Mental Health Amongst The Homeless

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If I am running myself into a early grave and the likes of you ....from up your way , behind your keyboard .....continually ring the bell that says scrounger then you are going to get a reaction . I mean what else do you expect ? .

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I wouldnt expect someone who worked to take the bait so easily. If someone persistently called me a work shy scrounger I would just laugh because ive worked 30 years straight since leaving school and never been out of work. So why would it wind me up? It wouldnt.

Obviously, in your case, the truth hurts.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I wouldnt expect someone who worked to take the bait so easily. If someone persistently called me a work shy scrounger I would just laugh because ive worked 30 years stright since leaving school and never been out of work. So why would it wind me up? it wouldnt.

Obvioulsy the truth hurts.

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Well I will repeat again

You wanna see the pudding , pm me

I am only 30 minutes away

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

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OK fair enough

If you want to see my financial details pm me

Get your money out

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I dont need ot want to see your financial details, its obvious you are a champagne socialist who is living off money he inherited.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I dont want to see your financical details, its obvious you are a champagne socialist who is living off money he inherited.

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Gobshite shithouse xx

See you down the ground

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well I will repeat again

You wanna see the pudding , pm me

I am only 30 minutes away

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might this be the 1st CCMB wedding about to happen, I might need to check if my Suit still fits me

well that didnt last long

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Gobshite shithouse xx

See you down the ground

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Youll be lucky I am a season ticket holder at Merthyr Town now. Youre welcome to pop up but make sure you brush your teeth.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Youll be lucky I am a season ticket holder at Merthyr Town now. Youre welcome to pop up but make sure you brush your teeth.

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Are you seriously one of that lot ?

Very loyal but odd

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Originally Posted by blue matt

might this be the 1st CCMB wedding about to happen, I might need to check if my Suit still fits me

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I have been knocked back by uncle selwyn ff sake

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

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Are you seriously one of that lot ?

Very loyal but odd

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Oh the irony

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Oh the irony

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Well you are a married man with kids and you spend time on here ?

That's odd

Kinell, this must rank as the most venemous thread I've viewed here during the past 21 years. Others that became too personal were locked as they risked descending to the level of abuse that has peppered this discussion.

About the only insult that hasn't been hurled is the ultimate one; that of being an admirer of Swansea City FC. But the way it's going I'll give it till half eight tonight before somebody's dismissed as a Jack kent.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well you are a married man with kids and you spend time on here ?

That's odd

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Is it?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Is it?

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Yeah

If I had a wife , kids I wouldn't be on here much

You gave us War and Peace over McCarthy and Morison

Thread of the year

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Yeah

If I had a wife , kids I wouldn't be on here much

You gave us War and Peace over McCarthy and Morison

Thread of the year

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Put the phone down or keyboard away Sludge, this is pitiful to witness.

Go and have a brew, you’re obviously getting yourself into an unnecessary emotional state.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Put the phone down or keyboard away Sludge, this is pitiful to witness.

Go and have a brew, you’re obviously getting yourself into an unnecessary emotional state.

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See back on here again 5 minutes later

Take her out for a curry , take her shopping , buy your daughter a horse

Just stop spending your life on here

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's why you have been away

You have had a bad patch

Nothing to be ashamed of but you can't lecture others without doing the same

You spent months on here whipping things up then vanished then came back

You get from me what you give out , I think you are fake

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I have been in fantastic health.

Decided to knock distractions on the head for a while, it's good to experiment. I noticed I slept better when I wasn't using the internet so much, and wasn't as distracted in work.

You get away with murder on here, people feel sorry for you because you give off victim vibes, you've had a hard life (in your view not compared to most I'd add) so no w you take it out on strangers on the internet to make yourself feel better.

Why did all these things happen to me etc...

The rest of us woke up got out of bed and got on with it.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I have been in fantastic health.

Decided to knock distractions on the head for a while, it's good to experiment. I noticed I slept better when I wasn't using the internet so much, and wasn't as distracted in work.

You get away with murder on here, people feel sorry for you because you give off victim vibes, you've had a hard life (in your view not compared to most I'd add) so no w you take it out on strangers on the internet to make yourself feel better.

Why did all these things happen to me etc...

The rest of us woke up got out of bed and got on with it.

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You went away

You came back

You are still persona non grata

Spend time with your daughter , it's got to be better than letting this mind cancer get to you

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Magic money tree again?

It's so easy to deal with all of these problems, just spend more money, it's free............................

Get with the program, we've just had a one-in-a-hundred-year event, the pandemic, and there is not enough money to fund the NHS let alone build a shed load of houses.

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There was plenty of dough swishing about for PPE?

I wonder where most of that ended up?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I agree with all of that

But where does this idea that the council are great and the voluntary sector who are dependent on them are frittering away cash whilst the homeless suffer ?

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I don't think I actually said that butt?

27 years working in homelessness services.

You?

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I don't think I actually said that butt?

27 years working in homelessness services.

You?

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But I keep my hand in

Your implication was that the council funded the voluntary sector .....which is generally correct and the voluntary sector don't appear to be doing a very good job of getting results with what they are given

There is no other conclusion I think I can make from what you have posted

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

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But I keep my hand in

Your implication was that the council funded the voluntary sector .....which is generally correct and the voluntary sector don't appear to be doing a very good job of getting results with what they are given

There is no other conclusion I think I can make from what you have posted

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Your interpretation.

I will stand by what I did say in that I feel homelessness services would be better served with a centralised strategy and operational delivery instead of the fractured nature it has and currently still experiences. I worked both third sector and statutory. Took VR a few years ago and went back on the actual day to day. Been to a few units of temporary accommodation this afternoon and was dealing with rough sleeper at past 7pm. Do I get an award?

You won’t like hearing this but outcome wise some of the charities are all style no substance. The outcomes achieved over the years have been questionable although not having access to adequate other services will always be an issue if health and substance misuse services are not drastically improved. For equilibrium, the third sector services delivering some homelessness services will always be pissing in the wind without those major improvements.

I’m not particularly having a go at Shelter but what frontline services do they deliver? Could someone in extreme and immediate housing need be able to realistically contact them now if needed, or would they need to go to the local authority? I always wondered how some charity CEOs salary sat with him when he was pontificating to local authority staff whilst eating vol au vents at some conference?

I firmly believe everyone should be able to get independent housing advice but for the money Shelter get I query their worth?

Housing Act Wales
Rent Smart Wales
Renting Homes Wales

all led by the Senedd.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Your interpretation.

I will stand by what I did say in that I feel homelessness services would be better served with a centralised strategy and operational delivery instead of the fractured nature it has and currently still experiences. I worked both third sector and statutory. Took VR a few years ago and went back on the actual day to day. Been to a few units of temporary accommodation this afternoon and was dealing with rough sleeper at past 7pm. Do I get an award?

You won’t like hearing this but outcome wise some of the charities are all style no substance. The outcomes achieved over the years have been questionable although not having access to adequate other services will always be an issue if health and substance misuse services are not drastically improved. For equilibrium, the third sector services delivering some homelessness services will always be pissing in the wind without those major improvements.

I’m not particularly having a go at Shelter but what frontline services do they deliver? Could someone in extreme and immediate housing need be able to realistically contact them now if needed, or would they need to go to the local authority? I always wondered how some charity CEOs salary sat with him when he was pontificating to local authority staff whilst eating vol au vents at some conference?

I firmly believe everyone should be able to get independent housing advice but for the money Shelter get I query their worth?

Housing Act Wales
Rent Smart Wales
Renting Homes Wales

all led by the Senedd.

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No you don't get an award

I don't like shelter cymru personally and their office in Walter Rd Swansea was a nightmare to get to in the morning

Shanni Morgan , Rhodris daughter worked there in the old days although I have nomidea what she's up to these days

I have no idea what you are on about with regard to the vol o vents .....do you mean Jon Puzey ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

No you don't get an award

I don't like shelter cymru personally and their office in Walter Rd Swansea was a nightmare to get to in the morning

Shanni Morgan , Rhodris daughter worked there in the old days although I have nomidea what she's up to these days

I have no idea what you are on about with regard to the vol o vents .....do you mean Jon Puzey ?

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John Puzey retired a few years ago. I personally ghink his biggest contribution to homelessness in Wales was being buddies with the Senedd member who drafted the Housing Act? The reality was though the Act followed some practices that were already in practice.

The reality also is at this moment local authorities are reliant on charitable organisations to deliver services. Lots of innovative stuff going on, some good, some crap.

Personally, schemes like Housing First, Rapid Rehousing etc will always be up against without access to other services such as mental health.

Sadly, at this moment too and relating to rough sleepers, I think it's inevitable there'll always be a cohort who suffer from it due to individual choice a fear to use hostels, choose not to as they're able to undertake their lifestyle choices also remember temporary accommodation providers not being able to manage risk for some so they're unable to access them.

Should people give to rough sleepers directly? Hmmm... I go with no as you could be facilitating their lifestyle choices which could include crime, ASB, substance misuse.

Worked on Walter Road myself. Great organisation, now no longer with us. Best organisation I worked for. Really had their fingers on the pulse of their service users. Ball ache for parking there. Great pub the George nearby though which compensated.

No award to be given? Offended. *laughing*

Regards Sludgey.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

See back on here again 5 minutes later

Take her out for a curry , take her shopping , buy your daughter a horse

Just stop spending your life on here

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Buy her a horse??!?! You’d only be screaming that I was a Tory and could have bought her a pony and given the rest to charity instead.

As for you telling anyone else to stop spending their life on here. Jesus wept. Irony post of the year that. Top of the pops. Straight in at number for Xmas.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Buy her a horse??!?! You’d only be screaming that I was a Tory and could have bought her a pony and given the rest to charity instead.

As for you telling anyone else to stop spending their life on here. Jesus wept. Irony post of the year that. Top of the pops. Straight in at number for Xmas.

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Back on here again ?

Sort your life out

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

John Puzey retired a few years ago. I personally ghink his biggest contribution to homelessness in Wales was being buddies with the Senedd member who drafted the Housing Act? The reality was though the Act followed some practices that were already in practice.

The reality also is at this moment local authorities are reliant on charitable organisations to deliver services. Lots of innovative stuff going on, some good, some crap.

Personally, schemes like Housing First, Rapid Rehousing etc will always be up against without access to other services such as mental health.

Sadly, at this moment too and relating to rough sleepers, I think it's inevitable there'll always be a cohort who suffer from it due to individual choice a fear to use hostels, choose not to as they're able to undertake their lifestyle choices also remember temporary accommodation providers not being able to manage risk for some so they're unable to access them.

Should people give to rough sleepers directly? Hmmm... I go with no as you could be facilitating their lifestyle choices which could include crime, ASB, substance misuse.

Worked on Walter Road myself. Great organisation, now no longer with us. Best organisation I worked for. Really had their fingers on the pulse of their service users. Ball ache for parking there. Great pub the George nearby though which compensated.

No award to be given? Offended. *laughing*

Regards Sludgey.

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I worked for Oxford Housing Rights Centre in the early nineties who were funded by Shelter National

I don't like the digital and e mail world of advice and support these days and I am glad to be out of it .

Happy Xmas