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He said the language of the 30s not the actions of the 40s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Usually enjoy watching motd (prob a bit old fashioned in that respect) but with it now just being straightforward highlights will just chuck sky on.
Apart from the news I guess there’s nothing else on bbc now
More news - All the BBC commentators have decided not to commentate on MOTD tomorrow.
Absolutely, but there are too many who are too stupid to realise this.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
It is completely dissimilar when context is considered. Because Jews were fleeing Nazi Germany because they ended up getting slaughtered for their race/religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
In the UK we are talking about people coming TO the UK (and stopping abuse of that system).
The differences are so stark that to make the analogy is totally ignorant. I suspect you know that. Labour will be no different when in power. They will have to talk tough on this, and when they do, that also will not be a sign of some impending fascist takeover.
It's all a bit nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
Like the horse is dictating where the jockey can go....
Ultimately, that shit's going to fail, surely.
The Nazis started murdering people in the early 1930s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
That has nothing to do with what Lineker tweeted, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yep, it probably reinforces the point that there is a lot to be learned from history, lest we forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
With the commentators now dropping out all that’s needed is for the players not to create any highlights. If only city were still in the top flight
Yup, like those who thought that Corbyn was a 'Trot' and would have the Lumpen in thrown into gulags if he were to be elected, there were people who were to stupid to understand that would never happen, but it was the narrative for a time, and it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
YOU'RE making that analogy James, not Gary Lineker.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You've made it all up in your head and created your own furore.
The dehumanising language that was used by the government the other day was absolutely reminiscent of something that would have been used 1930s Germany.
Keep harking on about the differences in the situations all you like as Linker didn't make any comparisons other than to criticise the language being used.
I think deep down you actually know this.
With language?!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Anyone who thought that was wrong. But that is EXACTLY the tactic people are deploying now - using an extreme example to try to make a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Saying Corbyn will make Britain communist - Wrong
Saying the vaccine is like the Holocaust - Wrong
Saying current policy is like the Nazis - Wrong.
It's all fkn stupid. World war 2 analogies nearly always are.
Who is saying this?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Hang on are you now saying language doesn't matter?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
Nope..I'm replying to whoever it was that said the comments were about the 1930s not actions in the 1940...but the Nazis started murdering people in the 1930s.
Who said the "current policy is like the Nazis"?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Tomorrow's papersQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
https://news.sky.com/story/saturdays...pages-12427754
"Hang on are you now saying language doesn't matter?!"Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
What?
?????Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
This has definitely backfired for the BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I’d guess the mail were the first to paraphrase, like tomorrows front page which James sharedQuote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
The express is hilarious, celebrating the big deal rishi has brokered where france will accept more money. The brexiteers will be over the moon no doubt
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
If you are suggesting that people need to explicitly say those exact words for that meaning to be taken then by definition you are undermining Linekers tweet, because Suella Braverman has never made a speech like in 1930s Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
You can't have it both ways.
If Lineker didn't think he was linking govt policy to the Nazis then maybe he should think more carefully before tweeting and make his point in a more intelligent manner?
Anyway, I'm off to bed. You are all a bunch of stinking smelling Nazis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Guten Nacht!
And after the "lettuce" from the Daily Star, "The BBC have gone too VAR". 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
In what way exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
You're basically defending Lineker's comments.
The press don't rule the rest of us ffs.
If you go on Twitter, there's a shit-ton of people that disagree with what he's said, but that won't make front-page news tomorrow, obviously.
The millionaires that support his stance, obviously will make front page news.
There's a ridiculous amount of people on social media that don't support his stance.
Who's right?
The few privelleged millionaires, or the ridiculous amount of people slamming them?
can anyone from the hive mind honestly say the asylum system can cope with the number of economic migrants coming to the uk? better 10 guilty men go free rather than 1 innocent be found guilty, why not vet all 11 and only let in the... good one
And once again you totally avoid the actual tweet itself for your own agenda. Are you being deliberately obtuse or just an awkward fecker? Lineker never suggested Braverman made a speech like in 1930s Germany. He's only mentioned the language used.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
"If you are suggesting that people need to explicitly say those exact words for that meaning" - surely that's what you do with words? Man says he's painted his garage wall white. Should we assume a subtext? You can only take Lineker's tweet for the words he used.
Lineker wasn't linking government policy to the Nazis. If he had intended to, he'd have said using those things called words. Maybe people should be more intelligent and read what is actually there, not make things up, twist things etc. You're one of the worst for this.
There are people who would show great delight if a boat with immigrants sank in the English channel. I find that very sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Jesus Christ. I feel like you're embarrassing yourself a bit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
He said that the language that was used was *like* 1930s Germany.
How the hell do you get him saying the policy was like one used in Nazi Germany from that without doing a lot of mental gymnastics?
Lineker's outspoken enough to say those words if he felt that way - but he didn't, because it isn't.
It's almost like you want to be angry about his tweet but can't be angry enough about it unless you pretend that he was saying something else.
This is a bit like when Lee Anderson said that people can prepare a meal for 30p.
You gave a couple of examples of what he might have meant by those words instead of admitting that he meant "people are able to prepare a meal for 30p".
This is pretty much the same as what I replied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Understand Match of the Day commentators may also boycott tomorrow’s show. Talks taking place with union reps. More to follow <a href="https://twitter.com/thetimes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thetimes</a> shortly.</p>— Matt Lawton (@Lawton_Times) <a href="https://twitter.com/Lawton_Times/status/1634317347514118150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Certain people here and the usualQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Media are coming in swarms to gear up Linekers language, when he was just asking the govt to tone down its language
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Eric, I am sure you are smarter than this. You don't need to gaslight people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
He linked the current govt policy to Nazi Germany. A well paid lawyer could argue he didn't mean that, I am sure he wishes he had referenced it slightly better, but that's what he said and people are fine to take that inference.
In the same way that Clarkson probably didn't literally mean that Meghan Markle should be paraded naked through the streets, but that is what he wrote and what he was reprimanded for.
Criticise the policy all you like, but when you make lazy references to the holocaust, world war 2, Hitler, Nazis etc, then you are playing with fire really, and people are bound to take umbridge.
Second world war analogies should be used very very sparingly in my opinion.
Anyway, I am off to bed, so g'night!
Economic migrants aren't asylum seekers.Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Sincerely,
The Hive Mind
No he didn't. You, and other right wing cretins have invented this to suit your agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Come back to me when you're actually prepared to discuss the words Lineker used, not what you think he might have meant. Otherwise, don't bother as I'm not going to waste my effort replying to your fiction.
But James, the stuff about corbyn was allowed on so many different platforms and by so many different individuals, there was another accusation made against him which i shall not mention, which wasn't true of him, yet all of these things were allowed to burn without much challenge from anyone, yet what linekar has said has caught the attention of the media and this board, as well as other social platforms at astronomical levels, yet a right wing media and political figures making shit up in order to destroy an individual (corbyn) was seen as fair game and people just seemed to accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I was about to be a smart arse and say "let's leave it alone lads, tomorrow is another day", and then I looked at my clock and tomorrow is today 😐
"In the same way that Clarkson probably didn't literally mean that Meghan Markle should be paraded naked through the streets, but that is what he wrote and what he was reprimanded for"Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Nice analogy, except Clarkson wrote those exact words, even if he didn't mean it literally.
You have placed your own interpretation on Lineker's words which didn't once compare the government's policy to Nazi Germany.
He did say (in case you missed it the other 1000 times it's been pointed out to you) that the language they used was like 1930s Germany.
Wonderful news , goodbye to bloated self indulgent overpaid presenters , hope Wright and Shearer follow , there smart arse pundit jokes were dreadful, just show more footy highlights , with Warnock, McCarthy & Holloway in supporting roles .
Send the wages saved to a fund to prop free licences for over 70's
What an unexpected take on these events :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The over 70s should pay double, they're the ones sat at home watching 'Waiting to die' TV, like re runs of cash in the attic.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars