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05-01-23, 15:14
Rjk

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

Having taken us up previously on an absolute shoestring - a very balanced argument. :facepalm::wave:

Absolute shoestring? you must be joking.

We were still in receipt of parachute payments that season so for starters we had 3 times the football budget than most clubs in the division.
then that season alone we spent £6.5m on Gary Madine, £3m on Lee Tomlin, £1.5m on Danny Ward and over 500k on Omar Bogle

Thats almost £12 million on strikers most of whom were crap for us.

Imagine spending £12 million on 4 players now?
05-01-23, 15:15
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by goats

Guess we couldn’t afford to blow that much as it was a crucial time when we really needed to just stay up, to think we almost did it is remarkable really….I just think he’s one of those managers that can put a decent championship or league 1 side together for peanuts but struggles any higher. Was listening to TS the other day talking about Brighton, can’t recall the exact details but the team that beat Everton cost less than one Everton player and less than Warnock spent with us….

Brighton don't splash out on transfers to the extent some other clubs do but - they are £426 million in debt to Tony Bloom, and last season lost close to £60 million. The PL is only surviving because the debt is all with the owners. Club struggling financially - just lend it another £100m
05-01-23, 15:22
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

100% not true that he's being lined up according to Hudson today.

What is Tan going to say, though :hehe:

Oh yeh, Mark, it's definitely true but just manage the next few will you while we try to convince Neil :hehe:
05-01-23, 15:24
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

Having taken us up previously on an absolute shoestring - a very balanced argument. :facepalm::wave:

He spent loads, and our wage bill was the 3rd highest in the league I think. Look, he got us up, that doesn't matter. What does matter is what a mess he made of the PL team and then the Championship side after that. We spent about 50m on crap.
05-01-23, 15:24
City123

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

Having taken us up previously on an absolute shoestring - a very balanced argument. :facepalm::wave:

£5m on Madine, £1.5m on Tomlin, £1.6m on Ward, £700k on Bogle, £400k on Paterson. Shoestring?

That's without counting the wages, signing fees etc of his free transfers or the fact he was adding to a good Championship squad that cost millions anyway
05-01-23, 15:29
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by City123

£5m on Madine, £1.5m on Tomlin, £1.6m on Ward, £700k on Bogle, £400k on Paterson. Shoestring?

That's without counting the wages, signing fees etc of his free transfers or the fact he was adding to a good Championship squad that cost millions anyway

Only Paterson got in our best side, as well...

Hoilett Zohore NML
Ralls Patto Gunnar
Bennett Bamba Morrison Bruno
Etheridge

6 of them were signed by other managers, and all of his best signings were free transfers/small compensation.

That team would absolutely murder this season's side, mind. 10 wins out of 10.
05-01-23, 15:39
City123

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Only Paterson got in our best side, as well...

Hoilett Zohore NML
Ralls Patto Gunnar
Bennett Bamba Morrison Bruno
Etheridge

6 of them were signed by other managers, and all of his best signings were free transfers/small compensation.

That team would absolutely murder this season's side, mind. 10 wins out of 10.

Any of our current 11 get in that side? I don't think so
05-01-23, 15:50
Dave St

Re: Neil Warnock

Warnock is like a magician! great at fooling everyone whilst lining his own pockets and of those close to him. Glad he came and got us to the prem, but he's just a modern day crook who knows how to use the system
05-01-23, 15:52
Tuerto

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Dave St

Warnock is like a magician! great at fooling everyone whilst lining his own pockets and of those close to him. Glad he came and got us to the prem, but he's just a modern day crook who knows how to use the system

And he doesn't leave clubs in a healthy position. He's very much about the 'Now' to the point that he damages football clubs.
05-01-23, 15:54
Rjk

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

And he doesn't leave clubs in a healthy position. He's very much about the 'Now' to the point that he damages football clubs.

yep, and we are very much not in a win-now position. We need to be building something over a few years.
05-01-23, 16:02
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by City123

Any of our current 11 get in that side? I don't think so

Maybe Romeo as Manga isn't really a right back but I'm not convinced, and Warnock would go Manga every time. The rest? No chance.
05-01-23, 16:03
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Rjk

yep, and we are very much not in a win-now position. We need to be building something over a few years.

I don't think we're in that position, either. I can't see us being a Champ club in a few years. If we can't buy anyone next summer, we are stuffed even if we stay up this time. This is the first embargo of 3. This is only the beginning.
05-01-23, 16:08
Rjk

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Maybe Romeo as Manga isn't really a right back but I'm not convinced, and Warnock would go Manga every time. The rest? No chance.

Yes of course he would - this is the same Warnock who didn't fancy Djed Spence at right back for Middlesborough, and shipped him out on loan to Forest - where he was immediately player of the season, forest got promoted and Spence got sold for £15 million.

I think Warnock played Lee Peltier instead.
05-01-23, 16:15
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Yes of course he would - this is the same Warnock who didn't fancy Djed Spence at right back for Middlesborough, and shipped him out on loan to Forest - where he was immediately player of the season, forest got promoted and Spence got sold for £15 million.

I think Warnock played Lee Peltier instead.

It was Dijksteel. Warnock also started playing Isiaih Jones at LWB, he just didn't fancy Spence. God knows why.
05-01-23, 16:15
goats

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Brighton don't splash out on transfers to the extent some other clubs do but - they are £426 million in debt to Tony Bloom, and last season lost close to £60 million. The PL is only surviving because the debt is all with the owners. Club struggling financially - just lend it another £100m

Surprised to hear that, they don’t spend much on transfers and have sold big recently too…..
05-01-23, 16:19
the other bob wilson

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It was Dijksteel. Warnock also started playing Isiaih Jones at LWB, he just didn't fancy Spence. God knows why.

He’s young, looks a little frail and attacks too much.
05-01-23, 16:20
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by goats

Surprised to hear that, they don’t spend much on transfers and have sold big recently too…..

They lost that in 2020-21, they sold all their players in 21-22 and 22-23.
05-01-23, 16:22
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

He’s young, looks a little frail and attacks too much.

Why play Isiaiah Jones then who he turned into a wing back from a winger? Whole thing was odd. In fairness, he didn't sell him, either. Boro did more than alright out of that loan!
05-01-23, 16:25
Hilts

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Even out of position id have Manga over Romeo.

Romeo is one of our decent Championship players though.
05-01-23, 17:11
NYCBlue

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

If you open your window you can hear the sound of tans head exploding

Bobby Reid. What a bargain. Warnock got nothing out of him. Now starts for a top 10 EPL club.
05-01-23, 17:21
blue matt

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It was Dijksteel. Warnock also started playing Isiaih Jones at LWB, he just didn't fancy Spence. God knows why.

Wrong Agent ? ?
05-01-23, 17:29
City123

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It was Dijksteel. Warnock also started playing Isiaih Jones at LWB, he just didn't fancy Spence. God knows why.

Mentioned something along the lines of attitude issues didn't he?

Jones is pretty good to be fair!
05-01-23, 22:14
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Bobby Reid. What a bargain. Warnock got nothing out of him. Now starts for a top 10 EPL club.

Reid didn’t cost us money though. He was never a Warnock player though, a really odd signing in hindsight. Good player mind, him and Camarasa always linked up well
05-01-23, 22:15
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by City123

Mentioned something along the lines of attitude issues didn't he?

Jones is pretty good to be fair!

Yeh I think so. Warnock told him he’d be premier league or non league, I think. Conte does not fancy Spence one bit
05-01-23, 22:31
stan butler

Re: Neil Warnock

The reckon the club has no intention of having him and Sol back. I don't want them back either..
He's trying his !uck with pompey with his false i l love the club ,the fans and so on :facepalm: if he gets the job the bullshitters on here and elsewhere will be making crap up like we couldnt compete or he wanted to come but the club turned them down :xmashehe:
06-01-23, 01:14
NYCBlue

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Reid didn’t cost us money though. He was never a Warnock player though, a really odd signing in hindsight. Good player mind, him and Camarasa always linked up well

We were lucky enough to sell him on. We still paid him though. I'm pretty sure Warnock said of him after he left "I wanted to build a team around". What a blatant lie.
06-01-23, 06:18
Rock_Flock_of_Five

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Reid didn’t cost us money though. He was never a Warnock player though, a really odd signing in hindsight. Good player mind, him and Camarasa always linked up well

Bobby Reid and Camarasa, they both had good movement about them and liked playing the ball on the deck - not your typical Warnock kind of players.
I felt that Camarasa always seemed to struggle with the abrasiveness of the British game, never seeming to see out the end of a match.
06-01-23, 10:52
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Bobby Reid and Camarasa, they both had good movement about them and liked playing the ball on the deck - not your typical Warnock kind of players.
I felt that Camarasa always seemed to struggle with the abrasiveness of the British game, never seeming to see out the end of a match.

Camarasa plaued 90 minutes in nearly every game! He scored my favourite goal of that season in the 94th min. Loved him, someone that could actually play, along with Decordova-Reid.
06-01-23, 10:54
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

We were lucky enough to sell him on. We still paid him though. I'm pretty sure Warnock said of him after he left "I wanted to build a team around". What a blatant lie.

We should have. That team at Old Trafford should have been our side going forwards.

Hoilett, Decordova-Reid, Murphy behind Zohore. Ralls and Bacuna. That would have been OK. Instead we flogged Decordova-Reid, WBA paid silly money for Zohore and we signed a load of shite. We'd have been challenging if we kept them and signed a good right back.
06-01-23, 11:08
Rjk

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We should have. That team at Old Trafford should have been our side going forwards.

Hoilett, Decordova-Reid, Murphy behind Zohore. Ralls and Bacuna. That would have been OK. Instead we flogged Decordova-Reid, WBA paid silly money for Zohore and we signed a load of shite. We'd have been challenging if we kept them and signed a good right back.

I think it was pretty much the only game we played zohore, Decordova reid and Murphy together wasnt it?
06-01-23, 11:34
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I think it was pretty much the only game we played zohore, Decordova reid and Murphy together wasnt it?

I'm pretty sure it was, mainly because Zohore was utter shite for us in the Premier League.
15-01-23, 21:55
North Cardiff Blue

Re: Neil Warnock

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rk-Hudson.html

It seems the most obvious choice, ideally we would go for the very best we could get long term, but would they come in our current position?

Warnock to the end of the season makes sense, Tan can't afford for us to go down, so I think they will try and persuade him, and knowing Warnock and us being his kind of people, he'll take one MORE last job.

Fairly obvious wasn't it, I thought he would have started straight after Leeds, but it was only a week later that Hudson went.

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