London Demonstrations....

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Originally Posted by blue matt

you are clutching at straws, you really are

you dont believe that the " BLM crowd " ( if that name is easier for you to understand ) have a element who turn up for the violence ? ? ?

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They probably do have an element who wont shy away from violence, that football lot, pathetic skiddy morons who call themselves 'Lads' and seem obsessed with Nationalism, are up for trouble from the start, that's their objective because they don't have a message to deliver or any informed political beliefs. In truth, it's one of the most Homo Erotic things i've ever seen, a bunch of white blokes getting pissed and coked up and having a fight. I really believe that plenty of them are closet homosexual but because of their attitudes and beliefs they find it difficult to 'come out' Which is kind of ironic-bless.

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Originally Posted by lardy

That has bled over onto this board too. There were a lot of antifa scare stories during the unite the right rallies in Charlottesville.

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Because we have a fair few Racist entitled white blokes on this website-sadly.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They probably do have an element who wont shy away from violence, that football lot, pathetic skiddy morons who call themselves 'Lads' and seem obsessed with Nationalism, are up for trouble from the start, that's their objective because they don't have a message to deliver or any informed political beliefs. In truth, it's one of the most Homo Erotic things i've ever seen, a bunch of white blokes getting pissed and coked up and having a fight. I really believe that plenty of them are closet homosexual but because of their attitudes and beliefs they find it difficult to 'come out' Which is kind of ironic-bless.

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Strangely specific that.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Strangely specific that.

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There's got to be underlying problems for that kind of behaviour, surely? It can't be down to just being an A grade Spanner. Why would anyone want to go on the piss and powder with a load of racist 'Lads' with absolutely no message or solution? I've come to the conclusion that many of them didn't get the approval from the 'Male' in their lives or didn't have one around so feel the need to show their masculinity in the only way they know. I'd be interested to know how much social devastation they've left behind. Maybe it's a cry for help and they want their lives to 'matter' as well.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

No or (for a different question!) Yes are sometimes all you need to say.

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True:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They probably do have an element who wont shy away from violence, that football lot, pathetic skiddy morons who call themselves 'Lads' and seem obsessed with Nationalism, are up for trouble from the start, that's their objective because they don't have a message to deliver or any informed political beliefs. In truth, it's one of the most Homo Erotic things i've ever seen, a bunch of white blokes getting pissed and coked up and having a fight. I really believe that plenty of them are closet homosexual but because of their attitudes and beliefs they find it difficult to 'come out' Which is kind of ironic-bless.

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I’ve actually said the same thing myself for years, sometimes tongue in cheek but I get your point.

Can someone put Tuertos post on Mr. Panorama’s board so I can observe the meltdown.:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I’ve actually said the same thing myself for years, sometimes tongue in cheek but I get your point.

Can someone put Tuertos post on Mr. Panorama’s board so I can observe the meltdown.:biggrin:

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I'd look on there just to see the response. Would be the first time going on that mess in quite some time.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I’ve actually said the same thing myself for years, sometimes tongue in cheek but I get your point.

Can someone put Tuertos post on Mr. Panorama’s board so I can observe the meltdown.:biggrin:

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I think i may have joined that site at some point, if my username and password are still valid i'll post it on there.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I’ve actually said the same thing myself for years, sometimes tongue in cheek but I get your point.

Can someone put Tuertos post on Mr. Panorama’s board so I can observe the meltdown.:biggrin:

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They seem to get off on nationalism and violence. There's something to it that isn't right.

Knew it wouldn't take long for legitimate protests to be derailed.

https://antisemitism.uk/protest-agai...d3EcDRlQc9UJJQ

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Knew it wouldn't take long for legitimate protests to be derailed.

https://antisemitism.uk/protest-agai...d3EcDRlQc9UJJQ

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Talk us through your thinking.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They probably do have an element who wont shy away from violence, that football lot, pathetic skiddy morons who call themselves 'Lads' and seem obsessed with Nationalism, are up for trouble from the start, that's their objective because they don't have a message to deliver or any informed political beliefs. In truth, it's one of the most Homo Erotic things i've ever seen, a bunch of white blokes getting pissed and coked up and having a fight. I really believe that plenty of them are closet homosexual but because of their attitudes and beliefs they find it difficult to 'come out' Which is kind of ironic-bless.

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:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Knew it wouldn't take long for legitimate protests to be derailed.

https://antisemitism.uk/protest-agai...d3EcDRlQc9UJJQ

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There have been hundreds of news reports since George Floyd's murder that discuss joint US/Israeli police training and the introduction of choke holds to incapacitate a suspect or prisoner. Most of them suggest that the 'technique' was invented by the Israeli police and army for use on Palestinians. Many of the reports come from Israeli sources. Some deny that Israeli forces use a knee to the throat, but none of them deny joint training programmes going back years.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...ement-training

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...police-forces/

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom...olator-israel/

https://fpif.org/why-we-should-be-al...ning-together/

https://mondoweiss.net/2020/06/georg...ing-in-israel/

https://progressive.org/dispatches/u...-cohen-191007/

https://www.thejc.com/news/us-news/a...olice-1.500211

This is a legitimate part of the debate about structural racism, police cultures and practices, and what models the USA should use if it wants to reform its police and justice systems and earn public support.

It may be that the issue was not raised in Oxford in a way that fitted the BLM event - I don't know from a third person account - or it may be that any reference to Israel, however relevant or appropriate, will generate reflex headlines about 'antisemitism'. That would be no more surprising than a white police officer killing another African-american man!

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Originally Posted by blue matt

you are clutching at straws, you really are

you dont believe that the " BLM crowd " ( if that name is easier for you to understand ) have a element who turn up for the violence ? ? ?

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London gangs were turning up last weekend for a bit of agro later in the day I heard....no surprise that about 30 police were injured either

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Talk us through your thinking.

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"“A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”. The officer, in attendance at the protest, raised his concerns to those around him but in return “received threatening stares” and opted to leave the protest after being made to feel “uncomfortable”."

So Israel responsible for racism, hey? Damn those pesky Jews for experiencing antisemitism throughout history, if only their skin pigmentation was dark enough for the woke to care...

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Originally Posted by goats

London gangs were turning up last weekend for a bit of agro later in the day I heard....no surprise that about 30 police were injured either

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I heard that there is more chance of an under 20 year old being struck by lightning than you being able to provide a compelling set of evidence that:

a) "London gangs" turned up late in the day at last week ends'' BLM Protests and
b) 30 Police officers were injured as a result!

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I’ve actually said the same thing myself for years, sometimes tongue in cheek but I get your point.

Can someone put Tuertos post on Mr. Panorama’s board so I can observe the meltdown.:biggrin:

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I can only imagine what's going on over there

***** has probably wanked himself into a coma

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Because we have a fair few Racist entitled white blokes on this website-sadly.

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Name them.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Name them.

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Splott Dai Carter when he was on.

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Originally Posted by goats

London gangs were turning up last weekend for a bit of agro later in the day I heard....no surprise that about 30 police were injured either

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"I heard" is a big problem though isn't it when stuff like this is happening.

Unless you're shown actual proof it's probably safer not to repeat stuff until you know it's true or not, in these situations.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

"“A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”. The officer, in attendance at the protest, raised his concerns to those around him but in return “received threatening stares” and opted to leave the protest after being made to feel “uncomfortable”."

So Israel responsible for racism, hey? Damn those pesky Jews for experiencing antisemitism throughout history, if only their skin pigmentation was dark enough for the woke to care...

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Is it ok to think it's wrong the way the Jews have been treated, at the same time as thinking they're also ***** for the way they treat Palestinians,?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Is it ok to think it's wrong the way the Jews have been treated, at the same time as thinking they're also ***** for the way they treat Palestinians,?

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Marvellous as your woke view is, it's applicability to a protest about Rhodes is what precisely? That's the point... using a valid protest to bring Israel into things displays the mindset of some.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

"“A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”. The officer, in attendance at the protest, raised his concerns to those around him but in return “received threatening stares” and opted to leave the protest after being made to feel “uncomfortable”."

So Israel responsible for racism, hey? Damn those pesky Jews for experiencing antisemitism throughout history, if only their skin pigmentation was dark enough for the woke to care...

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Let's try to work through the same evidence we have:

The Jewish Chronicle posts an article here:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...t=cecil+rhodes

It has a video of a 3rd generation Palestinian who made some emotive accusations about the State of Israel.

Euan McGivern, 23, the Equality and Diversity Officer of Oriel Middle Common Room, said: “A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. “He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism,” Mr McGivern said, “and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”.

Mr McGivern, who attended the Rhodes Must Fall protest with friends, said that when he mentioned that the speaker’s statements might be antisemitic, he received “threatening stares from people around us” and left the event after being made to feel “uncomfortable”. Two Jewish students and six non-Jewish students have since approached Mr McGivern about the remarks at the protest, saying that they were “hurt and concerned”.

So on the back of this with some guy spouting off on a mike for a minute exclusively about Israel you reach the conclusion that the BLM protest has been derailed.?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Let's try to work through the same evidence we have:

The Jewish Chronicle posts an article here:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...t=cecil+rhodes

It has a video of a 3rd generation Palestinian who made some emotive accusations about the State of Israel.

Euan McGivern, 23, the Equality and Diversity Officer of Oriel Middle Common Room, said: “A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. “He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism,” Mr McGivern said, “and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”.

Mr McGivern, who attended the Rhodes Must Fall protest with friends, said that when he mentioned that the speaker’s statements might be antisemitic, he received “threatening stares from people around us” and left the event after being made to feel “uncomfortable”. Two Jewish students and six non-Jewish students have since approached Mr McGivern about the remarks at the protest, saying that they were “hurt and concerned”.

So on the back of this with some guy spouting off on a mike for a minute exclusively about Israel you reach the conclusion that the BLM protest has been derailed.?

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Plenty of antisemitism within BLM. Tis just the tip of the iceberg.

Still, the original comment was a tad flippant, granted but the responses by some illuminating.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Plenty of antisemitism within BLM. Tis just the tip of the iceberg.

Still, the original comment was a tad flippant, granted but the responses by some illuminating.

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I guess we can all get a bit "woke" (whatever that is) trying to prove a point! :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Plenty of antisemitism within BLM. Tis just the tip of the iceberg.

Still, the original comment was a tad flippant, granted but the responses by some illuminating.

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Anti semitism?

Or people against the Zionist expansionism of the jewish state ?

Because the latter is fine in my eyes

And indeed many liberal jewish people living in Israel

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Anti semitism?

Or people against the Zionist expansionism of the jewish state ?

Because the latter is fine in my eyes

And indeed many liberal jewish people living in Israel

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Yes, Sludge, antisemitism.

Indeed, many liberal people - not just Jewish but Christian, Arab, Muslim et al living in Israel, a great melting pot. Something that can't be said of other Middle Eastern states for some reason people want to ignore.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Yes, Sludge, antisemitism.

Indeed, many liberal people - not just Jewish but Christian, Arab, Muslim et al living in Israel, a great melting pot. Something that can't be said of other Middle Eastern states for some reason people want to ignore.

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Well Christians , jews and arabs have lived in Syria and Lebanon for thousands of years

What's the reason ?

You think the black lives matter campaign is tainted by anti semitism?

Apart from the odd incident have you got any proof ?

There have been all races colours and creeds at demonstrations around the country

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Name them.

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Why-To satisfy your demands? Just read through the posts and do your own detective work, Honey.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Splott Dai Carter when he was on.

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Splott Dai.

There's a blast from the past

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well Christians , jews and arabs have lived in Syria and Lebanon for thousands of years

What's the reason ?

You think the black lives matter campaign is tainted by anti semitism?

Apart from the odd incident have you got any proof ?

There have been all races colours and creeds at demonstrations around the country

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You might want to look at the demographics in the Middle East, Sludge.

I was being flippant - as soon as protests started I knew there would be the odd loon wanting to have a go at Israel.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Splott Dai.

There's a blast from the past

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Yes, he's quite the body of work that guy, fairly well outed for his views.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

You might want to look at the demographics in the Middle East, Sludge.

I was being flippant - as soon as protests started I knew there would be the odd loon wanting to have a go at Israel.

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I dont like what the state of Israel is doing with the building of settlements on Arab occupied territory , I think the slaughter of 5 million jews in world war two was one of humanities worst crimes

But the BLM movement is anti semitic?

One or two loons as you say , no more

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Plenty of antisemitism within BLM. Tis just the tip of the iceberg.

Still, the original comment was a tad flippant, granted but the responses by some illuminating.

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how do you know that there's plenty of anti-Semitism within BLM?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I dont like what the state of Israel is doing with the building of settlements on Arab occupied territory , I think the slaughter of 5 million jews in world war two was one of humanities worst crimes

But the BLM movement is anti semitic?

One or two loons as you say , no more

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I must remember never to be flippant with the pedants on here. Are there elements that are antisemitic? Sure. Jews "too white", certain people forget they are part of the ME in BAME.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

I must remember never to be flippant with the pedants on here. Are there elements that are antisemitic? Sure. Jews "too white", certain people forget they are part of the ME in BAME.

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So theres an element ?

Or there is plenty ?

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

"“A speaker stood up and started bringing up Israel in a context where you wouldn’t really expect Israel to be relevant. He started talking conspiratorially about how Israel was responsible for racism and he used the antisemitic tropes of bringing Israel in where Israel is not relevant”. The officer, in attendance at the protest, raised his concerns to those around him but in return “received threatening stares” and opted to leave the protest after being made to feel “uncomfortable”."

So Israel responsible for racism, hey? Damn those pesky Jews for experiencing antisemitism throughout history, if only their skin pigmentation was dark enough for the woke to care...

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Were the Jews mentioned or just Israel ?

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Plenty of antisemitism within BLM. Tis just the tip of the iceberg.

Still, the original comment was a tad flippant, granted but the responses by some illuminating.

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"Plenty of antisemitism within BLM." you say ccfc_is_my_life.....hmm, sounds to me like you are being racist against gentiles.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They seem to get off on nationalism and violence. There's something to it that isn't right.

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Their patriotic love of their nation fuelled by continental lagers and South American beak.

No surrender.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

It is easier, yes... Considering they are called BLM. Antifa is the boogeyman name attached by the Alt-Right to anything that doesn't remotely resemble a right-wing group. Antifa doesn't even exist as a protest group. No suprise to see you using that name here though, Matt.

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a high % of BLM campaigners / supporters ive seen posting have distanced themselves from the actions and have said the " extremists " ( they have called them antifa aswell ) are nothing to do with them

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Antifa aren't really an organisation, it's just alotof groups that go under the banner 'Anti Fascist'

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indeed, imho the more extremists, i know its been used in the police for a few years now, as a few of my friends are police and if they have to police a protest , the last i remember was last year, they mostly moan about antifa as they are only interested in only one thing, always come prepared with masks to hide faces