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08-05-20, 08:30
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Are you saying a centralised system is free from GDPR rules?

What do you mean 'free from'? In breach of? Entirely possible. Governments **** up and break their own rules all the time.
08-05-20, 08:32
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

However you still fail to answer why we needed our own instead of it using something tried and tested. This has nothing to do with politics. Had Labour in Cardiff bay decided to have their own app and waste money on that when there's a perfectly good option already working that would be more beneficial, I'd have called them mad.

Are the other apps really tried and tested? This is all in its infancy. Let's say they used the Apple/Google app - you know full well they'd have been slaughtered by the same people slaughtering them for this app. "Government sells our data to big corporates" etc etc. Whichever way they try to track and trace was always going to be beset by a "They're tracking us man" attitude. Initially the seeds of discourse were spread by the very people questioning the logic of a lockdown. It has snowballed from there.
08-05-20, 08:37
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Again, the question is what data is collected in addition to the ones already known about?

The question is whether it is completely anonymised. The tweet I posted above (and countless others I have seen) seem to indicate that it might not be. If it isn't then gdpr rules still apply and the CEO of nhsx not being able to tell us who has access to the data makes it a non-starter.

Have you asked yourself why they didn't go the other direction? A purely contact tracing app based on the dp-3t protocol? Why was threatening the integrity and therefore success of the app worth having postcode data on self-diagnosed symptomatic users.
08-05-20, 08:38
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

What do you mean 'free from'? In breach of? Entirely possible. Governments **** up and break their own rules all the time.

It's entirely possible that they may breach GDPR. It's entirely possible they may not. The Sourcecode has been available for 15 hours, has been tested by Pen Testing groups, and I haven't seen anything yet that rings alarm bells. But, because some people who have IT qualifications suggest it is completely vulnerable to attack and abuse (before seeing the sourcecode) - we must believe them because of their qualifications? That is flawed.

Hopefully these qualified people that you rely so heavily on (despite not knowing anything of their past, I've looked at a few of your Twitter links and can see these people, historically, cry foul with practically every Government app) can use their skills to pinpoint the elements of code that prove that they are getting access to data in addition to that which is wilfully supplied. Once they've done that, I'll take a look and probably decide not to download the app if it is too intrusive. Can't say fairer than that now.
08-05-20, 08:40
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Are the other apps really tried and tested? This is all in its infancy. Let's say they used the Apple/Google app - you know full well they'd have been slaughtered by the same people slaughtering them for this app. "Government sells our data to big corporates" etc etc. Whichever way they try to track and trace was always going to be beset by a "They're tracking us man" attitude. Initially the seeds of discourse were spread by the very people questioning the logic of a lockdown. It has snowballed from there.

Except none of that is true. All of the opposition from experts in cs, data and privacy that I have seen has been built around a constructive wish that the government changes course and adopts the decentralised approach.
08-05-20, 08:41
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Whichever way they try to track and trace was always going to be beset by a "They're tracking us man" attitude.

So, according to your own words, absolutely no reason why we needed our own app and waste money on it. Why do we need our own app?
08-05-20, 08:42
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

The question is whether it is completely anonymised. The tweet I posted above (and countless others I have seen) seem to indicate that it might not be. If it isn't then gdpr rules still apply and the CEO of nhsx not being able to tell us who has access to the data makes it a non-starter.

Have you asked yourself why they didn't go the other direction? A purely contact tracing app based on the dp-3t protocol? Why was threatening the integrity and therefore success of the app worth having postcode data on self-diagnosed symptomatic users.

It "might not be" anonymised. The sourcecode is now available and that will soon be proven or disproven I suppose.

As for the postcode data being collected - they ask for the first half of your postcode. Mine is NP10. Now you know who I am!

On the dp-3t protocol - this has also sparked uproar in Europe for privacy concerns. Maybe the App developers were acting on that response?
08-05-20, 08:43
Heisenberg

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Wow, Lone Gunman, what a marvellous sacrifice you are making. It puts my partner, who works in a care home and has twice developed symptoms, to complete shame. My partner was complaining about being paid just £95 for the recent week off waiting for a test result. I'll ask my partner to donate the £95 to the Lone Gunman statue fund that must surely now be gaining pace.

Like you said, "If everyone did what I am doing the virus would be gone by now". I apologise for paraphrasing, as I am sure you will apologise for being completely unscientific. But, let's just analyse that for a moment. If everyone was going to work, as you are doing, then keeping 2m apart would be impossible.

You also said "I am putting myself at risk without putting others in danger". I questioned the logic of that. It appears I was wrong to do so. I would also be equally wrong to suggest that boycotting Cardiff matches from the Bob Bank is daft, in fact it shows your complete brilliance of thinking outside the box. I think it is absolutely amazing how, in your dealings with security guards, workmen, courier drivers and so on, that you are not putting them at risk whilst, at the same time, being at risk from them. I will call Imperial College first thing on Monday to tell them of this latest development, that somehow you have discovered that the virus only travels in one direction, and that is towards you.

If we could simply isolate you, then the virus would be ****ed. It wouldn't know where to go. It would probably decide to kill itself, such would be its state of melancholy from not being able to get to you.

I am eternally grateful that you spent time discussing the topic with mere mortals.

And, you know what, you are right. I HAVE been spending much of the lockdown at home. I wouldn't say I am "hiding" behind a computer screen all day, but I do have more time on my hands as a result of there being less work (and less pay), but hey - that is by the by now I know that a loss of money is nothing compared to the sacrifices you are making daily. But, I have taken your advice and as soon as my partner comes home from their night shift at a covid riddled care home, we're going to head on out there. Obviously, we'll be keeping our 2m distance from others. And, this app, yep again you are right. Nobody is going to download it, so why should we? Who, in the general public, would want to be alerted come the expected day of my partner getting covid-19 and the likely chance that they have come into contact with us as we exercise extreme 2m social distancing and get out and about there.

Thank-you The Lone Gunman. On Thursday we clapped for the NHS. Tonight, we're all going to clap for you. It'll be emotional.

Well, I never expected to see you turn on TLG so quickly after all of the sucking up we saw you do during rebrand/boycotting years you spent on here together.

It must be like meeting your hero and them ignoring you - so you start to resent them and slag them off due to the hurt that they've caused you.

Sad (as in 'pitiful') and hilarious in equal measure.
08-05-20, 08:45
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

So, according to your own words, absolutely no reason why we needed our own app and waste money on it. Why do we need our own app?

Are those my own words? Or, are those my misinterpreted words?

The other protocol in use has sparked privacy fears and warnings in Europe. I am merely acknowledging that whichever app path they decided to go down, they would have been met by the same resistance and from the exact same group of people.

For example, would Eric Cartman download the app if suddenly the app developers said "We are moving to a decentralised system"?
08-05-20, 08:49
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

It "might not be" anonymised. The sourcecode is now available and that will soon be proven or disproven I suppose.

As for the postcode data being collected - they ask for the first half of your postcode. Mine is NP10. Now you know who I am!

On the dp-3t protocol - this has also sparked uproar in Europe for privacy concerns. Maybe the App developers were acting on that response?

The source code of the app/client side is available but not the server side.
08-05-20, 08:50
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Are those my own words? Or, are those my misinterpreted words?

The other protocol in use has sparked privacy fears and warnings in Europe. I am merely acknowledging that whichever app path they decided to go down, they would have been met by the same resistance and from the exact same group of people.

For example, would Eric Cartman download the app if suddenly the app developers said "We are moving to a decentralised system"?

You've said whichever path they went down, they would have been met by the same resistance. That's pretty much what you said in your earlier reply to me. In other words, regardless of what app was offered, the same people would have had concerns.

So why did we bother? What was the point in wasting money on it? I'm still nonethewiser.
08-05-20, 08:54
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Well, I never expected to see you turn on TLG so quickly after all of the sucking up we saw you do during rebrand/boycotting years you spent on here together.

It must be like meeting your hero and them ignoring you - so you start to resent them and slag them off due to the hurt that they've caused you.

Sad (as in 'pitiful') and hilarious in equal measure.

This probably makes more sense to you than it does to me, I think it comes from the quirky nature of this board where everyone usually agrees but, if someone disagrees, then they must be the exact same person who disagreed with us the last time. It stems from the fact I have not been following Cardiff fortunes closely recently because of long standing family issues.

Regardless, this isn't me "turning" on anyone. It's me pointing out the lack of critical thinking being applied in the flat refusal to download an app. You, like the Lone Gunman, can turn it into an ad hominem attack if you like. You both have the same habit of popping up in threads and taking them off topic. If I applied the same primary school level of critical thinking that you have applied to me, I would come to the natural conclusion that you and The Lone Gunman are the exact same people. I mean, it really isn't possible for more than one person to disagree with us is it?

Hopefully your next post in this thread is on topic because I wouldn't want to ignore yet another person (or maybe the same person) for trolling.
08-05-20, 08:54
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

You've said whichever path they went down, they would have been met by the same resistance. That's pretty much what you said in your earlier reply to me. In other words, regardless of what app was offered, the same people would have had concerns.

So why did we bother? What was the point in wasting money on it? I'm still nonethewiser.

Are you suggesting that Governments stop doing things because of little pockets of resistance? How would Government even function?
08-05-20, 08:55
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

The source code of the app/client side is available but not the server side.

The data will be obtained by the app.
08-05-20, 09:06
Heisenberg

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

This probably makes more sense to you than it does to me, I think it comes from the quirky nature of this board where everyone usually agrees but, if someone disagrees, then they must be the exact same person who disagreed with us the last time. It stems from the fact I have not been following Cardiff fortunes closely recently because of long standing family issues.

Regardless, this isn't me "turning" on anyone. It's me pointing out the lack of critical thinking being applied in the flat refusal to download an app. You, like the Lone Gunman, can turn it into an ad hominem attack if you like. You both have the same habit of popping up in threads and taking them off topic. If I applied the same primary school level of critical thinking that you have applied to me, I would come to the natural conclusion that you and The Lone Gunman are the exact same people. I mean, it really isn't possible for more than one person to disagree with us is it?

Hopefully your next post in this thread is on topic because I wouldn't want to ignore yet another person (or maybe the same person) for trolling.

Ok Jirga :hehe:
08-05-20, 09:22
The Lone Gunman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Wow, Lone Gunman, what a marvellous sacrifice you are making.

I'm not making any sacrifice whatsoever and haven't made any claims to be doing so. On the contrary, my current working arrangements suit me just fine as I'd be bored out of my brains if I was sat at home all day every day. That would definitely have a negative effect on my mental health.

Like you said, "If everyone did what I am doing the virus would be gone by now". I apologise for paraphrasing, as I am sure you will apologise for being completely unscientific. But, let's just analyse that for a moment. If everyone was going to work, as you are doing, then keeping 2m apart would be impossible.

I obviously didn't mean the virus would be eliminated within a few months if everyone was still going to work. I meant the virus would be eliminated within a few months if everyone had behaved in the same manner that I've been behaving in terms of social distancing. But you obviously knew that's exactly what I meant.

You also said "I am putting myself at risk without putting others in danger".

I said: "I've not put a single person in any kind of danger and I've put myself in harm's way on a regular basis so that more than forty of my colleagues can work from home throughout the lockdown."

I questioned the logic of that. It appears I was wrong to do so.

You were.

I would also be equally wrong to suggest that boycotting Cardiff matches from the Bob Bank is daft, in fact it shows your complete brilliance of thinking outside the box.

You would. If I was boycotting Cardiff City matches from the Bob Bank that would indeed be daft. For starters, it would be impossible as the Bob Bank was demolished in 2009. The fact is that I boycotted Cardiff City matches from July 2012 until January 2015 while the team was playing it's home games in a red kit. I haven't boycotted any matches since. I just haven't been to very many.

I think it is absolutely amazing how, in your dealings with security guards, workmen, courier drivers and so on, that you are not putting them at risk whilst, at the same time, being at risk from them.

I've not been at any risk from the majority of them. However, unfortunately there are some individuals who seemingly cannot grasp the 2-metre social distancing idea at all. I've dealt with plenty of those since mid-March. I've also encountered plenty of people out on the streets and on public transport who seemingly cannot understand it while I've been travelling to and from work.

I will call Imperial College first thing on Monday to tell them of this latest development, that somehow you have discovered that the virus only travels in one direction, and that is towards you. If we could simply isolate you, then the virus would be ****ed. It wouldn't know where to go. It would probably decide to kill itself, such would be its state of melancholy from not being able to get to you.

Don't be silly.

I am eternally grateful that you spent time discussing the topic with mere mortals.

A mere mortal? Well, I guess that's one way to describe you. I can think of plenty of others.

And, you know what, you are right.

Cheers.

I HAVE been spending much of the lockdown at home.

That much has been blatantly obvious for many weeks.

I wouldn't say I am "hiding" behind a computer screen all day, but I do have more time on my hands as a result of there being less work (and less pay), but hey - that is by the by now I know that a loss of money is nothing compared to the sacrifices you are making daily. But, I have taken your advice and as soon as my partner comes home from their night shift at a covid riddled care home, we're going to head on out there. Obviously, we'll be keeping our 2m distance from others.

That's sensible. A bit of fresh air will do you good. It seems like you badly need it.

And, this app, yep again you are right.

Cheers again.

Nobody is going to download it, so why should we?

Don't be daft. If it ever sees the light of day, millions of people will download the app. Also, millions won't.

Who, in the general public, would want to be alerted come the expected day of my partner getting covid-19 and the likely chance that they have come into contact with us as we exercise extreme 2m social distancing and get out and about there.

It's unlike you to present a worst-case scenario... If members of the public want to download the app, they will. If they don't, they won't. It's as simple as that, isn't it?

Thank-you The Lone Gunman.

Pleasure. Honest.

On Thursday we clapped for the NHS. Tonight, we're all going to clap for you. It'll be emotional.

I wouldn't bother if I were you. I won't hear you. Incidentally, you say "we're all going to....." So which poor ***** do you represent?

No doubt you'll respond yet again while you continue to ignore me. I'll look forward to it.

:thumbup:
08-05-20, 09:39
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

It "might not be" anonymised. The sourcecode is now available and that will soon be proven or disproven I suppose.

As for the postcode data being collected - they ask for the first half of your postcode. Mine is NP10. Now you know who I am!

On the dp-3t protocol - this has also sparked uproar in Europe for privacy concerns. Maybe the App developers were acting on that response?

You ask a shit ton of questions and demand answers from everybody else and never answer anything you are asked. This is pointless.
08-05-20, 09:42
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Are those my own words? Or, are those my misinterpreted words?

The other protocol in use has sparked privacy fears and warnings in Europe. I am merely acknowledging that whichever app path they decided to go down, they would have been met by the same resistance and from the exact same group of people.

For example, would Eric Cartman download the app if suddenly the app developers said "We are moving to a decentralised system"?

He's got the crystal ball out now.

Much more likely to download if they move to the decentralised protocol
08-05-20, 09:44
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Are you suggesting that Governments stop doing things because of little pockets of resistance? How would Government even function?

After 4 failed attempts to get an answer, only to be met by further questions and attempts to confuse matters and be argumentative by yourself, I'll bow out at this point, before I get the hair dryer treatment. There's only so much banging of head against a wall I'll do.
08-05-20, 09:47
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

The data will be obtained by the app.

What is your qualification to speak as an authority on this?

I have spent taken my lead from academics and qualified people to help me decide whether I support the UK app or not. Now, that might be flawed but I haven't seen you cite anything other than official government literature which I think is at least equally flawed considering the attack on privacy of the last few years.
08-05-20, 09:54
Hilts

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There is absolutely no chance whatsoever this virus would have been eliminated if wed all observed the 2 metre and social distancing rules.
Less deaths yeah.

Now if theyd acted sooner rather than that contain or control phase bollox and everyone observed the social distancing.
Then maybe it would have been controlled.

But there was disastrous leadership which has continued.
08-05-20, 10:00
Hilts

Re: This NHS app

There have been talk about firms getting contracts that have been used by Dominic Cummings.

Is this App free of Cummings connections?
08-05-20, 10:03
Eric Cartman

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

The data will be obtained by the app.

To highlight why the back end source code needs to be released I thought it best to provide an otherwise pretty neutral/complimentary take on the app.

https://reincubate.com/blog/nhs-covi...acing-details/

The key part being:

"Ultimately, the code suggests there's little technical privacy risk from using the app until such time as a user reports symptoms and contacts the NHS to arrange a test. At that point, their test result would be managed by the NHS, though this isn't any different with or without the app. However, at such time as multiple users come into contact, report symptoms and arrange tests using the identifier that the app has provided them, it may or may not be possible to centrally tie them together. That's a back-end question, and as NHSX states on their app privacy report, code is truth in this regard."
08-05-20, 10:55
delmbox

Re: This NHS app

Looks like the Government read this board https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-google-model
08-05-20, 11:32
blue matt

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by insider

Not all heroes wear capes

Good job you quoted him as he has him on ignore :hehe::hehe::hehe: how else would he bang his keyboard in such anger
08-05-20, 11:34
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Hilts

There have been talk about firms getting contracts that have been used by Dominic Cummings.

Is this App free of Cummings connections?

Shortcummings, as it were.
08-05-20, 11:43
blue matt

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Ok Jirga :hehe:

Hang on, this current account had a few more weeks to run, you have spoilt the surprise now

Attachment 3799
08-05-20, 11:50
Heisenberg

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Hang on, this current account had a few more weeks to run, you have spoilt the surprise now

Attachment 3799

Called him out on being Jirga weeks ago, Matt. He can never hide his identity for too long as he can't resist falling into his old habits.

He hates this messageboard yet can't resist crawling back every time that he's banned to get some attention... bless his cotton socks.
08-05-20, 12:43
Tuerto

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Called him out on being Jirga weeks ago, Matt. He can never hide his identity for too long as he can't resist falling into his old habits.

He hates this messageboard yet can't resist crawling back every time that he's banned to get some attention... bless his cotton socks.

Is it Jirga? Shame if it is because back in the day he was a decent poster. I agreed with him over the rebrand. I don't really know what else went on.
08-05-20, 13:18
xsnaggle

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Is it Jirga? Shame if it is because back in the day he was a decent poster. I agreed with him over the rebrand. I don't really know what else went on.

Oh yes!!!!
08-05-20, 14:12
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Good job you quoted him as he has him on ignore :hehe::hehe::hehe: how else would he bang his keyboard in such anger

Not exactly on topic is it?
08-05-20, 14:19
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Called him out on being Jirga weeks ago, Matt. He can never hide his identity for too long as he can't resist falling into his old habits.

He hates this messageboard yet can't resist crawling back every time that he's banned to get some attention... bless his cotton socks.

Again, this is based on the flawless principle that only one person can have this one emotion. I don't dislike the board, I find it highly amusing that at a time of talking of herd immunity,we get a herd mentality instead. Interestingly, I am not the only one who is accused of being, as the Beatles once sang, Some Other Guy. I often find people are quick to accuse others of behaviour they actually partake in. I think I asked if you had evidence I was Some Other Guy, but you couldn't provide anything then. Maybe you can now.

What I have asked here, a number of times, is why is the site "Not secure", and why are cookies downloaded even when users explicitly select the option to not have cookies downloaded?
08-05-20, 14:24
xsnaggle

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Again, this is based on the flawless principle that only one person can have this one emotion. I don't dislike the board, I find it highly amusing that at a time of talking of herd immunity,we get a herd mentality instead. Interestingly, I am not the only one who is accused of being, as the Beatles once sang, Some Other Guy. I often find people are quick to accuse others of behaviour they actually partake in. I think I asked if you had evidence I was Some Other Guy, but you couldn't provide anything then. Maybe you can now.

What I have asked here, a number of times, is why is the site "Not secure", and why are cookies downloaded even when users explicitly select the option to not have cookies downloaded?

Who cares enough to check? Its a football site FFS.
08-05-20, 14:36
CCFCC3PO

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Who cares enough to check? Its a football site FFS.

It's an internet site and it has to adhere to the rules that are in place. Just like the app that the grown-ups in the thread are discussing.
08-05-20, 14:42
xsnaggle

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

It's an internet site and it has to adhere to the rules that are in place. Just like the app that the grown-ups in the thread are discussing.

There you go, being insulting again. And you are the person who says there is no need for it. tut tut. Another waste of space keyboard warrior.
If you do care enough why don't you report it to the relevant authorities and have it closed down?
08-05-20, 14:47
CCFCC3PO

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

There you go, being insulting again. And you are the person who says there is no need for it. tut tut. Another waste of space keyboard warrior.
If you do care enough why don't you report it to the relevant authorities and have it closed down?

I was hoping the thread could stay on topic, it isn't difficult to do that surely? Start a new thread and ask me the question there, or send me a PM. I'll answer it there. I said the grown-ups were talking about the app, you were talking about the app earlier in the thread, ergo you are a grown up.
08-05-20, 14:50
CCFCC3PO

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Hang on, this current account had a few more weeks to run, you have spoilt the surprise now

Attachment 3799

I think this would be more apt in this case.
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08-05-20, 14:52
Tuerto

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I was hoping the thread could stay on topic, it isn't difficult to do that surely? Start a new thread and ask me the question there, or send me a PM. I'll answer it there. I said the grown-ups were talking about the app, you were talking about the app earlier in the thread, ergo you are a grown up.

Is there much more to add to this thread? (serious question) It seems that people will make their choices based on the information at hand, their lifestyles and no doubt political beliefs. You're asking the same questions in my opinion. How many answers are there?
08-05-20, 14:52
Heisenberg

Re: This NHS app

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Again, this is based on the flawless principle that only one person can have this one emotion. I don't dislike the board, I find it highly amusing that at a time of talking of herd immunity,we get a herd mentality instead. Interestingly, I am not the only one who is accused of being, as the Beatles once sang, Some Other Guy. I often find people are quick to accuse others of behaviour they actually partake in. I think I asked if you had evidence I was Some Other Guy, but you couldn't provide anything then. Maybe you can now.

What I have asked here, a number of times, is why is the site "Not secure", and why are cookies downloaded even when users explicitly select the option to not have cookies downloaded?

You think that you asked me for evidence... but you definitely didn't. Other than scouring through all of your aliases' posts to show how identical they are on tone and content (and the fact that you've got so much history of having multiple accounts on here), I can't give you anything more.

Sorry, you're not kidding anyone, Jirga. That's ok though, it's your choice to pretend you're someone else if it makes you feel better and I will stop calling you out on it if it's making you upset.

I just can't get into the mindset of someone who has repeatedly disparaged the messageboard, it's mods, a large majority of it's posters, the fans of the club which the messageboard is aimed at (and the club in general) would want to keep coming back here after being banned and pretend to be someone else. It seems like an unhealthy obsession and a bit weird, to be honest.

Like I said... If it makes you happy then carry on regardless, I'll stop calling you out.

Take care.
08-05-20, 14:53
CCFCC3PO

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

You think that you asked me for evidence... but you definitely didn't. Other than scouring through all of your aliases' posts to show how identical they are on tone and content (and the fact that you've got so much history of having multiple accounts on here), I can't give you anything more.

Sorry, you're not kidding anyone, Jirga. That's ok though, it's your choice to pretend you're someone else if it makes you feel better and I will stop calling you out on it if it's making you upset.

I just can't get into the mindset of someone who has repeatedly disparaged the messageboard, it's mods, a large majority of it's posters, the fans of the club which the messageboard is aimed at (and the club in general) would want to keep coming back here after being banned and pretend to be someone else. It seems like an unhealthy obsession and a bit weird, to be honest.

If it makes you happy then carry on regardless, I'll stop calling you out.

Take care.

So, no evidence? Apart from me and this other person both write in English? You've nailed it son.

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