Covid 19.....You are going to get it ....100%

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

I see. last night the mericans have admitted to classifying all deaths covid 19 if they have pre existing symptoms these are being disregarded.

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I've read the line a few times, it isn't making sense. Do you have a link?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I've read the line a few times, it isn't making sense. Do you have a link?

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If you go to twitter and search dr birx deaths, it will be the 1st link. Breaking911 has it,

also this has been posted today
https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/...80994821509121

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

wrong person I think ��

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yup!:getscoat:

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

If you go to twitter and search dr birx deaths, it will be the 1st link. Breaking911 has it,

also this has been posted today
https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/...80994821509121

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That's a Fox news reporter talking to a Republican senator who is talking specifically about Minnesota. A state that only has 1069 confirmed cases and 34 reported deaths. I wouldn't read too much into it if I were you.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I disagree. I don't think there has ever been a pandemic during which 100% of the population were infected.

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there is 7.8 billion people on the planet with ;

Coronavirus Cases:@ 1,496,335

Deaths:@ 87,617

Recovered @ 319,160

On that reported basis it would take some doing to get to a 100% get it basis , as some folk are immune .

I do wonder if some of the deaths would have happened anyways with flu or phenomena,id love to see that stat Corvid19 v Flu /phenomena deaths

I think a vaccine will be found and has to be found , or the bigger death toll will a result of the economy collapsing and then there is no health care

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Originally Posted by life on mars

there is 7.8 billion people on the planet with ;

Coronavirus Cases:@ 1,496,335

Deaths:@ 87,617

Recovered @ 319,160

On that reported basis it would take some doing to get to a 100% get it basis , as some folk are immune .

I do wonder if some of the deaths would have happened anyways with flu or phenomena,id love to see that stat Corvid19 v Flu /phenomena deaths

I think a vaccine will be found and has to be found , or the bigger death toll will a result of the economy collapsing and then there is no health care

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Coronavirus cases @ 1,496,335 - you do realise that not every case is recorded right?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

there is 7.8 billion people on the planet with ;

Coronavirus Cases:@ 1,496,335

Deaths:@ 87,617

Recovered @ 319,160

On that reported basis it would take some doing to get to a 100% get it basis , as some folk are immune .

I do wonder if some of the deaths would have happened anyways with flu or phenomena,id love to see that stat Corvid19 v Flu /phenomena deaths

I think a vaccine will be found and has to be found , or the bigger death toll will a result of the economy collapsing and then there is no health care

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Yeah , I accept that's not the way it works .

What happens in Wuhan in the coming weeks will indicate if we are going to have lockdown ..freedom...lockdown.

If they are going to continue going about their business without further interruption the would amazing ..is it unlikely ?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think if that happens unless it’s done ridiculously slowly we would end up with too many deaths.

How many have it now? 1% of the population? 5%?

We’ve already had 4000 deaths.

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I had proper flu twice in my life I think, other corona virus like the common cold people get more often I guess....

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Originally Posted by life on mars

there is 7.8 billion people on the planet with ;

Coronavirus Cases:@ 1,496,335

Deaths:@ 87,617

Recovered @ 319,160

On that reported basis it would take some doing to get to a 100% get it basis , as some folk are immune .

I do wonder if some of the deaths would have happened anyways with flu or phenomena,id love to see that stat Corvid19 v Flu /phenomena deaths

I think a vaccine will be found and has to be found , or the bigger death toll will a result of the economy collapsing and then there is no health care

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Didn’t 35000 people die of flu here in 2015? One of the worst seasons recorded I heard.

Here we are 4 months on , hard to believe the way this has panned out .
Still looks like the only way forward is to catch it and deal with it to the best of each individuals capabilities.

Unless a magic vaccine appears from the magic vaccine factory.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Here we are 4 months on , hard to believe the way this has panned out .
Still looks like the only way forward is to catch it and deal with it to the best of each individuals capabilities.

Unless a magic vaccine appears from the magic vaccine factory.

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Yep, the old question of what is more important - people or money.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Here we are 4 months on , hard to believe the way this has panned out .
Still looks like the only way forward is to catch it and deal with it to the best of each individuals capabilities.

Unless a magic vaccine appears from the magic vaccine factory.

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Science has moved forward remarkably quickly in the 4 month period. There is much better understanding of the virus, effective medication..dexamethasone for example, the role of CPAP v Ventilators, the way it spreads etc.

Still a long way to go and pleased to see that the magic vaccine seems to be progressing well too.

This intracellular parasite that we call Covid can only survive if it has a host. The way forward is not to catch it, but to avoid catching it.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Here we are 4 months on , hard to believe the way this has panned out .
Still looks like the only way forward is to catch it and deal with it to the best of each individuals capabilities.

Unless a magic vaccine appears from the magic vaccine factory.

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Well, you definitely haven't moved on. There is still no guarantee that getting the virus will provide immunity for anything other than a few months.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Well, you definitely haven't moved on. There is still no guarantee that getting the virus will provide immunity for anything other than a few months.

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Is there any evidence that you get immunity at all?..genuine question

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Here we are 4 months on , hard to believe the way this has panned out .
Still looks like the only way forward is to catch it and deal with it to the best of each individuals capabilities.

Unless a magic vaccine appears from the magic vaccine factory.

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Aye Russia getting a vaccine in a couple of months,works too by all accounts.Got it off the internet apparently.:hehe:

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Originally Posted by stan butler

The missus has had that for about a week and a half she's getting better now :sherlock: I had a bad chest aching from the knees down as if i'd ran a marathon and bunged up. Don't usually have a cold/flu that bad

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If either of you think you have the virus you should get tested.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

If either of you think you have the virus you should get tested.

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The message you were referring to was posted in April.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Personally, I think the UK is one of the few countries to have gotten the handling of this correct - albeit late.

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This went well.....

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

This went well.....

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The message you are referring to was posted in April. This kid must have you wound up about summat. You usually reserve your thread bumping to people who have really maddened you.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Is there any evidence that you get immunity at all?..genuine question

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Not much evidence. Some strong indications that immunity will be short lived. However, immunity from vaccinations often lasts longer than immunity from contracting the virus.

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Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez

The message you are referring to was posted in April. This kid must have you wound up about summat. You usually reserve your thread bumping to people who have really maddened you.

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Of course it was posted in April, you dull twat. That was the point. It demonstrates that, while he was desperately attempting to portray himself as some sort of Covid-19 expert, he actually didn't have a clue what he was talking about.

Incidentally, I didn't bump the thread. Jimmy did that yesterday. All but the stupidest among us could have worked that out really quickly by looking at the messages others have posted above mine during the last 24 hours, but I can understand your error. After all, you only have eyes for me.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Of course it was posted in April, you dull twat. That was the point. It demonstrates that, while he was desperately attempting to portray himself as some sort of Covid-19 expert, he actually didn't have a clue what he was talking about.

Incidentally, I didn't bump the thread. Jimmy did that yesterday. All but the stupidest among us could have worked that out really quickly by looking at the messages others have posted above mine during the last 24 hours, but I can understand your error. After all, you only have eyes for me.

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Dude, you are hilarious. You quoted one line from a long post. Then claim it is proof he "doesn't know what he was talking about".

You sound rattled my old son.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Of course it was posted in April, you dull twat. That was the point. It demonstrates that, while he was desperately attempting to portray himself as some sort of Covid-19 expert, he actually didn't have a clue what he was talking about.

Incidentally, I didn't bump the thread. Jimmy did that yesterday. All but the stupidest among us could have worked that out really quickly by looking at the messages others have posted above mine during the last 24 hours, but I can understand your error. After all, you only have eyes for me.

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Why would this post make you so aggrieved to resort to that type of comment ?
Hardly trying to portray myself as any kind of expert . Just sharing a strongly felt opinion .
As a previous poster has pointed out there have been some positive steps in understanding the disease.
Still looks like you will have to get it before we get back to any kind of normality from where I am standing .
Or we have to keep trying to dodge it and normality will look like this for a very very long time .
Its an opinion, if my posts are causing you such distress , dont read them , or just refrain from commenting in such a scathing manner...

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Still looks like you will have to get it before we get back to any kind of normality from where I am standing .

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What are you basing that on? Have you got some information that shows that, once you have caught it, you are immune for ever?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...study-suggests

Some people have a misconception that Covid-19 is like other infectious diseases such as measles which confer life-long immunity. But there is no current evidence to exclude the possibility of Covid-19 re-infection.

Given the significant mortality and morbidity rates of Covid-19 everyone would do well to do everything they can to avoid it. The only way to get some kind of normality is to attempt to eliminate the virus from the community using test, trace and isolate with strict border controls. Other countries have shown this can be done but it requires the political will to make it happen.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Why would this post make you so aggrieved to resort to that type of comment ?
Hardly trying to portray myself as any kind of expert . Just sharing a strongly felt opinion .

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I wasn't talking about you, JJ. Not sure why you thought I was. I was referring to the board's resident scientific expert who claimed back in April that the UK was one of a few countries in the world that was handling the pandemic properly.

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Originally Posted by Delbert

Some people have a misconception that Covid-19 is like other infectious diseases such as measles which confer life-long immunity. But there is no current evidence to exclude the possibility of Covid-19 re-infection.

Given the significant mortality and morbidity rates of Covid-19 everyone would do well to do everything they can to avoid it. The only way to get some kind of normality is to attempt to eliminate the virus from the community using test, trace and isolate with strict border controls. Other countries have shown this can be done but it requires the political will to make it happen.

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Borders have already re-opened, and by the time spikes are reported in those countries it is too late to close borders effectively.

We are now at a stage of "regional lockdowns". However, what is stopping people travelling from Manchester to London today? Absolutely nothing. People were questioning Drakeford's "5 mile radius" logic, with lisvaneblue claiming that it herded people into hotspots. No, what the 5 mile radius did was ensure that the virus didn't spread quickly.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Borders have already re-opened, and by the time spikes are reported in those countries it is too late to close borders effectively.

We are now at a stage of "regional lockdowns". However, what is stopping people travelling from Manchester to London today? Absolutely nothing. People were questioning Drakeford's "5 mile radius" logic, with lisvaneblue claiming that it herded people into hotspots. No, what the 5 mile radius did was ensure that the virus didn't spread quickly.

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I stand by what I said. The 5 mile rule effectively kept people in areas with high infection rates within those areas. All Covid needs in order to spread is to find another host, be it within 5 miles or 500. If you concentrate people within areas where the virus is prevalent then it is more likely to find 'hosts'. An extreme example being care homes.
The other side of the coin is that if you live in an area with a low rate then the 5 mile rule in theory helps keep the incidence low. In Wales that only really happened in the more remote areas of Cardigan and Powys.
Drakeford's rule also seem to ignore the fact that Wales has a 120mile long border with England and anyone living with 5 miles of that could drive over the border and from there anywhere in England. The whole thing was a nonsense.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

I stand by what I said. The 5 mile rule effectively kept people in areas with high infection rates within those areas. All Covid needs in order to spread is to find another host, be it within 5 miles or 500. If you concentrate people within areas where the virus is prevalent then it is more likely to find 'hosts'. An extreme example being care homes.

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Which is where local reintroduction of lockdowns comes in. Allowing people from a high infection area to travel makes it even more likely for the virus to find hosts and spread further.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Which is where local reintroduction of lockdowns comes in. Allowing people from a high infection area to travel makes it even more likely for the virus to find hosts and spread further.

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The local lockdowns in England are to keep people apart..ie stop them meeting in groups etc etc. Travel is not restricted.
We have not had any local lockdowns in Wales, just national initiatives including the 5 mile rule, which if it was so good should be in action now in Wrexham.

In Wales the areas with the highest incidence are a long way from the English border, so no excuses for those who live close to the border and could catch it in England. They are Cardiff, Rhondda, Swansea, and worse of all are Wrexham and Merthyr.

The there is no scientific evidence that the 5 mile rule worked. It was imposed on a whim.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The local lockdowns in England are to keep people apart..ie stop them meeting in groups etc etc. Travel is not restricted.
We have not had any local lockdowns in Wales, just national initiatives including the 5 mile rule, which if it was so good should be in action now in Wrexham.

In Wales the areas with the highest incidence are a long way from the English border, so no excuses for those who live close to the border and could catch it in England. They are Cardiff, Rhondda, Swansea, and worse of all are Wrexham and Merthyr.

The there is no scientific evidence that the 5 mile rule worked. It was imposed on a whim.

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OK, you're going to have to explain to me how it makes sense to stop two people meeting in one house in Blackburn, but there is nothing in the guidelines to stop a family from Blackburn popping down to Birmingham for a weekend to meet their family there.

Surely, if there was a 5 mile radius, that example family wouldn't have the opportunity to potentially visit a different City and to potentially cause the spread of the virus from Blackburn to Birmingham?

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The local lockdowns in England are to keep people apart..ie stop them meeting in groups etc etc. Travel is not restricted.
We have not had any local lockdowns in Wales, just national initiatives including the 5 mile rule, which if it was so good should be in action now in Wrexham.

In Wales the areas with the highest incidence are a long way from the English border, so no excuses for those who live close to the border and could catch it in England. They are Cardiff, Rhondda, Swansea, and worse of all are Wrexham and Merthyr.

The there is no scientific evidence that the 5 mile rule worked. It was imposed on a whim.

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There is no scientific evidence that letting people go wherever they want, especially for their meat, doesn't pose a threat.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

OK, you're going to have to explain to me how it makes sense to stop two people meeting in one house in Blackburn, but there is nothing in the guidelines to stop a family from Blackburn popping down to Birmingham for a weekend to meet their family there.

Surely, if there was a 5 mile radius, that example family wouldn't have the opportunity to potentially visit a different City and to potentially cause the spread of the virus from Blackburn to Birmingham?

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Depends on who their 'local' butcher is.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The local lockdowns in England are to keep people apart..ie stop them meeting in groups etc etc. Travel is not restricted.
We have not had any local lockdowns in Wales, just national initiatives including the 5 mile rule, which if it was so good should be in action now in Wrexham.

In Wales the areas with the highest incidence are a long way from the English border, so no excuses for those who live close to the border and could catch it in England. They are Cardiff, Rhondda, Swansea, and worse of all are Wrexham and Merthyr.

The there is no scientific evidence that the 5 mile rule worked. It was imposed on a whim.

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Or just to do something a little different to BoJo in England, as it sure as hell looked like that

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Or just to do something a little different to BoJo in England, as it sure as hell looked like that

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Wales' record in preventing deaths and the spread of Covid has been more successful than England. Is that a wrong approach?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Wales' record in preventing deaths and the spread of Covid has been more successful than England. Is that a wrong approach?

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So far, has it just postponed it ? ? ?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

So far, has it just postponed it ? ? ?

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Surely delaying it as long as possible is the right thing to do?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

So far, has it just postponed it ? ? ?

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You may be right, I'm not going to crow because on a day when some papers were headlining with the sort of drastic restrictions that are, reportedly, being considered for England, you could sit in a pub and have a pint and meet in groups of thirty in Wales because we are seeing that the situation can soon change, but there is an irony when you remember all of those on here who were castigating the Welsh Government for their caution at the time the UK Government were falling over themselves trying to find new things they could open up. I'm biased, but it seems to me that the case is virtually proven that the UK Government, and the Welsh one, went into lockdown too late and the evidence is surely mounting that Johnson and co tried to come out of it too quickly.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

There is no scientific evidence that letting people go wherever they want, especially for their meat, doesn't pose a threat.

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You may be pleased to know that eventually I got to Brecon once Drakeford allowed it. Deep into Powys and came back with some good Welsh lamb and no Covid issues.

At the time I wrote to my AM about the travel restrictions preventing me from zipping up the A 470 and she recommended three butchers in North Cardiff. Point is if I had the virus I could pass it on to a butcher be it in Cardiff or Brecon. If the butcher had the virus in either town he could pass it on to me. But the chances of the butchers being contagious in Cardiff was a greater risk as it was a hot spot, whereas Powys was and is not.


You know the way the virus spreads and in my view Wales has moderately well by imposing very strict stay at home guidance, but failed with testing. The 5 mile travel rule was suspect because it kept many people in Wales stuck in hot spots eg You could travel anywhere as long as it was within your hot spot. Ridiculous really.

Big problem in Wrexham right now and no imposition of the travel restrictions says a lot. So someone from that town could travel to Blackburn or Birmingham, or even Cardiff, and the Wales Government cares not a toss. Why? Probably because they now know that the 5 mile rule was a load of tosh

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You may be right, I'm not going to crow because on a day when some papers were headlining with the sort of drastic restrictions that are, reportedly, being considered for England, you could sit in a pub and have a pint and meet in groups of thirty in Wales because we are seeing that the situation can soon change, but there is an irony when you remember all of those on here who were castigating the Welsh Government for their caution at the time the UK Government were falling over themselves trying to find new things they could open up. I'm biased, but it seems to me that the case is virtually proven that the UK Government, and the Welsh one, went into lockdown too late and the evidence is surely mounting that Johnson and co tried to come out of it too quickly.

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This is where comparisons become difficult because different governments are doing similar things at different times. Are we in Wales better at managing the virus? are the population more compliant? or are we following the same path as England but on a different time line?

Are where does 'common sense' as BoJo calls it fit in. This message board is alive with people who have taken the plunge with season tickets. Some must be over 50, maybe over 60 and in the high risk group should they catch Covid. Why take the chance?, cold weather to come, crowded trains, full pubs, pinch points on entrance and exit to the ground.

They do it because they have hopefully weighed up the risks and decided it's worth it. No different really to what governments in the UK do on behalf on the population. No different really to the crowds who gather in the Bay, or rush to the beach.