Johnson Admitted to Hospital

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

There's a house in Cyncoed that had the biggest 'Vote Tory' Placard outside their house during the recent election that i've ever seen. They've got rainbows up now saying support the NHS. Stupid *****.

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Plenty round this way

Stupid *****

Slash the NHS ......but please help us when we are in the shit

Next week let's all have a clap for that working class hero Iain Duncan Smith ?

He oversaw the savage welfare cuts under the tories in the last ten years , driving up the use of food banks despite us being one of the richest countries in the world

And many sick and disabled people have been driven to suicide due to the stress of fit for work tests

If we are going to clap boris , let's clap him

And Sir Jacob Rees Mogg

I think every tuesday we should have clap a tory at 8pm

We should clap everyone we encounter during our daily 30-minute government prescribed exercise period of walking round the block on the off chance they might be a key worker, Tory, a good karaoke singer or simply for being a fellow human.

I wouldn't be adverse to spending three hours on the doorstep each night from 6pm applauding like a sea lion might. 20 minutes for NHS staff, then 10 minutes each for postal workers, prison officers, supermarket staff, lorry drivers, police officers, farmers, utility workers, traffic wardens and more besides.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

The state of humanity, laid bare in this thread. People wishing someone ill, people celebrating the death of someone.

Johnson is a self-centred moron, his policies will damage me personally and are damaging me personally. His Government's arrogance on labelling people "unskilled" has come to bite them on their arses.

But, wishing him dead? I agree he is not a pleasant human being, but I live in hope that this crisis has refocused his mind, and others as we get out of this crisis.

Thatcher had an incredibly detrimental effect on my town. But, if I celebrated her death I would be worse than anything she did.

Rise above it. You're looking stupid.

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Best post in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

We should clap everyone we encounter during our daily 30-minute government prescribed exercise period of walking round the block on the off chance they might be a key worker, Tory, a good karaoke singer or simply for being a fellow human.

I wouldn't be adverse to spending three hours on the doorstep each night from 6pm applauding like a sea lion might. 20 minutes for NHS staff, then 10 minutes each for postal workers, prison officers, supermarket staff, lorry drivers, police officers, farmers, utility workers, traffic wardens and more besides.

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It's a bit patronising in my opinion, especially Tesco Lining up their staff to Clap Key workers on the way in. This is the society we live in, cheap Emotive behaviour that takes away from the real issues. People are lazy minded.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

It's a bit patronising in my opinion, especially Tesco Lining up their staff to Clap Key workers on the way in. This is the society we live in, cheap Emotive behaviour that takes away from the real issues. People are lazy minded.

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People clapping boris who removed us from the european wide early response programme for virus control , despite warnings from the NHS ?

His government refused to take part in the offer from europe to participate in the joint procurement for urgent medical supplies like masks , ventilators etc .....putting our nurses and patients at risk

Clapping for that ?

People voting tory who are now clapping our " brave nurses " to save them forgetting it has been tory NHS cuts over the last ten years that have put so much pressure on front line staff .....dont these fecking idiots read the news ? Well if you did vote for tory cuts and you fall ill , dont blame those of us who didnt .

Its boris Johnson's watch now and if the NHS pull him through good on em but let's not forget the five year old boy who died recently or a leading heart consultant at the heath .

Johnson is just another statistic of this awful virus , a virus he and his government have prepared for badly and starved the NHS of resources to fight it in the first place

Keep safe bluebirds

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

The state of humanity, laid bare in this thread. People wishing someone ill, people celebrating the death of someone.

Johnson is a self-centred moron, his policies will damage me personally and are damaging me personally. His Government's arrogance on labelling people "unskilled" has come to bite them on their arses.

But, wishing him dead? I agree he is not a pleasant human being, but I live in hope that this crisis has refocused his mind, and others as we get out of this crisis.

Thatcher had an incredibly detrimental effect on my town. But, if I celebrated her death I would be worse than anything she did.

Rise above it. You're looking stupid.

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The only mitigation I can see is that person x on ccmb wishing a politician dead is extremely unlikely to have an impact, and in this case will only be said by those who can see that 130,000 people died unnecessarily due to austerity (David Cameron adviser, Steve Hilton said so) where people such as Boris did have an impact. In this way I don't think you celebrating Thatcher's death makes you worse than her, she had power and you don't, but think you have lost right to claim to be better.

Still, a left-wing position is being anti-capital punishment and seeking humane and responsible punishment instead. The humane and responsible punishment Boris hopefully has in his future is majority realising what a terrible professional he is (journalist as well as politician), Boris having to own consequence of his bad politics and being voted out asap of the job he felt entitled to.

Stepping away from politics to the real world, considering how awful bad symptoms and death through covid-19 is I wouldn't be wishing it on anyone.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

The state of humanity, laid bare in this thread. People wishing someone ill, people celebrating the death of someone.

Johnson is a self-centred moron, his policies will damage me personally and are damaging me personally. His Government's arrogance on labelling people "unskilled" has come to bite them on their arses.

But, wishing him dead? I agree he is not a pleasant human being, but I live in hope that this crisis has refocused his mind, and others as we get out of this crisis.

Thatcher had an incredibly detrimental effect on my town. But, if I celebrated her death I would be worse than anything she did.

Rise above it. You're looking stupid.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-52198488
Coronavirus: Mayor apologises for PM 'deserves this' comments
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Sheila Oakes admitted she "made a mistake"

A town mayor has apologised for saying Prime Minister Boris Johnson "completely deserves this" after he was admitted to intensive care.

Sheila Oakes, who is the mayor of Heanor in Derbyshire, made the comments below a Facebook post about the news.

The Amber Valley Labour Group said it had withdrawn the whip, meaning she is no longer a Labour councillor.

Ms Oakes has since apologised and accepted she "made a mistake".

In response to a post asking people to say a "little prayer" for the prime minister on Monday night, Ms Oakes had written: "Sorry, he completely deserves this and he is one of the worst PMs we've ever had."

Do people seriously think that if boris does recover hes going to have a Lazarus moment and invest in the NHS , public services and education ?

If he gets through and once this virus is over the tories will still be free market capitalists

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Did you really wish that Boris Johnson died. And as for your last sentence above............

l agree your not a wrong'un

That is too mild


How about scum of the earth????

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Boris Johnson failed to take Covid-19 seriously. Boris Johnson contracted Covid-19. Boris Johnson was admitted to the ICU where no doubt he got preferential treatment.

So what about the people that Boris Johnson infected? And what about the people who weren't getting as much attention because he was in the ICU? What about all the people that suffered because of the austerity imposed by the Tory government which he now leads?

The governments of both the US and the UK have been advised on the severity of this disease since the beginning of January. But tough-guy Boris chose to ignore it. And Trump said it was a hoax? But I'm scum of the earth?

You're a slave. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Boris Johnson failed to take Covid-19 seriously. Boris Johnson contracted Covid-19. Boris Johnson was admitted to the ICU where no doubt he got preferential treatment.

So what about the people that Boris Johnson infected? And what about the people who weren't getting as much attention because he was in the ICU? What about all the people that suffered because of the austerity imposed by the Tory government which he now leads?

The governments of both the US and the UK have been advised on the severity of this disease since the beginning of January. But tough-guy Boris chose to ignore it. And Trump said it was a hoax? But I'm scum of the earth?

You're a slave. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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And, what about Anne from Ponty?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Boris Johnson failed to take Covid-19 seriously. Boris Johnson contracted Covid-19. Boris Johnson was admitted to the ICU where no doubt he got preferential treatment.

So what about the people that Boris Johnson infected? And what about the people who weren't getting as much attention because he was in the ICU? What about all the people that suffered because of the austerity imposed by the Tory government which he now leads?

The governments of both the US and the UK have been advised on the severity of this disease since the beginning of January. But tough-guy Boris chose to ignore it. And Trump said it was a hoax? But I'm scum of the earth?

You're a slave. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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I think you are a lonely little attention seeker. You have had your five minutes in the sunshine now crawl back under your rock creep.
You bring shame on us.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Boris Johnson failed to take Covid-19 seriously. Boris Johnson contracted Covid-19. Boris Johnson was admitted to the ICU where no doubt he got preferential treatment.

So what about the people that Boris Johnson infected? And what about the people who weren't getting as much attention because he was in the ICU? What about all the people that suffered because of the austerity imposed by the Tory government which he now leads?

The governments of both the US and the UK have been advised on the severity of this disease since the beginning of January. But tough-guy Boris chose to ignore it. And Trump said it was a hoax? But I'm scum of the earth?

You're a slave. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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A slave to à what?

And ashamed of what?

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Originally Posted by valley boy

I think you are a lonely little attention seeker. You have had your five minutes in the sunshine now crawl back under your rock creep.
You bring shame on us.

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Couldn't have put it better myself.

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Originally Posted by valley boy

I think you are a lonely little attention seeker. You have had your five minutes in the sunshine now crawl back under your rock creep.
You bring shame on us.

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Why is it that species that live under rocks always seem to get a bit of a hard time? Woodlice live under rocks,I wonder if they say to each over 'Go on, open your front door and **** off back into your house' When they're feeling morally superior but just don't have the words to express it?

Now I certainly wouldn't wish death on anybody but it's interesting that people are apoplectic when faced with a comment on a message board that has absolutely no effect on anything. Maybe channel that rage at injustice/unfairness onto something more worthy and important.

Out of interest, would those who were apparently outraged by NYCBlue's comment about Johnson have been similarly outraged if someone had made the same comment about Trump or Putin?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Now I certainly wouldn't wish death on anybody but it's interesting that people are apoplectic when faced with a comment on a message board that has absolutely no effect on anything. Maybe channel that rage at injustice/unfairness onto something more worthy and important.

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Same people who go on about people getting offended over nothing too, just a coincidence Im sure.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Out of interest, would those who were apparently outraged by NYCBlue's comment about Johnson have been similarly outraged if someone had made the same comment about Trump or Putin?

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Yes, particlarly Putin. A leaderless country is like a loose cannon and I think if he dies unexpectedly there would be a bloodbath and its the ordinary people who would suffer, as they usually do.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Yes, particlarly Putin. A leaderless country is like a loose cannon and I think if he dies unexpectedly there would be a bloodbath and its the ordinary people who would suffer, as they usually do.

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The country wont fall apart if johnson doesn't recover , its falling apart already to be fair

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The country wont fall apart if johnson doesn't recover , its falling apart already to be fair

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But the principle stands

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Yes, particlarly Putin. A leaderless country is like a loose cannon and I think if he dies unexpectedly there would be a bloodbath and its the ordinary people who would suffer, as they usually do.

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I had no idea you were so sensitive. I already knew you were daft as brush, though.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Out of interest, would those who were apparently outraged by NYCBlue's comment about Johnson have been similarly outraged if someone had made the same comment about Trump or Putin?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Yes.

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It takes all sorts I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Yes.

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Trump ?

I would like to see someone take trump out

And I dont mean for a macdonalds

Hes a very dangerous man

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I had no idea you were so sensitive. I already knew you were daft as brush, though.

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Trust me, despit the crap on here I'm a long way from daft and rpobably have more experience of life and death than most on here. I just don't discuss it. This is after all only a football chat room not the UN

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Trust me......

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I'll politely decline, but thanks for the offer.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'll politely decline, but thanks for the offer.

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you're welcome.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Trust me, despit the crap on here I'm a long way from daft and rpobably have more experience of life and death than most on here. I just don't discuss it. This is after all only a football chat room not the UN

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Have you come back from the dead ?

Kin hell , let's talk !

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Have you come back from the dead ?

Kin hell , let's talk !

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Not my own thank feck lol

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Out of interest, would those who were apparently outraged by NYCBlue's comment about Johnson have been similarly outraged if someone had made the same comment about Trump or Putin?

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That’s an interesting question.

One that’s answer would vary depending on an individual’s moral compass.
Me personally, I would find it more expected but still disappointing.
How abhorrent you find a person’s political or cultural influence, obviously will be factored in.

Both leaders, while divisive seem to be popular amongst their citizens.
And one was legitimately voted in democratically.
The question could be extended to Bashar Assad, Sadam Hussein or Kim Jong-un, or roll back to tyrannical leaders of history.

The context here though is a relatively moderate conservative, democratically elected PM being wished dead after he has been taken to hospital....because of political beliefs.

Not only would it be awful for his family as well as his (I’ll) fiancé and unborn child...it would be incredibly damaging to the UK in a situation that is unprecedented in our lifetimes.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I was born in neath , that's not swansea

I reckon you are a raving tory

And rather odd too , you only post when you want to complain about other posters

That's fecking strange

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I have only ever voted Labour.

A lot of the time I prefer to listen than talk. Sometimes though, something boils my piss enough for me to engage.

Everyone has an opinion.
Yours typically seems to be without nuance.
And repetitive.
And authoritarian.

For a Heavy Metal fan...you sure come across as puritanical!

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

The context here though is a relatively moderate conservative, democratically elected PM being wished dead after he has been taken to hospital....because of political beliefs.

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Or is it because of his political actions?

Personally, I hope Boris makes a full recovery. While I don't believe he's a good man, I don't believe he deserves to die right now either. Leaving any sentiment aside, I think it will be interesting to see how he approaches politics, his leadership and life in general if and when he does recover.

That said, I could make a list right now of people I believe the world would be a better place without, and Trump and Putin would most definitely be on it. I finished watching a three-part Channel 4 documentary on Putin earlier today. His is an amazing story and it was great television. Seriously evil bastard, though. Death for him tomorrow wouldn't be too soon as far as I'm concerned, but it would be too late for plenty of the political opponents he's had murdered.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

I have only ever voted Labour.

A lot of the time I prefer to listen than talk. Sometimes though, something boils my piss enough for me to engage.

Everyone has an opinion.
Yours typically seems to be without nuance.
And repetitive.
And authoritarian.

For a Heavy Metal fan...you sure come across as puritanical!

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Does that make you better than me , because you prefer to listen , rather than talk ?


Why dont you post more often , then we can get to suss out your opinion ?


It's better than swiping from the sidelines

So , what have I said that has boiled your piss ?

Let's have it

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

That’s an interesting question.

One that’s answer would vary depending on an individual’s moral compass.
Me personally, I would find it more expected but still disappointing.
How abhorrent you find a person’s political or cultural influence, obviously will be factored in.

Both leaders, while divisive seem to be popular amongst their citizens.
And one was legitimately voted in democratically.
The question could be extended to Bashar Assad, Sadam Hussein or Kim Jong-un, or roll back to tyrannical leaders of history.

The context here though is a relatively moderate conservative, democratically elected PM being wished dead after he has been taken to hospital....because of political beliefs.

Not only would it be awful for his family as well as his (I’ll) fiancé and unborn child...it would be incredibly damaging to the UK in a situation that is unprecedented in our lifetimes.

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Do you think someone who calls gay men bum boys is moderate ?

Do you think someone who says black people have watermelon smiles ......someone like you should know this is racially very offensive terminology dating back to the slavery days in the deep south ......is moderate ?

I am a bit confused here , help me out

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Or is it because of his political actions?

Personally, I hope Boris makes a full recovery. While I don't believe he's a good man, I don't believe he deserves to die right now either. Leaving any sentiment aside, I think it will be interesting to see how he approaches politics, his leadership and life in general if and when he does recover.

That said, I could make a list right now of people I believe the world would be a better place without, and Trump and Putin would most definitely be on it. I finished watching a three-part Channel 4 documentary on Putin earlier today. His is an amazing story and it was great television. Seriously evil bastard, though. Death for him tomorrow wouldn't be too soon as far as I'm concerned, but it would be too late for plenty of the political opponents he's had murdered.

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The Russian mafia make Al Capone look like a clown with silly shoes

Let's be honest , the Russians are hard bastards

It's in their make up

Read anything about the battle of stalingrad , they just never gave up

Add this generic never say die nature to corruption and lawlessness and you have got a lethal cocktail

Previous Russian leaders and Putin keep a lid on things but putin likes to keep his hand in shall we say

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The Russian mafia make Al Capone look like a clown with silly shoes

Let's be honest , the Russians are hard bastards

It's in their make up

Read anything about the battle of stalingrad , they just never gave up

Add this generic never say die nature to corruption and lawlessness and you have got a lethal cocktail

Previous Russian leaders and Putin keep a lid on things but putin likes to keep his hand in shall we say

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Thats what I meant about him popping off, (or being popped off) unexpectedly. There would be a turf war that would make anything else look like childrens hour and it could destabalise the country and the region if the wrong side won. (and the nasty one normally do)

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Thats what I meant about him popping off, (or being popped off) unexpectedly. There would be a turf war that would make anything else look like childrens hour and it could destabalise the country and the region if the wrong side won. (and the nasty one normally do)

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Russias history is of instability , it's just the way it is

It was even worse until the smaller states split off

The Ukraine is a tough place

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Russias history is of instability , it's just the way it is

It was even worse until the smaller states split off

The Ukraine is a tough place

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Aand chetchna apparently lol

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Or is it because of his political actions?

Personally, I hope Boris makes a full recovery. While I don't believe he's a good man, I don't believe he deserves to die right now either. Leaving any sentiment aside, I think it will be interesting to see how he approaches politics, his leadership and life in general if and when he does recover.

That said, I could make a list right now of people I believe the world would be a better place without, and Trump and Putin would most definitely be on it. I finished watching a three-part Channel 4 documentary on Putin earlier today. His is an amazing story and it was great television. Seriously evil bastard, though. Death for him tomorrow wouldn't be too soon as far as I'm concerned, but it would be too late for plenty of the political opponents he's had murdered.

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I don’t think Boris has been involved long enough or deeply enough to warrant the same rancor as the two mentioned above.
Maybe his position on Brexit....but again the nation voted democratically.

Putin is as frightening as they come to me.
That being said, some countries can be better off under such regimes like and fragment into worse situations without them (Years after Tito and Hussein spring to mind).

I’m a sympathetic isolationist nowadays as far as policing the world goes.

I’m not sure what to say about Trump.

I campaigned for Obama, had lunch in the West Wing and admire him still.
I do know that I trusted Hillary less than Trump.
I think that Trump genuinely cares about the US is trying to bring manufacturing back and wants to interfere less as a “Global Policeman”.
He’s most certainly unstatesmanlike and quite worrying with his Twitter rhetoric.

I get to vote in this years Presidential election For the first time and I probably won’t.

General politics have become way too intersectional and that’s why popularism is winning.

In my opinion anyway.

BTW...Thank you for sending me the Joe Dwyer book a good few years ago!