A challenge to Organ Morgan

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

We'd gone? I'm sure I read a post of yours recently in which you stated you're resident in Sweden. Should have been you'd... or are you fibbing and really living somewhere like Caerphilly?

Why are you so interested in UK lockdowns? If you are as concerned over the Covid-19 threat as you make out then why remain in a country that has no social distancing and all the rest of it? Are you suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome, or are you considerably less intelligent than I had thought?

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I realise shoehorning "Stockholm Syndrome" into a claim I'm in Sweden is quite amusing, but I'm not in Sweden and have never claimed to be. So maybe you might want to find evidence to back your claim...

The only "in Sweden" reference I'd ever love to make would be "in Swedish womens beach volleyball team" but that's never going to happen.

I can only hope that your realisation you were wrong might lead you to question your correctness on other things too.

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

I realise shoehorning "Stockholm Syndrome" into a claim I'm in Sweden is quite amusing, but I'm not in Sweden and have never claimed to be. So maybe you might want to find evidence to back your claim...

The only "in Sweden" reference I'd ever love to make would be "in Swedish womens beach volleyball team" but that's never going to happen.

I can only hope that your realisation you were wrong might lead you to question your correctness on other things too.

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Apologies. I had corrected myself further up. Mistook your post for ITK's. It's all these youtube vids I watch, they're weakening my eyesight and addling what's left of my brain (as you keep reminding me).

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Originally Posted by Baloo

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/...sarah-gilbert/

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Interesting, :thumbup: would you volunteer (if you had contracted CV) to help accelerate her programme? I wouldn',t but
would try hydroxychloroquine as it has current approval for treatment of other infections. I would prefer a tablet type drug
to suppress like e.g. paracetamol and give the amount of time required to produce a better Vaccine not an 80% one.

Would you bend over, or take in the arm Gates Vaccine ? In time i don't think we'll have a choice!!

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

She puts chances of success at 80%. That isn't a high figure, but the press have gone ahead and inflated its chances.

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Bit more expert insight here: https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/e...sarah-gilbert/

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Interesting, :thumbup: would you volunteer (if you had contracted CV) to help accelerate her programme? I wouldn',t but
would try hydroxychloroquine as it has current approval for treatment of other infections. I would prefer a tablet type drug
to suppress like e.g. paracetamol and give the amount of time required to produce a better Vaccine not an 80% one.

Would you bend over, or take in the arm Gates Vaccine ? In time i don't think we'll have a choice!!

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I’d probably ask for medical advice rather than think I can figure it out myself.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Well, it's plain it's in the context as was explicitly stated, the lesser of two evils and better than reducing the economy to a smoking ruin.

Can you imagine what that would look like? Desperate people commit violent crimes. Once every business premises had been looted, or too well guarded by the military (as Martial Law would have been enforced by then), gangs would form to kick in the doors of their neighbours to rob them and Christ knows what else.

It's great to bang on about saving lives by doing what has never been done before holds far greater risks (my opinion) but few are prepared to consider what life would become for themselves and theirs with a shell of an economy. Do you think you'll be sat at home unemployed with a stoic stiff upper lip with the power grid either down or outages every day and afraid to venture out in search of food?

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I think you’re living in a world of fear created by spending too much time on the Internet tbh.

I think this fear is why you have to put so much stock in everything being a conspiracy because the fact it could all just be a huge **** up poorly managed would be too much.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Interesting, :thumbup: would you volunteer (if you had contracted CV) to help accelerate her programme? I wouldn',t but
would try hydroxychloroquine as it has current approval for treatment of other infections. I would prefer a tablet type drug
to suppress like e.g. paracetamol and give the amount of time required to produce a better Vaccine not an 80% one.

Would you bend over, or take in the arm Gates Vaccine ? In time i don't think we'll have a choice!!

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Hydroxychloroquine treats many things but mostly lupus. Auto immune patients could be screwed if existing stocks instead used for vaccine.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I meant to add that I found therapy not only useful but pretty much essential while I was suffering with mental problems a few years ago. In my opinion, based on some of the things you've said on this board lately, you really should consider it.

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Wow... This thread blew up in 24 hours since I last looked....

This is an unfortunate response though... you seem to be wearing mental illness as some badge of honour and you’re able to spot it in others

Sorry you experienced it, but not your finest hour to make an assertion on the mental state of someone else.... surely that’s personal.

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

This is an unfortunate response though... you seem to be wearing mental illness as some badge of honour and you’re able to spot it in others

Sorry you experienced it, but not your finest hour to make an assertion on the mental state of someone else.... surely that’s personal.

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Dear me.....

Do you think there’s a chance - just a possibility - that you may be taking this message board and the people who post on it a shade too seriously?

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

Wow... This thread blew up in 24 hours since I last looked....

This is an unfortunate response though... you seem to be wearing mental illness as some badge of honour and you’re able to spot it in others

Sorry you experienced it, but not your finest hour to make an assertion on the mental state of someone else.... surely that’s personal.

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I didn't take those remarks to heart. It was plainly a circuitous dig to further advance his theory, which others seem to share, that I'm in need of professional counselling. I Find it amusing actually as it's over two decades since I've attended a doctor's appointment, am not in receipt of any prescribed medication and the last time I took a couple of panadol tablets was over a year ago to ease an aching back. I also kip soundly each night. The problem with him and the others is they dislike my Covid-19 posts as they run contrary to what the telly drills into their skulls every time they turn on the news. I compared myself to Goldstein from 1984 the other day and them as angry, snarling and hopelessly brainwashed cinema punters. That upset them as well. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I didn't take those remarks to heart.

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Good.

Here’s a question for you: as you regard yourself as a Covid-19 sceptic and you are opposed to the measures which are currently in operation, are you observing them nonetheless or are you going about your daily business as usual? If the latter is the case, what are you doing in opposition to the social distancing and quarantine guidelines?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think you’re living in a world of fear created by spending too much time on the Internet tbh.

I think this fear is why you have to put so much stock in everything being a conspiracy because the fact it could all just be a huge **** up poorly managed would be too much.

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World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.

The above I was about to leave as is for my reply as bait to lure you or one of several other candidates to quote and claim as more evidence of my fevered imagination. Those words would read that way to someone such as you who will always choose to remain as a coincidence theorist because it's far more comfortable to idly accept at face value what corporate tells you.

The first paragraph was written by the late British politician Denis Healey. He was much more than someone who held various government ministerial posts. I'd be amazed if anyone described him as a conspiracy theorist, and yet if you read the quote carefully he went further than I do.

I find walking down the street in a godflesh t shirt gives me all the social distancing I need

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Good.

Here’s a question for you: as you regard yourself as a Covid-19 sceptic and you are opposed to the measures which are currently in operation, are you observing them nonetheless or are you going about your daily business as usual? If the latter is the case, what are you doing in opposition to the social distancing and quarantine guidelines?

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Yes, I am observing them.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.

The above I was about to leave as is for my reply as bait to lure you or one of several other candidates to quote and claim as more evidence of my fevered imagination. Those words would read that way to someone such as you who will always choose to remain as a coincidence theorist because it's far more comfortable to idly accept at face value what corporate tells you.

The first paragraph was written by the late British politician Denis Healey. He was much more than someone who held various government ministerial posts. I'd be amazed if anyone described him as a conspiracy theorist, and yet if you read the quote carefully he went further than I do.

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The intellectual self importance of a man that 3 weeks ago was insisting confidently that not a single non Asian would die from the virus :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Dear me.....

Do you think there’s a chance - just a possibility - that you may be taking this message board and the people who post on it a shade too seriously?

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Don’t take it seriously at all... take it or leave it for days at a time and don’t really give it a moments thought unless I’m bored. I generally use it for entertainment but am also happy to learn from some smart people at times.

I take exception to some things but trust me it has no personal impact on me whatsoever (as I suspect it doesn’t you either)

I went through this thread though as I found the OP was attempting to provoke a reaction from Organ and I was intrigued to see how it panned out... he asked you multiple times for your perspective but he got nothing of substance back..

My conclusion... He’s too smart for you 😜 but that’s probably not making him feel that special is my guess

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Originally Posted by delmbox

The intellectual self importance of a man that 3 weeks ago was insisting confidently that not a single non Asian would die from the virus :facepalm:

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Oh feck, you again! Try and cobble something together that adds to the discussion rather than revert to your default self of an obsequious oik.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I find walking down the street in a godflesh t shirt gives me all the social distancing I need

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You are given an even wider berth on those rare barmy summer days when you strip your top half down to that Pot Noodle stained vest which doesn't half pong.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Yes, I am observing them.

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So you describe the people who are observing the guidelines as unquestioning drones while observing them yourself. Don’t you consider that a shade hypocritical?

Are you saying that, in real terms, the only material difference between the way you’re reacting to the current situation and the way in which the majority of people are reacting is that you’re posting about global conspiracies on a football message board?

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

I went through this thread though as I found the OP was attempting to provoke a reaction from Organ and I was intrigued to see how it panned out... he asked you multiple times for your perspective but he got nothing of substance back.

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My perspective is extremely simple. I believe we are currently experiencing the kind of pandemic that scientists and medical experts have been expressing fears about for decades, and the authorities are bumbling along while attempting to deal with it as best they can. It’s a horrible situation and a very difficult one for which the country and the world in general were woefully underprepared, but it’s no more complicated than that as far as I’m concerned.

OM knows that’s my perspective. I’ve never suggested it’s anything different. That’s why he’s been labelling me as an unquestioning drone and a gullible dullard, etc.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

So you describe the people who are observing the guidelines as unquestioning drones while observing them yourself. Don’t you consider that a shade hypocritical?

Are you saying that, in real terms, the only material difference between the way you’re reacting to the current situation and the way in which the majority of people are reacting is that you’re posting about global conspiracies on a football message board?

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I've observed them because I haven't had reason not to. Had I, I would have.

I'm furious about the restrictions. More so as correctly or otherwise I believe the Plandemic is an outright hoax.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I've observed them because I haven't had reason not to. Had I, I would have.

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That’s convenient. No friends you’ve fancied visiting in recent weeks? Nobody you’ve fancied inviting over? Nowhere you’ve fancied going? Nothing you’ve fancied doing? Nothing like that?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

That’s convenient. No friends you’ve fancied visiting in recent weeks? Nobody you’ve fancied inviting over? Nowhere you’ve fancied going? Nothing you’ve fancied doing? Nothing like that?

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Crikey, are you conducting a survey there? If I wanted to visit Cardiff for a bottle of milk instead of the shop a 90 second stroll away I would in spite of that being against guidance. The primary reason I haven't is I'm too tight to cough for the train fare, not because of the guidance.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Crikey, are you conducting a survey there?

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No, I was just interested to learn how a Covid-19 sceptic is dealing with this situation by comparison to all of the unquestioning drones and gullible dullards. It appears there’s actually no difference.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

No, I was just interested to learn how a Covid-19 sceptic is dealing with this situation by comparison to all of the unquestioning drones and gullible dullards. It appears there’s actually no difference.

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Boy, you really (really, really) didn't take kindly to being dismissed as gullible, did you?! You like dishing out remarks (lunatic, in this instance) but don't appreciate receiving the pointy end of a size 10 winklepicker as a reward. We'll have to resume this duel another day.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I've observed them because I haven't had reason not to. Had I, I would have.

I'm furious about the restrictions. More so as correctly or otherwise I believe the Plandemic is an outright hoax.

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Let's say it is a hoax. Who is orchestrating the hoax? How many people do you think would be needed to carry that out?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I've observed them because I haven't had reason not to. Had I, I would have.

I'm furious about the restrictions. More so as correctly or otherwise I believe the Plandemic is an outright hoax.

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If it’s a hoax what have 10,000 people in the U.K. died of?

And have you really had nothing better to do for the last 6 weeks? Are you accidentally adhering to lock down?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Boy, you really (really, really) didn't take kindly to being dismissed as gullible, did you?! You like dishing out remarks (lunatic, in this instance) but don't appreciate receiving the pointy end of a size 10 winklepicker as a reward. We'll have to resume this duel another day.

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It's his defence mechanism. In response to anyone holding a viewpoint different from his own, his primitive reaction is to attack the person rather than the viewpoint. Once you establish that, you realise you're dealing with little more than an emotionally immature fifty-something.

For his own sake, I'm putting him on ignore.

I can't really believe that people want OM to elaborate on why he thinks this is a hoax. Move the **** away from the keypad!

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Boy, you really (really, really) didn't take kindly to being dismissed as gullible, did you?! You like dishing out remarks (lunatic, in this instance) but don't appreciate receiving the pointy end of a size 10 winklepicker as a reward. We'll have to resume this duel another day.

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Duel? You've had another leathering here.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Duel? You've had another leathering here.

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I don't know who is at the end of this farce. Organ or the people entertaining it. Mind you, i suppose entertainment is at a premium for some at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Oh feck, you again! Try and cobble something together that adds to the discussion rather than revert to your default self of an obsequious oik.

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Yeah yeah blah blah, am I wrong in what I said?

[QUOTE=tell it like it is;5064780]Yeah, Icke picked up the whole "reptile" bit from Nazi paintings depicting Jews as lizards. Kinda sad that these TRUTHERS who believe the conspiracies are unable to look behind the facade of the conspiracy and see the real message.

That's an interesting last point you make. I'd take it one step further and say conspiracy theorists failing to check the validity of their latest belief is akin to getting a virus and not having it treated.[/QUOTE

Poor Jews get dragged into so many posts , no wonder they feel have a persecution worries .

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Let's say it is a hoax. Who is orchestrating the hoax? How many people do you think would be needed to carry that out?

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Not people , Lizards thousands of them , even Jewish ones , they are everywhere ,honest.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Poor Jews get dragged into so many posts , no wonder they feel have a persecution worries .

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This guy posts about 5000 weird posts a week like this with no response. What is the point?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Crikey, are you conducting a survey there? If I wanted to visit Cardiff for a bottle of milk instead of the shop a 90 second stroll away I would in spite of that being against guidance. The primary reason I haven't is I'm too tight to cough for the train fare, not because of the guidance.

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Either you always live as a miserly hermit (possible) or the primary reason you have stayed home for weeks is faithfully observing the lockdown.

We’ve gone from saying Asians have inferior jeans to denying the Holocaust but following the rules of a lockdown you don’t agree with because you’ve had no plans for 6 weeks is the last thing I expected to read.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

We’ve gone from saying Asians have inferior jeans to denying the Holocaust but following the rules of a lockdown you don’t agree with because you’ve had no plans for 6 weeks is the last thing I expected to read.

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Perhaps they can’t afford Levi’s :hehe:

Damn it :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Boy, you really (really, really) didn't take kindly to being dismissed as gullible, did you?!

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Oh come on, you know as well as I do that I've been called far, far worse on here on countless occasions over the years. Being dismissed as gullible is tame by comparison. Being mistaken for CCFCC3PO was far more offensive.

The truth is that, to some extent, I am an unquestioning drone where Covid-19 is concerned. To be honest, I haven't studied the situation in any great detail at all. I've watched a couple of documentaries, a few press conferences and the 6 o'clock news most days, read a handful of articles on the BBC news pages and that's about it. The only other information I've been getting is from a couple of friends who live on the banks of Lake Como in Lombardy, Northern Italy, and have therefore been in a full-on lockdown situation since the first week of March.

As I've said before on several occasions, my perspective on this situation is extremely simple. I believe we are currently experiencing the kind of pandemic that scientists and medical experts have been warning us about for decades, and the authorities all over the world are attempting to deal with it as best they can while making numerous mistakes and errors of judgement.

The irony is that, from what you have said, it seems you're following the lockdown protocols more studiously than I am.