just petty criticism

How long before someone postulates that tan has made the dragon too small on purpose, so that when the next badge is unveiled with a great big dragon it will just be reacting to complaints it was too small.

It's amateurish but maybe that's not really surprising...

Judging a badge as less bad than the last pitiful offering seems a continuation of the race to the bottom that the club is currently engaged in.

A new badge created with fan consultation offered a great PR opportunity for the man with the iron grip on the club. An open goal, if you like. An open goal that Tan clearly had no intention of taking.

It would have been so easy to predict which posters wouldn't see the positive features of this new badge.

In terms of design it is an embarrassment.

The banner with Cardiff City on looks so out of place too!

Someone has spent 5 minutes creating that, tops.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:05

It would have been so easy to predict which posters wouldn't see the positive features of this new badge.

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Did the bloke running the club miss a great PR chance after the rebrand disaster by not involving the supporters input in designing the new badge? Hell, yeah.

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Originally Posted by Delbert wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 09:17

Tan just won't learn. The owner of a football club is merely the temporary custodian, and has no business in trashing the club traditions with personal vanity projects. The Chinese dragon looks ridiculous, a symbol of the megalomania of one man.

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It is simplistic, but what is that scribble at the bottom? It looks silly. It is supposed to represent Wales and the city of Cardiff (according to club website). It's certainly not a Welsh dragon - one of the main characteristics of a Welsh dragon, and a difference between Eastern and Western dragons, is that it has wings.

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Originally Posted by 14TheFuture wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:05

In terms of design it is an embarrassment.

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What experience do you have in design?

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Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:16

It would have been so easy to predict which posters wouldn't see the positive features of this new badge.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:05

If you're referring to me, ok, I'll give you a positive - it's got a big fcuk off bluebird on it and that's a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

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Didn't dai hunt take a load of badge designs round to the club a few months ago. That may have been enough to put them off the idea.

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:53

Thanks for the lossless guarantee but it's about perception by the human eye and not the ability for modern technology to reproduce things in miniature. (I worked on products in vector format for ten years so I am not totally unaware of the concept).

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:19

And thanks for your usual sarcasm. You're talking utter nonsense TBG which you don't normally do, but you really are talking out of your arse here. I really doubt you actually had ten years worth of experience with vector files as you'd know the quality doesn't change no matter what the size. To then change what you're saying to be that it's about perception of the human eye is nonsense. Where exactly are you imagining the badge so small that it will lose all this detail?? You're actually making issue where there just isn't anything wrong

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Still, you know it all and I'm talking out of my arse.

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Originally Posted by Farmer Giles wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:16

Tan just won't learn. The owner of a football club is merely the temporary custodian, and has no business in trashing the club traditions with personal vanity projects. The Chinese dragon looks ridiculous, a symbol of the megalomania of one man.

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Originally Posted by Delbert wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 09:17

Totally agree. When are these owners of football clubs going to realise that they are just custodians of the clubs. Why do they have to change and meddle with things?

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The nationality of a clubs owner SHOULD be irrelevant. It's the culture of the club and the city that matters.

It's absolute shite, looks like something knocked up in a couple of minutes by kids in primary school. there's no imagination gone into it and the whole thing seems to match Tan's dress sense, shocking.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 10:07

The guff regarding the new badge on the official website is hilarious, as well as being historically inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 10:04

The funniest part is where they claim the little red squiggly thing at the bottom of the badge has been "integral to the Welsh capital for over one hundred years."

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http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

That looks fine. No Fire & Passion, it's in the right colour; there is a bluebird on it. The dragon looks a bit odd simply because of scale. I've got no problem with it being there, we've had daffodils, footballs, a big yellow cross. Another dragon doesn't really bother me. If anything, the sort-of-3d effect and the shape of the crest is more offensive as they look a bit mid-90s, but if you blanked out the club name and asked a football supporter whose badge it was, I'm pretty sure they would be able to identify it as ours.

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:18

In terms of design it is an embarrassment.

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Originally Posted by 14TheFuture wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:05

The banner with Cardiff City on looks so out of place too!

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Pretty sure I could've made that, given 5 minutes or so, and all the old badges.

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

Loving this shitstorm. Nice badge IMO.

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 16:00

Thanks for the lossless guarantee but it's about perception by the human eye and not the ability for modern technology to reproduce things in miniature. (I worked on products in vector format for ten years so I am not totally unaware of the concept).

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Originally Posted by Penarth Blues wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:57

And thanks for your usual sarcasm. You're talking utter nonsense TBG which you don't normally do, but you really are talking out of your arse here. I really doubt you actually had ten years worth of experience with vector files as you'd know the quality doesn't change no matter what the size. To then change what you're saying to be that it's about perception of the human eye is nonsense. Where exactly are you imagining the badge so small that it will lose all this detail?? You're actually making issue where there just isn't anything wrong

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Originally Posted by Baker wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 15:53

In TBG's defence the eye can only resolve a certain amount of detail. So the further you are from something the harder it is to see fine detail - hence why 4K TV's aren't much improvement over 1080P TV's unless you are sat on top of them where you can see the pixels on the 1080P TV.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 14:19

I think it is this he is getting at, not the ability to print at the finer detail.

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Still, keep up the personal criticisms.