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I think this COBRA thing makes people think of all kinds of secret clandestine things.
COBRA simply stands for Cabinet Office Briefing Room A.
I wouldn't be surprised if some meetings were in COBRB or COBRC but no one would think that was serious. lol
Are the Welsh Assembly and Scottish Govt. privy to all of the info at these meetings and the ones that warned that the Govt. needed to stockpile PPE etc? That's what I was getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
But since you've mentioned it, and I barely know anything about the subject, do the leaders usually miss 5 COBRA meetings - as has been reported?
This has been discussed to death, during things like this the primeminister attends COBRA meetings. Even Brown attended COBRA meetings during SARS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
My point is that the stories coming out are making a lot of the public critical of the Govts. lack of preparation to the pandemic and whether they took it seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I want to know if the devolved Govts. had the same information that Westminster did in order to prepare. If they did, then they need to be criticised for the same reasons.
He also chaired meetings about a threatened foot and mouth disease epidemic apparently - for me, the thing about Johnson's five missed meetings is that they only serve to confirm what many suspected of him. He and Cameron are trimmers, not details men, and as someone who often gets into trouble when using a new piece of technology for the first time or when assembling some piece of furniture or another because I just read the first couple of pages of the manual/instructions and then assume I know everything that's required, believe me, I know a trimmer when I see one :hehe:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Yes and yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Like the head of any big organisation Boris is a big picture generalist.....a General Manager. He doesn't need to know the detail in the manual because he has expert advisors who know the manual inside out. Now Gordon Brown was a detail man, set in his ways, and methods, but he couldn't see the finished jigsaw because he was too busy looking at each piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9483291.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Just to confirm, the devolved Govts. got this info and all relevant warnings before it/they were leaked?
Edit: and there's a precedent before BJ for PMs missing 5 consecutive COBRA meetings?
None of the big corporations I've worked for had anyone who conducted themselves like Boris Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
He comes across as winging it 90% of the time. A total chancer who has only got to where he is because of the school he went to.
If they didn't know Drakeford and Sturgeon will be making some noise. If they stay silent then I'd bet that they did knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Exactly, Boris Johnson is completely the wrong person for the job he faces at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
He's probably better than Theresa May who reports suggest tended to get bogged down by the detail. But, in reality it's probably Matt Hancock that is running the show with Boris conveying the pretence he is in charge. I agree with the comment that Boris is probably winging it 90% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think Boris is winging it 90% of the time also.
Interesting viewpoint. Guilty by their silence... I think I'd be saying the same thing though, so can't argue with you there.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
There appears to br plenty of folk in this thread who seem to know it all. Wasted on a football MB.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I have just finished watching the French Prime Minister, Edouard Phillipe, addressing the Deputies in the French Assembly. He spoke for an hour with authority and clarity, outlining the next stages on how they will come out of lockdown. Amongst other things, he said that he could have done all this via a Press Conference but felt it was important to give the Deputies the chance to comment and disagree. He is not a showman and as I listened to him I found myself thinking who amongst our current crop of politicians, on either side, could give a similar address and, frankly, I couldn't think of anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Come on then, tell me what there is in Boris Johnson's career so far to suggest he will be the man to inspire and lead the country out of the current crisis?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I totally agree with your 'total chancer' comment, Rjk, that nicely sums Boris up for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Yes, I'd say he would be better than Theresa May, because, although I don't understand why, I think he is able to inspire people to a certain degree. To be fair to him, he is being tested in a way that no Prime Minister has been tested in decades, but, for me, he needs to be a far more rounded politician to take the country with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
“Boris is a big picture genaralist...” ****inell:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
The only picture he see’s is himself, the massive ****wit.
Even taking everything into consideration Boris is the worst Prime Minister in my time and I would be surprised if he was not the worst Prime Minister ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Imagine being a fan of and liking Boris Johnson ****ing hell.
Shocking how serville to the toffs a lot of the welsh really are.
Has he bothered turning up to todays briefing?
Yes indeed it is shocking how servile a lot of Welsh people are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
The oppressed are allowed, once every few years, to decide which members of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.
Karl Marx
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Originally Posted by trampie09
I say that as a total chancer, who is winging it 90% of the time though
Wow, I think I've stumbled upon the Cardiff Branch of the Tooting Popular Front. Power to the People !!
Wolfie Smith Speed and Co could do better than Boris and Hancock and the Wolfies girlfriends mother definitely better than Whateley.😃Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Wolfie Smith Speed and Co could do better than Boris and Hancock and Wolfies girlfriends mother definitely better than Whateley.😃Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
They have just stated on BBC 6 o'clock news that "Nicola Sturgeon has access to the same scientific advice as the UK Government"Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Yes I think there are representatives from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland in the Covid 19 meetings, not the mayor of London though.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
However, only a representative from one of the countries was recently advocating shaking hands with people with the virus.
That doesn't sound good.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
They were talking about her advising people about wearing face masks, and when questioned basically she said it isn't government advice but she thinks it might be a good idea. Got help the Scots!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Why ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
The UK Government has followed Nicola Sturgeon's lead during this crisis, they wait to see what Sturgeon does then they follow her.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Fair play you do talk some bollox lol
i'd love to know where you got the glasses you look at this world through. :hehe:
Because that implies that the Welsh Assembly do too, and I haven't given them as harsh a time as the UK govt. for their response.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Although, I do still think that the UK govt. have f**ked up on a grander scale as they are the main decision makers and the main source of funding for the nation as a whole.
What are you going to disagree with now? I haven't slagged off the English enough for your liking in my post, so I'm sure you'll find some fault.
On March 12th Nicola Sturgeon advised that gatherings over 500 people should be cancelled to free up emergency services, four days later Boris did something similar, it was widely speculated that he followed her lead due to mounting pressure that he had it wrong and she had it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
On 17 March Scotland announced there would be no new jury trials in Scotland, on 23 March England followed suit.
18 March Scotland announced schools and colleges were closing, England followed suit but some hours later.
"Widely speculated", must be a fact then.
I've no idea why Sturgeon would want no jury trials, no clue whatsoever... bit late though.
I thought the schools issue was it was going to be announce, Sturgeon gave the info out early to make herself look good.
haven't read through the whole thread but isn't he the only leader of a country to get infected? wuckfit !