Professional footballer declares that he is gay

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

And why would it wind anyone up if the song didn't imply that England were so bad that even wearing a turban was better?

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I have no idea, I didn't come up with that literary masterpiece. ask the author.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Why do they do it - among affecting the opposition - be it fans, coaches and players for whatever reason they may be upset from it for - they want to show 1. they are the sort to open their mouths and say offensive things out loud, 2. they want to express a hatred of England and people they see as wearing turbans, 3. they have very little going on between their ears.

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do you think football fans believe in everything they sing?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

One last try; is saying one race is lower than another racist?

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if you need to ask that question then you're part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I have no idea, I didn't come up with that literary masterpiece. ask the author.

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I don't need to because my reading comprehension isn't that bad.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

if you need to ask that question then you're part of the problem.

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Well if it is, then that is why the song is racist.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not trying to be smart at all. I'm offering an opinion that singing a crass song at a football match isn't racism per se. You may think it is racist, I think its puerile. Isn't it wonderful that we can have differences of opinion.

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So basically they're singing a song that might have the same meaning as "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail"? But they all decided to choose a couple of different nouns, just random ones.

Right.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So basically they're singing a song that might have the same meaning as "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail"? But they all decided to choose a couple of different nouns, just random ones.

Right.

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He has genuinley put acorss one of the worst arguments in ccmb history. Yet this still makes him look stupider:

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Is that really racist? We're the sane ****ing race.

English bashing, definitely. Not racist.

And it's banter.

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But apparently he is going to self police the fans to make sure any player coming out doesnt get anything homophobic sang in the stands.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

do you think football fans believe in everything they sing?

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I believe people who aren't racist don't spit out such loaded language.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So basically they're singing a song that might have the same meaning as "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail"? But they all decided to choose a couple of different nouns, just random ones.

Right.

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I don't think they're random at all. They're picking the English because we're playing an English football team.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I don't think they're random at all. They're picking the English because we're playing an English football team.

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But the turban, is random?

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

I believe people who aren't racist don't spit out such loaded language.

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do you think city fans are really friends with Harold Shipman? We both know the answer, and we both know football fans sing songs in the comfort of the safety net of being at the match in numbers.

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Originally Posted by feedback

And it's banter

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https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/wp-con....jpg?strip=all

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Originally Posted by Feedback

do you think city fans are really friends with Harold Shipman? We both know the answer, and we both know football fans sing songs in the comfort of the safety net of being at the match in numbers.

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Would you sing "I'd rather wear a turban than a rose"?

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Originally Posted by Feedback

do you think city fans are really friends with Harold Shipman? We both know the answer, and we both know football fans sing songs in the comfort of the safety net of being at the match in numbers.

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Amazing. You therefore can chant racism but not be racist.

F***ing hell mate.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

But the turban, is random?

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who knows. if this song ever does rear its head when watching the city, why not ask those singing it what it means to them. I reckon most if not all hadn't really given it that much thought as to what they are singing.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Would you sing "I'd rather wear a turban than a rose"?

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I'd have no idea how to wear a rose. how do you do that?

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'd have no idea how to wear a rose. how do you do that?

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Clipped on like a corsage.

But would you sing it?

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

But the turban, is random?

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Originally Posted by Feedback

who knows.

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Look mate don't f**king try it with on me, that's the f**king slickest thing I've read in a while.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Amazing. You therefore can chant racism but not be racist.

F***ing hell mate.

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I said people sing all sorts of songs without giving it too much thought about what they are actually singing.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Clipped on like a corsage.

But would you sing it?

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my days of singing at the football are long gone.

I remember being in the away end down the Vetch as a 16 year old , straight off the train

The song I'd rather be black than a Swansea Jack was sung by about 20 lads to our right , a black guy said s t f u , that's racist

At the time I thought naaa but it's the same sort of song .......Swansea people are soo low in society that I would rather be black ! than come from Swansea

Both are clearly using racial groups to mock other fans and are therefore not acceptable

There can be no argument

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I said people sing all sorts of songs without giving it too much thought about what they are actually singing.

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And in the case of racist songs are therefore f**king racist!

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I said people sing all sorts of songs without giving it too much thought about what they are actually singing.

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That's irrelevant. No one is accusing everyone singing it of being racist, we are saying the song is racist.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

That's irrelevant. No one is accusing everyone singing it of being racist, we are saying the song is racist.

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Gabbs is

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Originally Posted by Feedback

who knows. if this song ever does rear its head when watching the city, why not ask those singing it what it means to them. I reckon most if not all hadn't really given it that much thought as to what they are singing.

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So they are thoughtless

Or racist

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Gabbs is

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Abso f**king lutely.

You have to be a special sort of stupid to not accept that should those sort of missives fly from your lips you ****ing created a racist act with that action, and by that you are indeed racist.

Right enough of this I'm off to listen to some Public Enemy

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Abso f**king lutely.

You have to be a special sort of stupid to not accept that should those sort of missives fly from your lips you ****ing created a racist act with that action, and by that you are indeed racist.

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but Croesyblue does not, which goes to show just how opinions vary on the subject.

we got there in the end

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Right enough of this I'm off to listen to some Public Enemy

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Bring the noise !

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Originally Posted by Feedback

but Croesyblue does not, which goes to show just how opinions vary on the subject.

we got there in the end

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I'm aware my opinion may differ to those who wish to apply some sort of sympathetic reasoning behind why some may do it but not be racist - they will turn to that some people are just not switched on enough - too stupid for it to sink in, unknowingly racist so to speak.

I'd say save for true mental illness this is no excuse - a racist is a racist knowingly or not, and in reality stupidity/lack of though is often rested upon cutely by those looking to justify such chants place in the world.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Bring the noise !

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:thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmo3HFa2vjg

This thread is unbelievable, one man make himself look a bit silly about misunderstanding the target of a song, then instead of holding his hands and laughing at himself about it spends the next 9 pages twisting himself in knots defending a song that is quite clearly racist even though he himself is not. There's some absolutely mad ones on this board :hehe: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'll ask again, why would a hindu be upset over a song about a turban?

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*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.

So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.

In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.

As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.

Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break.

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.

So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.

In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.

As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.

Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break.

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I'm not defending anyone or anything.

and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not defending anyone or anything.

and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?

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Ah christ

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Ah christ

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I see. so we have to take the words of the song quite literally, but we can be free and easy with what we mean when we're on a football message board.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I see. so we have to take the words of the song quite literally, but we can be free and easy with what we mean when we're on a football message board.

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Lost me there ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I wasn't talking to you

You are a lost cause I am afraid

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You can say things once, you don't have to repeat yourself tens of times in a thread, no matter who you was talking to.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Lost me there ?

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Adz said that the song was aimed at brown people. I was asking whether only brown people wear turbans.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Adz said that the song was aimed at brown people. I was asking whether only brown people wear turbans.

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No, but the song is aimed at them. And to pre-empt your next smartypants question, no I haven't asked every person who has ever sung it.