The manager situation - one thing's become clear now.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I thought Antwi got better as the season went on and the notion of him playing for the first team did not seem daft at times. However, you're right to mention his age and I agree completely with you and Adrian Alston's point about the sort of signings we make for the under 21 team.

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Agree, but then he is not as good as Eli King and will not be as good as Joel Colwill or Owen Prichard (who may end up as a right back. The point is that he and the others were totally pointless signings; used up financial resources, not potential 1st team players and blocked the progress more talented, younger home produced players (which in turn hinders local academy recruitment).

I can't but help that at best they were agent sweetners, and at worst - well it does not need to be said ...

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

My, very long, take on the situation at City.

https://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

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A good read (as always), thank you.

Now, get on with another book.

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Originally Posted by AdrianAlston

A good read (as always), thank you.

Now, get on with another book.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

My, very long, take on the situation at City.

https://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

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I've always thought that what galvanized the club under initially Hammam's 'ownership' 22 yrs ago was the general sense of excitement. Things were happening, players and manager and coaches all seemed to be caught up in it. We, the fans felt the club had finally awoken after nearly 30 years of dejection. It's not just results, it's whether there's expectation, hope, and a board that recognizes that it's crucial to keep their [fickle] supporters on board.
It's the 'treading water' bit with me - Tan et al just going through the motions. Choo and Dalman have no real affinity to the club, nor has Tan now, they seem almost embarrassed by it. The Sala accident has been a personal tragedy and a business one, but the club can't move on until it's resolved. at the moment I think Tan sees this as his over-riding project, not the club, and whilst would wish the club to be a Championship club when he sells, it probably doesn't bother him as much as cutting costs.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I've always thought that what galvanized the club under initially Hammam's 'ownership' 22 yrs ago was the general sense of excitement. Things were happening, players and manager and coaches all seemed to be caught up in it. We, the fans felt the club had finally awoken after nearly 30 years of dejection. It's not just results, it's whether there's expectation, hope, and a board that recognizes that it's crucial to keep their [fickle] supporters on board.
It's the 'treading water' bit with me - Tan et al just going through the motions. Choo and Dalman have no real affinity to the club, nor has Tan now, they seem almost embarrassed by it. The Sala accident has been a personal tragedy and a business one, but the club can't move on until it's resolved. at the moment I think Tan sees this as his over-riding project, not the club, and whilst would wish the club to be a Championship club when he sells, it probably doesn't bother him as much as cutting costs.

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Good post. Tan is acting like someone who isn't bothered about relegation, but I don't get that - the amount he gets for the club if he sells has to be reduced pretty dramatically if we're in League One.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Good post. Tan is acting like someone who isn't bothered about relegation, but I don't get that - the amount he gets for the club if he sells has to be reduced pretty dramatically if we're in League One.

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Who knows what's happening. Selling Kortrijk with the rumours of adding value to CCFC could point to him getting out of football altogether.

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Originally Posted by bigjoe

Who knows what's happening. Selling Kortrijk with the rumours of adding value to CCFC could point to him getting out of football altogether.

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I hope he gets out as soon as possible!

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Originally Posted by bigjoe

Who knows what's happening. Selling Kortrijk with the rumours of adding value to CCFC could point to him getting out of football altogether.

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I’d definitely agree you were on to something if it were not for the Sala case. We’ve seen one or two examples of what Tan is like when he thinks he’s been wronged over the last thirteen years - he’s like a dog with a bone. The words”in it for the long haul” were used to describe the club’s attitude to the Sala case by someone who was at the meeting Mehmet Dalman had with the supporters’ groups after the Huddersfield match and that just sounded right to me.

I asked about why City needed £13 million cash (as reported in that Wales Online article) because it occurred to me that must be about what is owed to Nantes now if you add the interest we seem to be liable for, but I just don’t see that being the reason Tan is selling Kortrijk and I’d be amazed if anyone would be willing to buy us while the Sala situation remains unresolved.

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I’d be amazed if anyone would be willing to buy us while the Sala situation remains unresolved.

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I think this is the most salient fact around what is currently going on. The club's worth is almost impossible to estimate with the Sala litigation ongoing. There is a potential liability running into probably GBP 15-20M given the interest etc. Then there is the potential upside if Tan wins the case against Nantes which might run up to GBP 100M. It seems to me Tan's orders are to do just sufficient to keep the club viable while the various legal cases are ongoing. What that seems to mean is doing just (as Tan sees it) enough to try to keep it in the Championship.

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I think this is the most salient fact around what is currently going on. The club's worth is almost impossible to estimate with the Sala litigation ongoing. There is a potential liability running into probably GBP 15-20M given the interest etc. Then there is the potential upside if Tan wins the case against Nantes which might run up to GBP 100M. It seems to me Tan's orders are to do just sufficient to keep the club viable while the various legal cases are ongoing. What that seems to mean is doing just (as Tan sees it) enough to try to keep it in the Championship.

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Your theory sounds right to me. It could very well be Tan is playing the litigation roulette game in the hope of receiving a swift £100 million. Cardiff City's fortunes appear further down his list of priorities. One hopes if he wins we'll see the back of him fairly quickly.

If Tan seriously thinks hes going to be awarded 10p let alone £100m he must be seriously bonkers.

What a feckin joke.

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If Tan seriously thinks hes going to be awarded 10p let alone £100m he must be seriously bonkers.

What a feckin joke.

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I think you might be on to something here.

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Your theory sounds right to me. It could very well be Tan is playing the litigation roulette game in the hope of receiving a swift £100 million. Cardiff City's fortunes appear further down his list of priorities. One hopes if he wins we'll see the back of him fairly quickly.

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More chance of £100million doing the EuroMillions lottery.

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I think this is the most salient fact around what is currently going on. The club's worth is almost impossible to estimate with the Sala litigation ongoing. There is a potential liability running into probably GBP 15-20M given the interest etc. Then there is the potential upside if Tan wins the case against Nantes which might run up to GBP 100M. It seems to me Tan's orders are to do just sufficient to keep the club viable while the various legal cases are ongoing. What that seems to mean is doing just (as Tan sees it) enough to try to keep it in the Championship.

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except that in terms of the club's value, relegation wouldn't necessarily make much difference. You're right though, he'll hang on to the club until one way or the other the Sala saga is over, especially now he's looking for £100m

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

except that in terms of the club's value, relegation wouldn't necessarily make much difference. You're right though, he'll hang on to the club until one way or the other the Sala saga is over, especially now he's looking for £100m

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We'd have lower revenue and our playing assets would drop in value alongside no longer being sold as a Championship club one good year from the PL. I imagine that would hurt the club's value

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

City sacked Hudson on 14/01/23 and appointed Lamouchi on 27/01/23.

The announcement about Lamouchi leaving was made on 17/05/23, so it'll probably be a few days yet before his successor is appointed if previous form is anything to go by.

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Morison sacked on Sept 18th. Hudson appointed 14th NOVEMBER (after a less than impressive caretaker spell)

Don’t expect an appointment within 2 months.

I rest my case.

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Morison sacked on Sept 18th. Hudson appointed 14th NOVEMBER (after a less than impressive caretaker spell)

Don’t expect an appointment within 2 months.

I rest my case.

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We don't even have a caretaker or a coaching staff at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We don't even have a caretaker or a coaching staff at the moment.

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I'll do it.
250k for the year (or until sacked)

Glass half full….
What if the delay is down to trying to hire a Director of Football before a manager?

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Glass half full….
What if the delay is down to trying to hire a Director of Football before a manager?

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hahaha

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hahaha

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Ok, Maybe not!

Could there be anything in this? Leaving to manage an unnamed club, and we have been interviewing in the US….

https://www.theguardian.com/football...h-bj-callaghan

pochettino ruled out :hehe:

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Could there be anything in this? Leaving to manage an unnamed club, and we have been interviewing in the US….

https://www.theguardian.com/football...h-bj-callaghan

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He's off to the middle east.

Wales Online putting a positive spin on things in this wide ranging overview of the club's situation.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...rdiff-27025902

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Wales Online putting a positive spin on things in this wide ranging overview of the club's situation.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...rdiff-27025902

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City twitter fauns all over Glen Williams but the truth is he knows about as much as I do and his job is to try and make City news when there isn't any.

Give me a ccfcwelshlad blog and I'll read that every day.

Oscar Garcia

https://twitter.com/MatteMoretto/sta...05794272772098

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Oscar Garcia

https://twitter.com/MatteMoretto/sta...05794272772098

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Same journo that broke the Kaba signing

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Oscar Garcia

https://twitter.com/MatteMoretto/sta...05794272772098

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Who's replacement at Reims has bettered his results with footballing craft and knowledge gained from playing football manager.

Of course I am under selling Will Still here, but when a hungry young manager can dramatically improve the results of the same team, it doesn't bode well if Cardiff are looking at these types of managers. And a quick check on Wikipedia shows his longest spell at any club is 18 months at RB Salzburg... Lovely stuff

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%...er,_born_1973)

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Who's replacement at Reims has bettered his results with footballing craft and knowledge gained from playing football manager.

Of course I am under selling Will Still here, but when a hungry young manager can dramatically improve the results of the same team, it doesn't bode well if Cardiff are looking at these types of managers. And a quick check on Wikipedia shows his longest spell at any club is 18 months at RB Salzburg... Lovely stuff

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Reims finished 11th this season under Still, they finished 13th last season under Garcia in their first season in Ligue 1.

Still has been coaching since he was 17. All this Football Manager stuff is funny but in reality, it is bollocks. This is his third managerial job.