Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
big difference.
some are not declaring tax on part of income they have earned, whereas others are claiming benefits that they are not entitled to.
in the former case, the taxpayer has worked, albeit isn't paying as much tax as he should. In the latter case, the recipient of benefits is swinging the lead, and can't even be arsed to work.
in one case an individual wants to keep more of what he has earned and in another case they want something for nothing without lifting a finger. you simply cannot equate the two
I am only dipping into this thread but the comparison above was a trade charging less because they aren't going to pay tax Vs somebody who manipulates the benefit system by having kids so they don't need to work. The latter aren't 'claiming benefits they aren't entitled to'.
One is tax evasion and the other is simply a moral issue not a legal one. It is a bit worrying that you seem so laissez-faire with tax evasion considering what you do for a living (or maybe it is just expected...).
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
big difference.
some are not declaring tax on part of income they have earned, whereas others are claiming benefits that they are not entitled to.
in the former case, the taxpayer has worked, albeit isn't paying as much tax as he should. In the latter case, the recipient of benefits is swinging the lead, and can't even be arsed to work.
in one case an individual wants to keep more of what he has earned and in another case they want something for nothing without lifting a finger. you simply cannot equate the two
So if a woman has two kids and gets a housing association flat .......it really isn't as easy as that and gets child benefit you are not OK with that but you are OK with a rich bloke not being charged 1000 quid on top of the cash price for his extension?
Its either immoral or it isn't
Stop being a shithouse ff sake
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
So if a woman has two kids and gets a housing association flat .......it really isn't as easy as that and gets child benefit you are not OK with that but you are OK with a rich bloke not being charged 1000 quid on top of the cash price for his extension?
Its either immoral or it isn't
Stop being a shithouse ff sake
if she is entitled to child benefit that is perfectly fine, I'm totally ok with that. that is not what was being discussed though.
in the VAT and income tax/NI element is £1k, this must be the worlds smallest rich man extension.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
if she is entitled to child benefit that is perfectly fine, I'm totally ok with that. that is not what was being discussed though.
in the VAT and income tax/NI element is £1k, this must be the worlds smallest rich man extension.
Feedback is back :hehe::hehe:
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
if she is entitled to child benefit that is perfectly fine, I'm totally ok with that. that is not what was being discussed though.
Yes it was
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Because the posh git knows that if the builder is taking the cash and not declaring it which is why he offers the builder the option in the first place
If we ever become a cashless society a heck of a lot of people with wonga who pay cash to cleaners , gardeners and jobbing builders are going to be stuck
For the black economy to work it takes two to tango
Very hard to spend decent amounts of cash these days.
Big brother is watching you and what you spend on your debit card.
Cash is a nuisance for me , when people offer to pay by cash I generally say no thanks.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric Cartman
Yes it was
no it wasn't. I would suggest you re-read the thread because it was claimed much further up that there are people who abuse the benefits system, taking benefits they are not entitled to.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
big difference.
some are not declaring tax on part of income they have earned, whereas others are claiming benefits that they are not entitled to.
in the former case, the taxpayer has worked, albeit isn't paying as much tax as he should. In the latter case, the recipient of benefits is swinging the lead, and can't even be arsed to work.
in one case an individual wants to keep more of what he has earned and in another case they want something for nothing without lifting a finger. you simply cannot equate the two
Of course you can equate the two. They both deprive the taxpayer of funds. Unfortunately you appear to live in a world where depriving public services of funds through tax evasion is an entirely acceptable thing to do.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric Cartman
I am only dipping into this thread but the comparison above was a trade charging less because they aren't going to pay tax Vs somebody who manipulates the benefit system by having kids so they don't need to work. The latter aren't 'claiming benefits they aren't entitled to'.
there are more benefits than just child benefit - housing benefit is one that immediately springs to mind
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Eric Cartman
One is tax evasion and the other is simply a moral issue not a legal one. It is a bit worrying that you seem so laissez-faire with tax evasion considering what you do for a living (or maybe it is just expected...).
droll, you're going to have to try a lot harder to get a rise out of me.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric the Half a Bee
Of course you can equate the two. They both deprive the taxpayer of funds. Unfortunately you appear to live in a world where depriving public services of funds through tax evasion is an entirely acceptable thing to do.
This is going to be good....how did you arrive at that conclusion?
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
This is going to be good....how did you arrive at that conclusion?
So, for the avoidance of all doubt, are you or are you not ok with any worker who decides to pull any fiddle to lower their tax bill?
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric the Half a Bee
So, for the avoidance of all doubt, are you or are you not ok with any worker who decides to pull any fiddle to lower their tax bill?
He's okay with ejaculating over unsuspecting people in nightclubs so its hard to imagine that would cross a line.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
Anyways back on track guess what ' 1 in 5 children are living below the poverty line in every part of Wales now how did that happen ?
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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life on mars
Anyways back on track guess what ' 1 in 5 children are living below the poverty line in every part of Wales now how did that happen ?
Er no, it's just like you to focus only on poverty in one place when there is poverty everywhere, you must have some sort of agenda or bias.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric the Half a Bee
So, for the avoidance of all doubt, are you or are you not ok with any worker who decides to pull any fiddle to lower their tax bill?
I am very firmly of the opinion that an individual has an obligation to pay the taxes that the law says is due.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric Cartman
He's okay with ejaculating over unsuspecting people in nightclubs so its hard to imagine that would cross a line.
unsuspecting?
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
I am very firmly of the opinion that an individual has an obligation to pay the taxes that the law says is due.
Does that mean you are against anyone finding creative but legal ways to save on their tax bill?
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric the Half a Bee
Does that mean you are against anyone finding creative but legal ways to save on their tax bill?
if they are using the law as Parliament intended then that is tax planning. If they using the letter of the law in a way that was not intended by Parliament then that is tax avoidance and is to be frowned upon. and to be clear, we have anti abuse legislation in place to avoid this kind of thing.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Feedback
if they are using the law as Parliament intended then that is tax planning. If they using the letter of the law in a way that was not intended by Parliament then that is tax avoidance and is to be frowned upon. and to be clear, we have anti abuse legislation in place to avoid this kind of thing.
So, if someone claims benefits using the law as Parliament intended, that is also ok. So no difference.
Re: 1 in 5 children is living below the poverty line in every part of Wales ?
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Eric the Half a Bee
So, if someone claims benefits using the law as Parliament intended, that is also ok. So no difference.
agreed, but that was not what was being discussed.
keep up at the back
