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30-03-22, 09:33
HiVis

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They have been given that right now but I think it's daft

There's 200 people in my street

3 houses are Welsh speaking

They get council tax forms in Welsh and English, most people in the street don't speak welsh and can't understand the forms , they are bilingual and can understand English ....it just seems a waste of money when it's just a bloody form

you know everyone on your street? Is this Ramsey Street?

and what about Welsh learners in the other 197 houses who'd like to have a go at their written Welsh?
30-03-22, 09:35
HiVis

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Fishing , Football , Curry

Just interests

Public money generally isn't spent on that

But S4C which has dreadful viewing figures is subsidised and council forms are sent out to people in Welsh and English and its utterly pointless . And a waste of money .

public money is spent on things that matter to the majority. Most Welsh people who don't speak the language still want it to thrive.
30-03-22, 09:36
HiVis

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I totally agree with you that the Welsh language is very important . But it's made stronger by helping people to speak welsh . These forms don't do that .

how do learners practice their written Welsh?
30-03-22, 10:28
dembethewarrior

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Not quite the same though is it ?

As far as I know your daughter wasn't seriously ill and isn't. You simply used that as an excuse .

You said you didnt bother watching cardiff city ......but still came on here I might add ....because your daughter didn't like the long ball game

I think that's a bit of a cop out really but there you go

I am off into princess of Wales this afternoon , the valve into her heart is blocked , the artery is like a balloon and they are trying to get her stable . If they get her stable they might operate but given her age that's risky .

If I am absent from here for a while then please be assured its because my mother is seriously ill , I am not bored or anything .

You may be happy putting your life on here, and that's fine, if you.lime the support some.randomers offer you. I personally don't.

Life is hard for us all, storp trying to make me feel bad, because I honestly don't, life's a journey.for us all we.all go through it pal.you ain't the only one.

Hope you mother is well, but you don't half play for the sympathy vote on here

I'll get hammered for that I suppose, hey ho.
30-03-22, 10:41
JamesWales

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Everyone should just be a bit more open minded about it; Sludge about the welsh language and what it means to people, and others about Sludge's opinions, which as a tax payer he is totally entitled to have, as he may have other priorities. Lots will agree with both sides.

Look after yourselves, aaaaaaaaaand each other.
30-03-22, 10:54
goats

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Everyone should just be a bit more open minded about it; Sludge about the welsh language and what it means to people, and others about Sludge's opinions, which as a tax payer he is totally entitled to have, as he may have other priorities. Lots will agree with both sides.

Look after yourselves, aaaaaaaaaand each other.

Kids learn Welsh in school, that enough really isn’t it….kids pick up stuff pretty quick whether they will ever need to use it is another thing
30-03-22, 17:53
Wash DC Blue

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Originally Posted by goats

Kids learn Welsh in school, that enough really isn’t it….kids pick up stuff pretty quick whether they will ever need to use it is another thing

I saw My 7 year old Niece yesterday and she was counting in Welsh and saying little sentences.
Cute as a button to me she is.

It's just nice to see and hear.
30-03-22, 18:09
splott parker

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

I saw My 7 year old Niece yesterday and she was counting in Welsh and saying little sentences.
Cute as a button to me she is.

It's just nice to see and hear.

In the words of the song are you ‘still here’ ? If so, when d’you go back? Have you seen a huge difference or not a lot of change?
30-03-22, 18:14
Wash DC Blue

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Originally Posted by splott parker

In the words of the song are you ‘still here’ ? If so, when d’you go back? Have you seen a huge difference or not a lot of change?

Fly back tomorrow Mate.
Biggest change I noticed in Cardiff was the BBC building where the bus station was...

Newport is still its rough around the edges...yet charming self :) albeit with more pubs and shops closing down.
Lots of coffee shops and hotels though.

Been a nice trip and hope to get back in June or for the final.
30-03-22, 18:29
splott parker

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Fly back tomorrow Mate.
Biggest change I noticed in Cardiff was the BBC building where the bus station was...

Newport is still its rough around the edges...yet charming self :) albeit with more pubs and shops closing down.
Lots of coffee shops and hotels though

Been a nice trip and hope to get back in June or for the final.

Shame you couldn’t hang on for the Swansea game. Safe trip:thumbup:
30-03-22, 20:17
Swiss Peter

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Thought it was good at the time the other night, but the song comes across to me as the sort of anthemic crowd-stirrer that I normally really don't like very much.

Also, It doesn't worry me, but I'm surprised the song and singer's wider context (the 'Yes'/PC connection) isn't discussed more.
30-03-22, 20:26
NYCBlue

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Thought it was good at the time the other night, but the song comes across to me as the sort of anthemic crowd-stirrer that I normally really don't like very much.

Also, It doesn't worry me, but I'm surprised the song and singer's wider context (the 'Yes'/PC connection) isn't discussed more.

I had a Welsh-speaking girlfriend at the time it came out. "We're still here despite Maggie"? Ticks all the boxes for me.
30-03-22, 20:32
Swiss Peter

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I had a Welsh-speaking girlfriend at the time it came out. "We're still here despite Maggie"? Ticks all the boxes for me.

Well, me too. Just surprised - given the 'broad church' that we have on here - that we don't hear a counter view.
30-03-22, 20:38
Eric the Half a Bee

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Well, me too. Just surprised - given the 'broad church' that we have on here - that we don't hear a counter view.

It has been done.

True story. I used to conduct a male voice choir in the valleys and I got them to learn Yma O Hyd. Other male voice choirs were singing it successfully with little fuss. Unfortunately, the choir I was with had quite a strong older right wing element. One refused to sing about Maggie as she was his hero. One English guy refused to sing it as he (wrongly) believed it was an anti-English song. A couple of others thought (wrongly) that it is a pro-independence song and thought we shouldn't sing it.

On the flip side, another choir I am currently with sing it regularly and have changed Maggie to Boris.
30-03-22, 20:41
NYCBlue

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

It has been done.

True story. I used to conduct a male voice choir in the valleys and I got them to learn Yma O Hyd. Other male voice choirs were singing it successfully with little fuss. Unfortunately, the choir I was with had quite a strong older right wing element. One refused to sing about Maggie as she was his hero. One English guy refused to sing it as he (wrongly) believed it was an anti-English song. A couple of others thought (wrongly) that it is a pro-independence song and thought we shouldn't sing it.

On the flip side, another choir I am currently with sing it regularly and have changed Maggie to Boris.

:thumbup:
30-03-22, 20:55
Swiss Peter

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

It has been done.

True story. I used to conduct a male voice choir in the valleys and I got them to learn Yma O Hyd. Other male voice choirs were singing it successfully with little fuss. Unfortunately, the choir I was with had quite a strong older right wing element. One refused to sing about Maggie as she was his hero. One English guy refused to sing it as he (wrongly) believed it was an anti-English song. A couple of others thought (wrongly) that it is a pro-independence song and thought we shouldn't sing it.

On the flip side, another choir I am currently with sing it regularly and have changed Maggie to Boris.

Yeah, I thought it probably had! Thanks, Eric.
30-03-22, 21:02
Swiss Peter

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

It has been done.

True story. I used to conduct a male voice choir in the valleys and I got them to learn Yma O Hyd. Other male voice choirs were singing it successfully with little fuss. Unfortunately, the choir I was with had quite a strong older right wing element. One refused to sing about Maggie as she was his hero. One English guy refused to sing it as he (wrongly) believed it was an anti-English song. A couple of others thought (wrongly) that it is a pro-independence song and thought we shouldn't sing it.

On the flip side, another choir I am currently with sing it regularly and have changed Maggie to Boris.

Sorry, just read that again. Is the singer (and the song) not linked heavily with pro-independence then? Genuine question. Some stuff I was reading the other day suggested otherwise.
30-03-22, 21:11
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

A couple of others thought (wrongly) that it is a pro-independence song and thought we shouldn't sing it.

Considering it was penned by a former president of Plaid Cymru who has a conviction for defacing English language road signs, I assumed it was a pro-independence song of some sort. But to be honest it's difficult to work out what the lyrics are really supposed to mean. Maybe something gets lost in translation, but a fair percentage of it reads like gibberish to me.
30-03-22, 21:11
Hilts

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

It has been done.

True story. I used to conduct a male voice choir in the valleys and I got them to learn Yma O Hyd. Other male voice choirs were singing it successfully with little fuss. Unfortunately, the choir I was with had quite a strong older right wing element. One refused to sing about Maggie as she was his hero. One English guy refused to sing it as he (wrongly) believed it was an anti-English song. A couple of others thought (wrongly) that it is a pro-independence song and thought we shouldn't sing it.

On the flip side, another choir I am currently with sing it regularly and have changed Maggie to Boris.

You should have found another choir.
30-03-22, 22:09
Eric the Half a Bee

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Originally Posted by Hilts

You should have found another choir.

I did.
30-03-22, 22:10
Eric the Half a Bee

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Considering it was penned by a former president of Plaid Cymru who has a conviction for defacing English language road signs, I assumed it was a pro-independence song of some sort. But to be honest it's difficult to work out what the lyrics are really supposed to mean. Maybe something gets lost in translation, but a fair percentage of it reads like gibberish to me.

And that's the point. It's not difficult to work out what the lyrics mean.
30-03-22, 22:34
Wash DC Blue

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Originally Posted by splott parker

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Shame you couldn’t hang on for the Swansea game. Safe trip:thumbup:

Thank You SP.
31-03-22, 05:40
splott parker

Re: Yma O Hyd

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Considering it was penned by a former president of Plaid Cymru who has a conviction for defacing English language road signs, I assumed it was a pro-independence song of some sort. But to be honest it's difficult to work out what the lyrics are really supposed to mean. Maybe something gets lost in translation, but a fair percentage of it reads like gibberish to me.

A stirring song, no doubt but it does seem like it was written by a 321 script writer.
31-03-22, 07:28
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

And that's the point. It's not difficult to work out what the lyrics mean.

Well it's got me. I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't know what the lyrics are supposed to mean.
31-03-22, 07:52
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Well it's got me. I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't know what the lyrics are supposed to mean.

Despite the best endeavours of others like Thatcher, the country established by Macsen, the Welsh Roman Emperor 1600 years ago is still here. Give or take a bit of poetic licence.
31-03-22, 07:55
blue matt

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POv-3yIPSWc

If only songs were this simple, like in the old days :hehe:
31-03-22, 08:02
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Despite the best endeavours of others like Thatcher, the country established by Macsen, the Welsh Roman Emperor 1600 years ago is still here. Give or take a bit of poetic licence.

And some inclement weather, apparently.
31-03-22, 08:03
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

And some inclement weather, apparently.

Doh, it wouldn't be Wales otherwise!
31-03-22, 08:08
JamesWales

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Sorry, just read that again. Is the singer (and the song) not linked heavily with pro-independence then? Genuine question. Some stuff I was reading the other day suggested otherwise.

This was talked about in another thread where I said I liked the song but suggested the FAW may not want to get too close on what is quite a partisan song politically in a climate in Wales that may get more political in coming years with the independence debate.

My interpretation is that it's very much about the Welsh language but the singer is very much about the Welsh language and independence so I still think the FAW should not get overly cosy.
31-03-22, 08:26
The Lone Gunman

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If the translation I've read is accurate, one section of the song goes as follows:

"Let the tears of the faint-hearted flow and the servile lick the floor."

So who does Dafydd Iwan regard as the faint-hearted and the servile?

That's followed with:

"Despite the blackness around us, we are ready for the breaking of the dawn!"

What is the blackness around us? And what does the line about the breaking of the dawn signify?

Another line says:

"Despite every Dic Siôn Dafydd...."

What does the song's author mean by that?
31-03-22, 08:32
blue matt

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Another line says:

"Despite every Dic Siôn Dafydd...."

What does the song's author mean by that?

they are a character in a poem of the Welsh satirical poet Jac Glan-y-gors
31-03-22, 08:33
cyril evans awaydays

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What does the song's author mean by that?

We skipped the light fandango
Turned cartwheels 'cross the floor
I was feeling kinda seasick
The crowd called out for more
The room was humming harder
As the ceiling flew away
When we called out for another drink
The waiter brought a tray
And so it was that later
As the miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly
Turned a whiter shade of pale
She said "there is no reason"
And the truth is plain to see
But I wandered through my playing cards
Would not let her be
One of sixteen vestal virgins
Who were leaving for the coast
And although my eyes were open
They might have just as well've been closed
And so it was that later
As the miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly
Turned a whiter shade of pale
And so it was that later
31-03-22, 08:37
Swiss Peter

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

This was talked about in another thread where I said I liked the song but suggested the FAW may not want to get too close on what is quite a partisan song politically in a climate in Wales that may get more political in coming years with the independence debate.

My interpretation is that it's very much about the Welsh language but the singer is very much about the Welsh language and independence so I still think the FAW should not get overly cosy.

Thanks. I missed the other thread. I can see where you are coming from with this. It is what prompted my question really.
31-03-22, 08:38
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

What does the song's author mean by that?

Can't say I recall A Whiter Shade of Pale being sung at Welsh internationals, but I've missed a fair few in recent years.
31-03-22, 08:40
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by blue matt

they are a character in a poem of the Welsh satirical poet Jac Glan-y-gors

I'm aware of that. But who is the author of Yma O Hyd referring to? Who are the 'Dic Sion Dafydds' as far as he and those who champion this song concerned? What is the context?
31-03-22, 08:42
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Can't say I recall A Whiter Shade of Pale being sung at Welsh internationals, but I've missed a fair few in recent years.

I thought you were struggling with the concept of lyrical interpretation not location. My mistake.
31-03-22, 08:43
delmbox

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Jesus Christ, overthinking this a bit aren't we some of you? 30000 Welsh people sing a song together, build up a brilliant atmosphere and have a great time, let's find some negatives
31-03-22, 08:44
JamesWales

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Can't say I recall A Whiter Shade of Pale being sung at Welsh internationals, but I've missed a fair few in recent years.

A whiter shade of Bale would sound quite stirring coming from the Canton end in full voice.
31-03-22, 08:45
JamesWales

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Jesus Christ, overthinking this a bit aren't we some of you? 30000 Welsh people sing a song together, build up a brilliant atmosphere and have a great time, let's find some negatives

Don't bring Jesus into it. He has enough going on with his first Christmas world cup coming up
31-03-22, 08:46
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Don't bring Jesus into it. He has enough going on with his first Christmas world cup coming up

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