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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Stavross1927
Unless the fee we get is a significant increase on what we paid for him, why would you consider selling? Don’t think he’s ever had a fair crack of things, either the way we play has bypassed him or he just hasn’t had a consistent run in the team. If he does go and is not replaced, even more questions need to be asked about our transfer strategy. It seems like the 3rd or 4th window where we go into the last day still needing players in positions that has been obvious - centre midfield and right back, and almost desperate.
Agree with this... and to add it’s not just about throwing money around at signings... Madine 6million...
Let’s see what today brings but if we sell Reid and bring in Vassell I would have to conclude it’s one of our worst transfer windows for some time
Of course I’ll get behind the new signings but you have to question the transfer policy of the club
We seem to have a large squad but no X factor and also huge weaknesses in areas that have needing to be addressed for some time
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
Just as some supporting evidence, this is what he wrote about Vassell a couple of days ago
SWANSEA. In for Vassell at BIRMINGHAM. Offering more money than LUTON who prefer a loan to buy job.
That could have been true a few days ago... and then we come in for Vassell
Anyway I hope it’s nonsense and Reid stays and plays
If I was Reid I’d be asking for a transfer... we don’t play the kind of football where he can thrive, sadly, and also I think Warnock is so so poor at creating an attacking style of play and forward line formations that Reid may be the victim and in and out of the side with Paterson preferred there... Reid is such a good player at this level it would be championship suicide to get rid of him or keep him and not play to his strengths.... but that’s Warnock for you.... has he ever done well in his third season at a club 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Unless the offer is a great one then I don't see Reid going. Started the match at Wigan and was a good goal scorer at this level previously.
Just a rumour, media so hungry at this time of year. Is shay given signing yet?
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
ok lets start this here then, the Wurzles have the £20M from the Webster transfer, so that's Reid's release value.
Oh and Vassell for Danny Ward straight swap
I'd take that if there is any truth in this rumour? On the other hand players have so much power nowadays that any prospective move can only take place if the player wants it, so if Reid wants out what's the point in keeping him?
As long as it allows the club to get in a decent replacement in before 5.00pm today, which is a tall order unless they have already been working on this in the background.
Let's just wait and see if there is any substance to the story first of all
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Let's look at the facts, Decordova-Reid and Murphy were our two biggest signings last summer and were given an opportunity, as proven Championship performers, to show they could do the business in the Premier League. In the event, both of them missed more matches than they would have expected with things culminating in the disastrous Fulham defeat where one of them came on as an afterthought with about three minutes left and the other was not even selected for the eighteen.
Bearing those facts in mind and the lack of form shown by either player against Nice and Wigan, would it be beyond the bounds of possibility that either player would go back like a shot if their former clubs offered them the chance? Neither player looks particularly happy to me currently.
If Decordova-Reid leaves today, we really do need to do more in the remaining hours than just sign Vassell.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Bristol would be the deal for Reid I'm sure, no one else likely to come in with a good offer. I'm sure we haven't finished paying for him yet either so it could all be worked out and they have money from Webster and Kelly? sales (fair play they seem to make some good money each season). They have though just spent 8m on a Monaco 18 year old, not sure if attacking mid.
Probably the one deal you could definitely say the player would want (in the championship).
But I'd still be surprised at this stage. Particularly given lack of time for replacements.
Transfer window really does only need to be 2 weeks. The weeks and weeks of posturing, rumours, negotiations and agent bs is just unnecessary.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Maybe its a ploy.
Struggling to get our business done. Its a signal of intent that we keep Bobby (even though he wasnt ever going). People react better to our lack of signings.
I honestly dont think that is the case, I've heard as I posted previously. However, I've def heard stranger things!!
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Let's look at the facts, Decordova-Reid and Murphy were our two biggest signings last summer and were given an opportunity, as proven Championship performers, to show they could do the business in the Premier League. In the event, both of them missed more matches than they would have expected with things culminating in the disastrous Fulham defeat where one of them came on as an afterthought with about three minutes left and the other was not even selected for the eighteen.
Bearing those facts in mind and the lack of form shown by either player against Nice and Wigan, would it be beyond the bounds of possibility that either player would go back like a shot if their former clubs offered them the chance? Neither player looks particularly happy to me currently.
If Decordova-Reid leaves today, we really do need to do more in the remaining hours than just sign Vassell.
Agree Bob. Think we would though.
Its not helping with the amount of players still on our books I wouldn't have thought.
At least its done earlier now.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Struggling to get business done .... I can never figure this out about transfer windows, what a way to run a business.
Any news on Sankhare or all paper talk? I would assume Cunningham will stay unless Sankhare (or ?) signs.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
Struggling to get business done .... I can never figure this out about transfer windows, what a way to run a business.
Any news on Sankhare or all paper talk? I would assume Cunningham will stay unless Sankhare (or ?) signs.
Stupid but whenever the window is, its always the same. I've never understood it either.
No idea. Thought that was dead, original interest was genuine.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
Struggling to get business done .... I can never figure this out about transfer windows, what a way to run a business.
Any news on Sankhare or all paper talk? I would assume Cunningham will stay unless Sankhare (or ?) signs.
The competence of our 'transfer committee' has to be brought into question after another questionable window.
I know deals can be difficult to get over the line but the apparent lack of planning in even identifying talent is frightening.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, our club is 30 years behind the game.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, our club is 30 years behind the game.
In terms of player recruitment I'd say we've gone backwards in the last 10 years.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
The competence of our 'transfer committee' has to be brought into question after another questionable window.
I know deals can be difficult to get over the line but the apparent lack of planning in even identifying talent is frightening.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, our club is 30 years behind the game.
The competence of everyone at the club has to come into question if we haven't signed a centre mid come 5pm. We were promised we'd make a real go and while the players we've brought in could come off, we've got too many holes in the squad to push for top 6. 2 injuries and we'll be playing centre backs in midfield.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
In terms of player recruitment I'd say we've gone backwards in the last 10 years.
It has always been amateur but now you're right it's worse than it was under Malky or Dave Jones.
At least under Malky we seemed to aligning ourselves with the modern game in terms of sport science etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if the players have a bag of 10 pasties from Greggs before they play!
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
The competence of everyone at the club has to come into question if we haven't signed a centre mid come 5pm. We were promised we'd make a real go and while the players we've brought in could come off, we've got too many holes in the squad to push for top 6. 2 injuries and we'll be playing centre backs in midfield.
"We'll go with what we've got"
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
It has always been amateur but now you're right it's worse than it was under Malky or Dave Jones.
At least under Malky we seemed to aligning ourselves with the modern game in terms of sport science etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if the players have a bag of 10 pasties from Greggs before they play!
Malky's Championship signings were absolutely spot on. Warnock's cheap signings have been arguably better. Whenever we've spent big money, our return has been limited shall we say.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
There is precious little value in keeping an asset like Bobby Reid when the manager is determined not to play him to his strengths or play him at all. The board have made their decision to give Warnock another season so provided any money was immediately re-invested in a quality replacement who could fit into a Warnock team it might make sense. My concern would be I have little faith in Warnock and the so-called transfer committee spending the money wisely.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Yep at least Malky had his dossier of players and Jones always seemed to get good players in.
This signings the last 2 years have been strange at best even with a few decent players coming in.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Yep at least Malky had his dossier of players and Jones always seemed to get good players in.
This signings the last 2 years have been strange at best even with a few decent players coming in.
Malky's dossier took some hits (and rightly so) but we got Conway, Cowie, Taylor and Gunnar for free in 2011. Plus paying small fees for Turner, Miller, Mason and Harris. That was probably the best summer the club's ever had!
Mutch, Connolly, Noone, Campbell and Kimbo all came in the year after. We signed Velikonja that summer too so it was more of a mixed bag :hehe:.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Vassell should happen, got things moving forward late yesterday.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
ccfcwelshlad
Vassell should happen, got things moving forward late yesterday.
lets hope he proves a lot of us wrong and smashes in 25 this season :D
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Grangenders
Whether it’s true or not, there have been some concerns around the club. There has been a lack of significant spending in the transfer window, coupled with the recent stories that Dalman was supposedly close to leaving for Charlton. It wasn’t too long ago that Tan had to deny that the club was up for sale, after a sales prospectus had been produced.
Maybe his sale in the MLS team is due to something other than concentrating on Cardiff city as was stated at the time.
If Bobby Reid is sold without any significant replacement, then you have to wonder why a manager supposedly in the last year with the club would consider sanctioning such a move.
Warnock doesn't rate him that's plain to see!
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Delbert
There is precious little value in keeping an asset like Bobby Reid when the manager is determined not to play him to his strengths or play him at all. The board have made their decision to give Warnock another season so provided any money was immediately re-invested in a quality replacement who could fit into a Warnock team it might make sense. My concern would be I have little faith in Warnock and the so-called transfer committee spending the money wisely.
I agree with this, Warnock doesn't seem to rate him as a player and can't fit him in, let him go by all means, but sign a quality player that can fit into the team, not just Vassell who is a massive risk due to injury!
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Bluebina
Warnock doesn't rate him that's plain to see!
Why spend £10 million on a player he doesn't rate? Is he actually just a huge Bristol City fan? That's £15 million we've chucked them for 2 players our manager doesn't rate.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Bluebina
I agree with this, Warnock doesn't seem to rate him as a player and can't fit him in, let him go by all means, but sign a quality player that can fit into the team, not just Vassell who is a massive risk due to injury!
I don't understand this way of thinking. If he doesn't rate him we should be questioning the manager not giving him more funds to spunk up the wall on another useless lump of shit like Madine
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
How many players has Warnock signed that he doesn't rate?
Cunningham
Madine
Tomlin
Reid
Murphy
Ward
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
I don't understand this way of thinking. If he doesn't rate him we should be questioning the manager not giving him more funds to spunk up the wall on another useless lump of shit like Madine
Especially when this is Warnock's last year. I could just about stomach it if we were going to get a few centre mids in but with 3 in the squad so far, we're clearly not going up so to go even more "Warnock" is just stupid when we're some way off being a promotion challenger.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
How many players has Warnock signed that he doesn't rate?
Cunningham
Madine
Tomlin
Reid
Murphy
Ward
Smithies. Who's being linked with Forest today. Talking of Forest and goalkeepers, they currently have 5. Which is impressive.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
ToTaL ITK
lets hope he proves a lot of us wrong and smashes in 25 this season :D
From the bench?
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
How many players has Warnock signed that he doesn't rate?
Cunningham
Madine
Tomlin
Reid
Murphy
Ward
And how many of those did he describe as his "number one target" at the time of signing?
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
Cyncoed Slumdog
From the bench?
yes. i'm trying to stay positive :P
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
I'm hoping this is just bullshit but if ccfcwelshlad says he's for sale at the right price then I believe him. If that is the case then Warnock's going to plummet in my estimations because Reid's quality and he's not getting the best out of him, and robbing us of a good player for when Warnock leaves in a year
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
If Vassell does come in I’ll judge him on how he performs for us and won’t have any premeditated opinions on him, he could work well with a big striker to play off, got no idea, my issue was if it was Reid out him in.
I’m baffled by the amount of players we have that he can’t make use of, why do we sign them?
Even at amateur league level managers either get in players that fit their style, or change their style to suit the players they have, I’m not sure what Warnock is doing.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
More than one club interested in Reid. Not sure it will be Bristol that he ends up at. Which at least lets us laugh at the Wurzels... right?
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I'd have thought that the club would have denied this by now. It'd be close to a red shirt situation if it were true.
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
It'd be close to a red shirt situation if it were true.
I think that's a bit dramatic
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
So, Reid out and the guy from Le Havre and Vasell in. Doesn't strike me as great business!
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
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Originally Posted by
ccfcwelshlad
More than one club interested in Reid. Not sure it will be Bristol that he ends up at. Which at least lets us laugh at the Wurzels... right?
Great. Absolutely brilliant news. :frown:
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Re: Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?
Rumours rumours rumours
We’ve always conducted our transfer business close to our chest
Let’s not have a Corporal Jones moment before we hear from official sources
Then we can have a flap if the situation calls for it