FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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10-04-23, 18:05
rich munn

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

We are poor, but we aren't getting screwed, we weren't today, and had enough of the ball to do something positive with it, Sunderland were better in midfield in terms of stretching the play a bit and controlling the ball, but they weren't great either. The goal we conceded was awful all round, Ng getting too square on, and the wall braking up, and Alsops hand not being strong enough, but the rub for me is that there was no quality from us, not an ounce, not one player had the ability to do something even close to special in order to get that vital goal, it just wasn't there. Hopeful punts, stretched shots, no movement around the box and no creativity in midfield. Someone has to come up with the goods in a game like today, just for a few seconds, and it would have made all the difference.

We have needed a Barry Bannan or an Alex Pritchard for several seasons. Lamouchi plays Sawyers for that reason but he is not a busy player. Either of those 2 or Chair from QPR run every game against us.

Very poor today, deserved and got nothing, and I am an optimist. Nothing good to see.

:ayatollah:
10-04-23, 18:10
City123

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

Hopefully Birmingham get a points deduction...
10-04-23, 18:11
rich munn

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

It was out of character, doing something he’d never done before. Sawyers has been a very good Championship midfielder and through his career has played with character and bravery - he’s like Steve McPhail whose name has been mentioned in this thread in that he wanted to get on the ball and play even when things were not going well for his team, that takes character and bravery in my book.That said, he’s struggling again lately after doing well when Lamouchi first came here.

You won’t get an argument from me about Ojo though, I’m afraid I’ve given up on him after our last two home games.

Good post Bob.
10-04-23, 18:11
blue lewj

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Depends why they were brought in to the club and what characteristics were identified as being needed by Morison. Plenty of our fans could never work out why whitts didn't throw himself into tackles, it wasn't part of his game. I'm not comparing whitts ability with either sawyers or ojo, but the point I'm making stands. Anyway, enjoy your evening.

Have a look at Lamouchi's post match comments.

He certainly feels we need more character.
10-04-23, 18:20
dembethewarrior

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by City123

Hopefully Birmingham get a points deduction...

:hehe:
10-04-23, 18:24
KingOfSiamIAm

Re: CARDIFF CITY v SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by bluemoon

did ng just hit the side net from a corner...

Fair play on him, he did practice that exact same corner routine just before the players leave the pitch after the pre-match warm up.

It takes a special bit of skill and technique to recreate the exact same result during the pressure of a match in progress.
10-04-23, 18:36
KingOfSiamIAm

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

As the game progressed, the remarks you make were my thoughts exactly. And regarding the non-corner taker… I said to my Grandson that it looks like they were waiting for Joe Ralls to take it (obviously he was sat on the bench at the time).
10-04-23, 18:43
Alfresco

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

I would like to know what tactics the management employed today. What was the game plan? What ever it was it was a complete and utter disaster. Biggest load of crap I've witnessed since the Jack game.
10-04-23, 19:12
City123

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

As the game progressed, the remarks you make were my thoughts exactly. And regarding the non-corner taker… I said to my Grandson that it looks like they were waiting for Joe Ralls to take it (obviously he was sat on the bench at the time).

Thought Ralls was good when he came on today, certainly added urgency and took on responsibility, something that was lacking for much of the game
10-04-23, 19:36
Bobby Dandruff

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by rich munn

We have needed a Barry Bannan or an Alex Pritchard for several seasons. Lamouchi plays Sawyers for that reason but he is not a busy player. Either of those 2 or Chair from QPR run every game against us.

Very poor today, deserved and got nothing, and I am an optimist. Nothing good to see.

:ayatollah:

You are right. I have noticed that too: those sorts of players always do well against us :-(
10-04-23, 19:54
BLUETIT

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

Ojo is shite, end of thread
10-04-23, 20:07
UNDERHILL1927

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Ojo is shite, end of thread

TIT, I will have to agree. I have given him the benefit of the doubt but he’s poor. Sadly for us he’s not the only one by a long shot.
10-04-23, 20:35
Dave Blue

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

I would like to know what tactics the management employed today. What was the game plan? What ever it was it was a complete and utter disaster. Biggest load of crap I've witnessed since the Jack game.

That was a week ago.
10-04-23, 20:56
Pedro de la Rosa

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Fine, that's your shout. I don't agree with you. The work rate is there, the willingness is there, the quality and ability isn't unfortunately.

I agree. We tried to win a game with Ralls, Rino and Wintle in the middle. The first two can’t pass, and Wintle isn’t going to open sides up. They’re all trying, they’re just not up to it.

That being said, it was so odd to see him go away from the Blackpool side. Just doesn’t make sense. It is even more curious he brought on Simpson over Ralls.
10-04-23, 21:11
dembethewarrior

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I agree. We tried to win a game with Ralls, Rino and Wintle in the middle. The first two can’t pass, and Wintle isn’t going to open sides up. They’re all trying, they’re just not up to it.

That being said, it was so odd to see him go away from the Blackpool side. Just doesn’t make sense. It is even more curious he brought on Simpson over Ralls.

Ralls had a fitness issue according to his post match conference.
10-04-23, 22:11
blue matt

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by City123

Thought Ralls was good when he came on today, certainly added urgency and took on responsibility, something that was lacking for much of the game

Ralls played well, was direct and wanted to go forward, something we lacked massively in the 1st 1/2

Issac was the same, always looking to go forward and try and get the ball in the box
10-04-23, 22:16
bluebirdcelt

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Ralls had a fitness issue according to his post match conference.

Ralls was not great today IMO and did not look that fit to be honest, even though he helped steady the ship when he came on during the second half.

The first half performance was nothing short of dire and the goal in the second half was a soft one to give away. It was highly reminiscent of the free-kick we gave to the Jacks in our last home game.

While no-one can deny we have an unbelievably poor group of players in the squad, Lamouchi is doing nothing to inspire confidence by constantly tinkering with the formation and not allowing the group to play together consistently. Bringing Ojo back was definitely a massive mistake as was the strange formation he used during the first part of the match which clearly didn't work. Taking Philogene off was another error has he is one of the few that can actually create chances

Sunderland had nearly 74% possession during the first half compared to our measly 26%.

I am personally not convinced Lamouchi is the one to save us - his record speaks for itself. I am not a great fan of Warnock either, but he has really turned things around at Huddersfield and got them playing for him.

Unless Lamouchi pulls off a miracle and manages to get us 7-8 points from the last few games I fear the worst. If this is the case, I would hope that those in senior management take a long hard look at themselves and fall on their swords (including Dalman, & Choo) as we need a root and branch change. We also need a MASSIVE clearout of dead wood this summer and rebuild the squad.
10-04-23, 22:44
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

Just seen the goal. Allsop couldn't have fcked up any more if he tried. My granny would have got across sooner than he did. Once he did, it was the feeblest of hands.

Bring back Dimi Konstopolous.
11-04-23, 06:32
The Lone Gunman

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Just seen the goal. Allsop couldn't have fcked up any more if he tried. My granny would have got across sooner than he did. Once he did, it was the feeblest of hands.

Those in the wall didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory either.
11-04-23, 07:32
Hilts

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Those in the wall didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory either.

I havent seen the replay but if Bobs report is correct and we were showing him the inside of the post then he has to take some responsibility for lining it up as well.

Is Alnwick that bad that he cant be considered a better option.?
11-04-23, 08:55
The Lone Gunman

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Hilts

I havent seen the replay but if Bobs report is correct and we were showing him the inside of the post then he has to take some responsibility for lining it up as well.

I watched the replays this morning. The ball went right through the wall between Kipre and McGuinness. Terrible defending once more.
11-04-23, 09:21
Rjk

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I watched the replays this morning. The ball went right through the wall between Kipre and McGuinness. Terrible defending once more.

the keeper still should have done better with it, yes there's more than an element of bad luck with it as the ball could have gone anywhere off the post and it happened to fall to the only Sunderland player who had followed it in, but we didn't deserve any more from the game.

it does feel as though we've been getting more than our fair share of unlucky bounces and deflections this season, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that we weren't good enough.

props to the manager though for making bold changes early， that did appear to change things. Mick would have waited for the 70th minute to bring a sub on.
11-04-23, 09:39
The Lone Gunman

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Rjk

the keeper still should have done better with it

Certainly, and I'm no fan of Allsop to put it mildly, but if the wall had done its job the ball would never have reached the keeper.
11-04-23, 09:43
dembethewarrior

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Certainly, and I'm no fan of Allsop to put it mildly, but if the wall had done its job the ball would never have reached the keeper.

If the defenders did their jobs for 90 minutes the ball would never reach the keeper.

When called upon he's there to stop the ball going in the net. He failed. Again. He's useless.
11-04-23, 09:51
Rjk

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Certainly, and I'm no fan of Allsop to put it mildly, but if the wall had done its job the ball would never have reached the keeper.

Dillon Phillips was quite highly rated before he came to us, and Allsop had a pretty good season for Derby iirc.
what are we doing to make these keepers worse consistently?
11-04-23, 10:07
Hilts

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I watched the replays this morning. The ball went right through the wall between Kipre and McGuinness. Terrible defending once more.

Cheers ive only seen it live.
11-04-23, 10:32
the other bob wilson

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

I’d only seen it once when I said it went around the side of the wall, but, having looked at it three or four more times, it’s more thatMcGuinness turns outwards and the ball goes through the gap he created - still not sure about the lining up of the wall, but it was more down to McGuinness than Allsop.
11-04-23, 11:48
Dorcus

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Dillon Phillips was quite highly rated before he came to us, and Allsop had a pretty good season for Derby iirc.
what are we doing to make these keepers worse consistently?

Is Peter Enckleman in charge of Goalkeeper coaching here?
11-04-23, 12:03
TWGL1

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Is Peter Enckleman in charge of Goalkeeper coaching here?

Sunderland had a makeshift back three to make matters worse
11-04-23, 13:38
Tuerto

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’d only seen it once when I said it went around the side of the wall, but, having looked at it three or four more times, it’s more thatMcGuinness turns outwards and the ball goes through the gap he created - still not sure about the lining up of the wall, but it was more down to McGuinness than Allsop.

Bad all round. Ng got square on, his feet were rooted for the foul. The wall was abysmal, and the keeper let himself down, although to throw Alsop a bit of a lifeline, he would never have expected the wall to break like that, and the ball was right on the near post, although he was still part of the three way problem.
11-04-23, 14:19
logic

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

It's clear our goalkeeper is the real problem.

Ok our defence is top 10 in least goals conceded, but it's Allsop's fault we can't hit a cows arse with a banjo up front.
11-04-23, 14:28
LA Bluebird

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Imagine how much higher we’d be if we had a keeper who didn’t go down in installments on any shot from outside the penalty area. Good with the ball at his feet, but the worst shot stopper I’ve seen at this level in a long time.

Totally agree that there is plenty of blame to go around on the goal but with the pace of the free kick and where he was positioned you’d expect a youth team keeper to be turning that one around the post.
11-04-23, 14:40
Rjk

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Originally Posted by logic

It's clear our goalkeeper is the real problem.

Ok our defence is top 10 in least goals conceded, but it's Allsop's fault we can't hit a cows arse with a banjo up front.

we concede relatively few shots per game, only 6 clubs concede fewer

However we concede a relatively high number of goals per shot faced - about the 10th highest in the division
11-04-23, 14:48
logic

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Rjk

we concede relatively few shots per game, only 6 clubs concede fewer

However we concede a relatively high number of goals per shot faced - about the 10th highest in the division

Which is still not the reason we're where we are.

Lacks of goals, lack of creativity is.
11-04-23, 14:51
dembethewarrior

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by logic

Which is still not the reason we're where we are.

Lacks of goals, lack of creativity is.

If you don't concede you don't need to score...as often 👀
11-04-23, 14:55
City123

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by logic

Which is still not the reason we're where we are.

Lacks of goals, lack of creativity is.

It shows that the keeper is still a problem though and worth discussing. Nobody's claiming he's the sole reason we are where we are, but he has contributed. When the attack is toothless you need the keeper to help you out, Allsop very rarely does. You're that we are desperate for creativity but it doesn't mean we should ignore the other problems
11-04-23, 15:45
dembethewarrior

Re: FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 SUNDERLAND. Match thread

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Originally Posted by City123

It shows that the keeper is still a problem though and worth discussing. Nobody's claiming he's the sole reason we are where we are, but he has contributed. When the attack is toothless you need the keeper to help you out, Allsop very rarely does. You're that we are desperate for creativity but it doesn't mean we should ignore the other problems

It's weird how we always end up taking sides over things like this isn't it :hehe:

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