British Sprinter And Her Black Boyfriend Stopped By The Police .....

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Originally Posted by TISS

end of thread, nothing else to be said

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What about this

BBC News - Bianca Williams: Met apologises to sprinter over stop-and-search
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53307561

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

BBC News - Bianca Williams: Met apologises to sprinter over stop-and-search
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53307561

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If there were no grounds for stopping Bianca Williams then the Police have a case to answer. From what I've read Bianca Williams and her partner didn't behave that well but I must admit I feel uncomfortable about the use of handcuffs but I guess this is standard practice for all races which the Commissioner herself admits is in need of review. Let's wait to see what the Watchdog has to say particular to this case before assuming the Police are racists.

It was my understanding the Police Watchdog (Independent Office for Police Conduct) is independent of the Police and government.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

If there were no grounds for stopping Bianca Williams then the Police have a case to answer. From what I've read Bianca Williams and her partner didn't behave that well but I must admit I feel uncomfortable about the use of handcuffs but I guess this is standard practice for all races which the Commissioner herself admits is in need of review. Let's wait to see what the Watchdog has to say particular to this case before assuming the Police are racists.

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Well clearly the police are not all racists just as not all black people carry drugs or weapons , as was proved by this case

This watchdog you speak of........for many many years the police have investigated their own officers regarding misconduct .

Unless things have changed, I think that is still the case

Do you think that's correct ?

If I was the victim of a possible police injustice the last person I would want looking into it would be another police officer

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well clearly the police are not all racists just as not all black people carry drugs or weapons , as was proved by this case

This watchdog you speak of........for many many years the police have investigated their own officers regarding misconduct .

Unless things have changed, I think that is still the case

Do you think that's correct ?

If I was the victim of a possible police injustice the last person I would want looking into it would be another police officer

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This is all I know:

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/

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Originally Posted by TISS

just give it up. you get offended at anyone who doesn't follow your own narrative. you really are a SJW/snowflake (delete as appropriate).

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If I am standing next to a bloke racially abusing someone then I am not going to stand there and do feck all

Racism affects everybody and you do not have to be black to feel threatened or intimidated or uncomfortable about racist behaviour

Are jewish people the only people who are allowed to protest about people celebrating adolf Hitler's birthday ?

If that makes me a snowflake then fecking bring it on , you keep spouting hot air

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Originally Posted by Vindec

This is all I know:

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/

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That's for deaths in custody etc

Most complaints about police misconduct are carried out internally

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Originally Posted by TISS

the met have apologised for any distress caused. that does not mean the Met were wrong to stop - they've probably apologised given the media hoo-ha. No one is above the law and if the police believe someone is acting suspiciously, then they need to stop them.

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Of course , if those naughty black people hadn't complained about police tactics , including trying to handcuff a woman with a 3 month old baby none of this would have happened ! How dare they !

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Originally Posted by TISS

the police do a difficult job, and its a continuous learning process. if there is any outcome from this, hopefully it will be a positive one in which the Met/police are more aware of the latent fears of BAME when being stopped, and also the general public that stop and search is a necessary tool, and if you are stopped, act civil and polite will see you on your way in no time at all.

The UK police are widely regarded as the best in the world. I'm not disputing there are bad apples in the barrel, but by and large they do a difficult job very well.

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This learning process is an interesting one

The south yorkshire police were heavily criticised for their treatment of liverpool fans before Hillsborough

When we were promoted to the championship we played sheffield united at bramhall lane

The police stopped the family dominated supporters club buses a mile from the ground , it got close to kick off so a joint decision was made to ignore the lone motorcycle officer and walk to the ground as we had travelled 4 hours to watch a football match and looked likely to miss the start . We were pushed and shoved around by police officers on the way into the ground and outside afterwards batons were drawn and many innocent fans were hit

Some police officers clearly learn and some clearly dont

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's for deaths in custody etc

Most complaints about police misconduct are carried out internally

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Not entirely. They also investigate allegations of use of excessive force. The Police have referred themselves to the watchdog and not an internal review.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-a4491521.html

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Not entirely. They also investigate allegations of use of excessive force. The Police have referred themselves to the watchdog and not an internal review.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-a4491521.html

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This body's executive officers are independent and have to be by law . They are not allowed to be or have been serving police officers . However police officers are involved further down . If it is proved by an independent body ......or as far as we can get in this country .......that the two people stopped were stopped lawfully and they were treated fairly without discrimination then the woman who made the claims of racial profiling and excessive force needs to make an apology . But I think , at the very least , excessive force was used . However I have not seen the full video or the police body cam footage .

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Of course , if those naughty black people hadn't complained about police tactics , including trying to handcuff a woman with a 3 month old baby none of this would have happened ! How dare they !

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Handcuffing any woman holding a child must be a last resort.

How would you approach this Sludge, if you had to detain anyone holding a child?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

This body's executive officers are independent and have to be by law . They are not allowed to be or have been serving police officers . However police officers are involved further down . If it is proved by an independent body ......or as far as we can get in this country .......that the two people stopped were stopped lawfully and they were treated fairly without discrimination then the woman who made the claims of racial profiling and excessive force needs to make an apology . But I think , at the very least , excessive force was used . However I have not seen the full video or the police body cam footage .

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Now that we have established the allegations are not being investigated internally I am glad you accept that the Police, if the complaint is unproven, needs an apology. Of course the reverse is also true and I would expect the Police to apologise also if they are found to be in the wrong. However, I don't know how you can possibly think excessive force was used until you have seen the footage. Some of it was shown on Sky TV last night but I won't rush to judgement until the outcome of the complaint is known. I still fail to understand how the Police can only do their job if they are unable to stop suspects.

If it helps details of the investigation are here:

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/new...da-vale-london

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Originally Posted by TISS

Handcuffing any woman holding a child must be a last resort.

How would you approach this Sludge, if you had to detain anyone holding a child?

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He should be the one in handcuffs if he’s within 50 yards of a woman with a child.

Absolute danger of a man.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

2 reviews .....by the police

You think the police did nothing wrong but are forced to apologise because she was a minor celebrity ?

If they did nothing wrong , why are they apologising ?

BBC News - Bianca Williams: Met apologises to sprinter over stop-and-search
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53307561

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I don't know why either if they did not do anything wrong, but I suspect it is because it is a combination of the lady being a "minor celebrity" (not my phrase as I had never heard of her if I am honest) hence the media interest and it being non-PC not to do so in the present very emotional climate around the BLM movement. I must admit the handcuffing seems a bit OTT so maybe that is behind the apology too? I would hope that such action would be resorted to only if the apprehended person became violent.

The crux of the matter seems to be that the car did not stop when required by the police and instead sped off which the lady is denying apparently. Again I can only assume that the police have their own video evidence of all this.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Now that we have established the allegations are not being investigated internally I am glad you accept that the Police, if the complaint is unproven, needs an apology. Of course the reverse is also true and I would expect the Police to apologise also if they are found to be in the wrong. However, I don't know how you can possibly think excessive force was used until you have seen the footage. Some of it was shown on Sky TV last night but I won't rush to judgement until the outcome of the complaint is known. I still fail to understand how the Police can only do their job if they are unable to stop suspects.

If it helps details of the investigation are here:

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/new...da-vale-london

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Well we havnt established that , this body , which replaced the previous one has non serving police at its executive level but not further down

At present it is alleged that this woman was separated from her baby for 45 minutes

Because two reviews , by the police , into their own actions hasnt found anything wrong does not mean the police acted correctly

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Originally Posted by TISS

Handcuffing any woman holding a child must be a last resort.

How would you approach this Sludge, if you had to detain anyone holding a child?

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She was sitting in the back seat of a car that had been stopped , holding her baby

She wasnt going anywhere , why handcuff her ?

If there was a knife or a bag of cocaine on the back seat , cuff her , but that female police officer was determined to handcuff a woman , sitting in the back of a car , holding her baby

It appears she was kept from her baby for 45 minutes

That definitely needs looking at

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well we havnt established that , this body , which replaced the previous one has non serving police at its executive level but not further down

At present it is alleged that this woman was separated from her baby for 45 minutes

Because two reviews , by the police , into their own actions hasnt found anything wrong does not mean the police acted correctly

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Sounds like you aren't going to be satisfied unless you get the result you want. It's in the IOPC's hands now so why not let it go until they have concluded their report?

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Sounds like you aren't going to be satisfied unless you get the result you want. It's in the IOPC's hands now so why not let it go until they have concluded their report?

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If this woman has lied about this stop and search I will be the first to call her out as it does nothing for black people who are racially profiled or for decent police officers

the whole incident will be on the police dash cams and body cams

if the force has looked into it twice, the chances are the iopc review will be the same

from what i know ( from serving officers ) about the iopc they are 100% independent and officers are normally worried if it gets that far

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

She was sitting in the back seat of a car that had been stopped , holding her baby

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if I was sat in the back seat holding a baby, you can bet I'd be far more compliant that this athlete was. I certainly wouldn't be kicking up a fuss trying to make the situation worse.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

She wasnt going anywhere , why handcuff her ?

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maybe because the police deemed her a threat.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If there was a knife or a bag of cocaine on the back seat , cuff her , but that female police officer was determined to handcuff a woman , sitting in the back of a car , holding her baby

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perhaps because the OB deemed her a threat. I have no idea, we've not seen the full video so we should leave it to the IOPC

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It appears she was kept from her baby for 45 minutes

That definitely needs looking at

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why? mothers have been apart from babies for longer. if you're making an accusation, why not come out and say it.

are you going to answer the question I asked...how would you detain a third party if they were holding a baby?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If this woman has lied about this stop and search I will be the first to call her out as it does nothing for black people who are racially profiled or for decent police officers

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So why do you keep banging on about the IOPC potentially being biased in favour of the police? You are desperate for this to be a racial incident

We'll see how true you are to your words once they release the report. Still interested in how the police supposedly racially profiled a couple through tinted windows but I'll leave that to the report.

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Originally Posted by TISS

if I was sat in the back seat holding a baby, you can bet I'd be far more compliant that this athlete was. I certainly wouldn't be kicking up a fuss trying to make the situation worse.


maybe because the police deemed her a threat.

perhaps because the OB deemed her a threat. I have no idea, we've not seen the full video so we should leave it to the IOPC


why? mothers have been apart from babies for longer. if you're making an accusation, why not come out and say it.

are you going to answer the question I asked...how would you detain a third party if they were holding a baby?

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I havnt made the accusation that the woman was apart from her baby for 45 minutes , bbc news at 6 just have

You are not a woman with a baby , you have no idea how you would react , totally irrelevant

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

So why do you keep banging on about the IOPC potentially being biased in favour of the police? You are desperate for this to be a racial incident

We'll see how true you are to your words once they release the report. Still interested in how the police supposedly racially profiled a couple through tinted windows but I'll leave that to the report.

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Well the independent police complaints authority had to change its name for that very reason , if it isn't a racial incident then I can assure you I will be the first to criticise this woman

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I havnt made the accusation that the woman was apart from her baby for 45 minutes , bbc news at 6 just have

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you've misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting you had made the accusation, i was merely stating that if you want to make (another) accusation, just come out and say it.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are not a woman with a baby , you have no idea how you would react , totally irrelevant

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i'm a father of three, why would I not be able to make comment on how i'd react whilst holding a baby?

you've still skirted the issue, how do you propose arresting a person holding an infant?

having watched the video, perhaps you can explain why this woman, with child in arms, felt it necessary to exit her vehicle? Before she exited the car, the police had zero interest in her. As another poster has pointed out, you desperately want this to be an issue of race. It may well be, but we should leave it to those with the full facts to form that opinion.

If i got pulled over in the car and was surrounded by 4 police officers with at least one with a baton at the ready id be pissed off. Particularly as id pulled over to see what they wanted.

This video doesnt look great.

[QUOTE=TISS;5095665]you've misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting you had made the accusation, i was merely stating that if you want to make (another) accusation, just come out and say it.

I havnt misunderstood at all , on the bbc news tonight it was reported the mother was kept from her baby for 45 minutes , why would they mention that ? I dont think if that's correct that they were feeding it to the wolves but it's a bit odd

i'm a father of three, why would I not be able to make comment on how i'd react whilst holding a baby?

You are not a mother , mothers will do anything to protect their children , its animal instinct

you've still skirted the issue, how do you propose arresting a person holding an infant?

She wasnt being arrested , according to the female officer she was being detained for the purposes of a search . What on earth does someone with a baby , in the back seat of a car , need to be handcuffed for in order to search her ? There were 3 female officers there

having watched the video, perhaps you can explain why this woman, with child in arms, felt it necessary to exit her vehicle? Before she exited the car, the police had zero interest in her. As another poster has pointed out, you desperately want this to be an issue of race. It may well be, but we should leave it to those with the full facts to form that

The people with the full facts to form the opinion that it may or may not be an issue of race are not necessarily the police

As for her if shes proved to be a liar I will have no sympathy with her

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well we havnt established that , this body , which replaced the previous one has non serving police at its executive level but not further down

At present it is alleged that this woman was separated from her baby for 45 minutes

Because two reviews , by the police , into their own actions hasnt found anything wrong does not mean the police acted correctly

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Sludge. You are being very slippery. You have insisted the investigation is being undertaken "internally" and you claim that would mean the Met Police investigating itself. That clearly is not the case. They have referred themselves to the independent Police Conduct Authority. While you doubt their independence that effectively means you will not believe the outcome of the investigation if it goes the way you want it to. I think your approach confirms your intransigence and your mind is made up and that you are positioning yourself just in case the Police are found to have acted appropriately.

I don't know how long it has been since you have worked but in your former Housing Department for example the person eventually putting their name to a report is the person who is accountable and certainly not those lower down the hierarchy. If it's any consolation to you the Regional Director ultimately responsible for the Police Conduct Authority's investigation is Sal Naseem whom I assume is a non white.

I will say again, if the Police acted inappropriately they should apologise but I won't jump to conclusions until the full facts are available.

trust me sludge, you have misunderstood. the crux of my question wasn't about who/what first mentioned the mother had been separated from baby for 45 minutes...i was asking you since you said it needed looking into, whether you were implying something more sinister was afoot.

when i said she was arrested, i meant handcuffed. My bad. The point still stands. She exited the vehicle, the police did not open the door of the car.

NB yes mothers have instincts to protect their children, so do fathers. That's quite an absurdity even for you.

we're going over old ground here so there is little further to add. lets just leave it to the powers that be to investigate further.

Another murder in Maida Vale this morning.

Yet another murder in Harlesden in the early hours of this morning. Met police reports 75% of murders this year are BAME and will carry on with their stop and search policy. So I will say once more these two athletes should have just got out of their car when pulled over and thought about the bigger picture.

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Originally Posted by Whisperer

Yet another murder in Harlesden in the early hours of this morning. Met police reports 75% of murders this year are BAME and will carry on with their stop and search policy. So I will say once more these two athletes should have just got out of their car when pulled over and thought about the bigger picture.

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Well at the moment your views and mine are irrelevant to this particular stop

She has said her and her partner were stopped because they were black which is unlawful

The met appear to have referred the matter to the as near as we can get to independent police watchdog

If it is found it was a racially motivated stop then I doubt anything will be done

However if this woman is proved to have been a liar I wont have any sympathy with her and she will have done BAME people no good whatsoever

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well at the moment your views and mine are irrelevant to this particular stop

She has said her and her partner were stopped because they were black which is unlawful

The met appear to have referred the matter to the as near as we can get to independent police watchdog

If it is found it was a racially motivated stop then I doubt anything will be done

However if this woman is proved to have been a liar I wont have any sympathy with her and she will have done BAME people no good whatsoever

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wasnt the police vehicle behind the car in question ? ? ? if so, how would the police have seen they were black ? ?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

wasnt the police vehicle behind the car in question ? ? ? if so, how would the police have seen they were black ? ?

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Well we will soon find out , wont we , assuming this apparently independent watchdog does its job

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Originally Posted by blue matt

wasnt the police vehicle behind the car in question ? ? ? if so, how would the police have seen they were black ? ?

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Indeed and reportedly the car driven eradicatly, in an area and street that sees knife crime as a hobby ,sadly BAME do commit these crimes, the question is how do your police a predominantly black area, with predominantly black crime with many carrying lethal weapon such as knives.

As Dorian Lawrence eloquently says

""We [the black community] are turning on ourselves and I have no idea what causes that. There’s a lot more work that needs to go into understanding where those young people are coming from - there’s a combination of contributing factors and everybody has their part to play in all of this.”

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Indeed and reportedly the car driven eradicatly, in an area and street that sees knife crime as a hobby ,sadly BAME do commit these crimes, the question is how do your police a predominantly black area, with predominantly black crime with many carrying lethal weapon such as knives.

As Dorian Lawrence eloquently says

""We [the black community] are turning on ourselves and I have no idea what causes that. There’s a lot more work that needs to go into understanding where those young people are coming from - there’s a combination of contributing factors and everybody has their part to play in all of this.”

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Including the police

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well at the moment your views and mine are irrelevant to this particular stop

She has said her and her partner were stopped because they were black which is unlawful

The met appear to have referred the matter to the as near as we can get to independent police watchdog

If it is found it was a racially motivated stop then I doubt anything will be done

However if this woman is proved to have been a liar I wont have any sympathy with her and she will have done BAME people no good whatsoever

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Well said Sludge. Welcome to the World of being reasonable and unbiased. Wait for the evidence to emerge and base conclusions on it is precisely the way forward.

BBC News - Officer suspended over 'kneeling on neck' during arrest
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Well said Sludge. Welcome to the World of being reasonable and unbiased. Wait for the evidence to emerge and base conclusions on it is precisely the way forward.

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BBC News - Officer suspended over 'kneeling on neck' during arrest
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

BBC News - Officer suspended over 'kneeling on neck' during arrest
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53443641

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Why have you quoted me?

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Why have you quoted me?

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Whats wrong with some people, they have seen what's happened in USA and they do the same unbelievable, surely they just restrain him normally.

Really wish these folk wouldn't commit crimes , we could step the police down and live happily ever after