Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I think if malky had stayed the chances are we would still have gone down.
Although we wouldn't have made such a cock up of things as ole subsequently did. Think of the millions we threw away under him.
We never picked up points at a rate that would have seen us stay up, just for a while other clubs were worse.
We also initial picked up more points than the underlying stats suggested we should have, so it was probably never sustainable.
When other teams at the bottom got their shit together and went on a run, we had no answer.
It's all speculation. But when he left we had already played 7 of the eventual top 9 at Home and we'd taken 6 points off the only 2 teams we'd played at Home that finished in the bottom-half.
So if you assume most of our points that season would come from Home games against weaker teams in the division most of those games were still ahead of us when he left.
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
chepstow
Best manager weve ever had i wont slag him off.
Er, what?
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
Or is Tan the idiot for letting someone spend that sort of (his own!) money on a donkey like Cornelius?
Tan is not a football person, but I wonder if he lets people in his many other business ventures have such a free rein with that much cash? I very much doubt it.
Just weird.
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
Or is Tan the idiot for letting someone spend that sort of (his own!) money on a donkey like Cornelius?
Tan is not a football person, but I wonder if he lets people in his many other business ventures have such a free rein with that much cash? I very much doubt it.
Just weird.
Tan's problem seems to be he expected managers to act rationally and not like kids in sweetie stores. Naive, even. Taken their views on players on trust. Managers have always been backed by him in the transfer market and I don't think it's in question some have taken advantage.
Seems he's now learnt that lesson the hard way.
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
Tan's problem seems to be he expected managers to act rationally and not like kids in sweetie stores. Naive, even. Taken their views on players on trust. Managers have always been backed by him in the transfer market and I don't think it's in question some have taken advantage.
Seems he's now learnt that lesson the hard way.
In which case Malky was really having a laugh with Cornelius then. Medel and Caulker justified big fees, but Corny was a huge surprise (and risk) and turned out as we expected.
I hope that he (Corny not Malky!) makes it with Atalanta btw - that would be nice.
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
I'm in the "we were getting found out camp".
Stoke and Villa away were there for the taking. He celebrated the point away to Stoke like we'd won the champions league but if we had a bit more ambition we could have put them to the sword.
Whilst individually some coud argue that his signings that summer weren't all bad, they did nothing to address the lack of balance in the team.
When you compare Malky's transfer activity that summer with what Warnock has done this year in a lot less buyer friendly market then it was nothing short of woeful.
We needed pace, we needed guile but what we got were water carriers.
Hull and Steve Bruce put us to shame in the transfer market that season.
I share this opinion
Malky was found out and had nothing in the locker
When Tan gave Malky a larger locker he filled it with players that were fairly average to rubbish
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
In which case Malky was really having a laugh with Cornelius then. Medel and Caulker justified big fees, but Corny was a huge surprise (and risk) and turned out as we expected.
I hope that he (Corny not Malky!) makes it with Atalanta btw - that would be nice.
I think it was too big a move to too big a league too early for Cornelius. Fee was outrageous - if we were talking £2m or so, far lower wages, not being handed the number 9 shirt and it being made public from the start he was one for the future then we could possibly have carried and developed him for a few seasons.
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
Or is Tan the idiot for letting someone spend that sort of (his own!) money on a donkey like Cornelius?
Tan is not a football person, but I wonder if he lets people in his many other business ventures have such a free rein with that much cash? I very much doubt it.
Just weird.
The idiots are the people that believe the Cornelius transfer cost 20 million.
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Look at who Moody brought in at Palace in the January window. Scott Dann, Wayne Hennessey, Joe Ledley and Jason Puncheon. That could have been us. Palace "got their shit together" after Malky was sacked. And with our former head of recruitment. For me the blame lays squarely at the feet of Vincent Tan.
Funny I thought Tony Pulis was manager of Palace at the time0. Didn't he bring those players in?????
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Funny I thought Tony Pulis was manager of Palace at the time0. Didn't he bring those players in?????
So what was the head of player recruitment doing?
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
So what was the head of player recruitment doing?
Accordin to an interview with Tony Pulis soon afteresttţgetting the players Pulis wanted, speaking to the agents and arranging the deals.
It was Pulis who spoke to the players to persuade them to move to Palace.
So they were Pulis' choices not Moodys!!
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Agreed but its been done to death this argument and no one is going to change their mind now after 4 years.
Myself personally im just glad I never bought into Malky. I always said even when we were winning that the football was painful to watch and that the fans were blinded by his fist pump.
I bought into it at the start but he started to let slip just how big his ego was at the end. He played the fans like fiddles at Liverpool away and was leaking everything to his pals on motd making himself out to be a pariah.
His transfers in the summer before the premier league season weren't that bad but it was obvious he'd failed to address the lack of goals in the squad.
I think we were always going to get relegated but Ole made it a lot more sure.
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Elwood Blues
Accordin to an interview with Tony Pulis soon afteresttţgetting the players Pulis wanted, speaking to the agents and arranging the deals.
It was Pulis who spoke to the players to persuade them to move to Palace.
So they were Pulis' choices not Moodys!!
I think the truth is that when you have an "old school" manager like a Pulis or Warnock working at a club with a Head of Recruitment, the manager is far more involved in the actual transfer process than at some clubs where the manager/coach is presented with a group of new players and his job is to integrate them into the team as best as he can. However, I believe that even a Pulis or Warnock is reliant on his club's scouting network to the extent that he'll often tell them of the type of player(s) he wants and they eventually present him with a list of targets that would be available within the confines of the club's budget - I would expect an old school manager then to make a choice that is his alone on who he wants and he'd also want to have a meeting with the player before any deal was done. Therefore, while I think you are right to say that those Palace players weren't Moody signings, I'd also say that they weren't 100% Pulis signings either.
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
So what was the head of player recruitment doing?
Illicitly getting our team lineup for the game against Palace...
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I think the truth is that when you have an "old school" manager like a Pulis or Warnock working at a club with a Head of Recruitment, the manager is far more involved in the actual transfer process than at some clubs where the manager/coach is presented with a group of new players and his job is to integrate them into the team as best as he can. However, I believe that even a Pulis or Warnock is reliant on his club's scouting network to the extent that he'll often tell them of the type of player(s) he wants and they eventually present him with a list of targets that would be available within the confines of the club's budget - I would expect an old school manager then to make a choice that is his alone on who he wants and he'd also want to have a meeting with the player before any deal was done. Therefore, while I think you are right to say that those Palace players weren't Moody signings, I'd also say that they weren't 100% Pulis signings either.
Wasn't moody more involved with arranging the deals etc than actually identifying targets? Could be wrong though
Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Mambo
Moody was just slimey little toad of a man, who was just in it to rip and extort as much as he can - mainly from players agents and owners. Malky was a fool to jump into bed with him, remember the secret dossiers of player profiles etc - what a load of old tosh that turned out to be. More like a list of players who would give moody the biggest back hander from their agents fee allegedly
Moody was a journalist who worked in PR for Watford then somehow managed to get that player recruitment/sporting director gig there.
I suspect if he was still here now, Warnock would have found him out pretty damn quickly.