Yeah it's odd that isn't it. I for one think everybody who works at whatever bank she had an account at should resign, it's an assault on our freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Yeah it's odd that isn't it. I for one think everybody who works at whatever bank she had an account at should resign, it's an assault on our freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
That’s unlike her not to mention this, she is usually very good at getting air time and publicity
Do you have the source article?
John Mann , Labour MPQuote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Refused a job by Ciba Gigy after The Economic League informed them he was a subordinate
Which might have just mean he stood on a picket line when he was a student
Will that do ?
If you want to find evidence of right wing moves to snuff out the left Google The Economic League
Going on way before poor little nigel got his fingers burned
And everybody who has walked past the bankQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Or has the letter a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p in their name
Resign
Then prison
Well, you just can’t barrage the Farage, can you?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Gina Miller? The queen of the Squealing Marys after Brexit thought she could raise the profile of her low ranking hedge fund bt attaching herself to the anti-Brexit campaign. The banks egged her on as they didn’t have the guts to take it on. She spent money. She lost. Brexit went through. Her credibility shot. Far from raising her profile she is now seen as a woke loser in the City’s hedge funds. Her profile is now lower than before, as evidenced by the lack of attention now gets. Bless her, she is still trying her best to raise her crap profile. She is a loser, and a charmless one at that.
Farage on the other hand is a wily old fox. With a good background in metals trading and deep understanding of te financial markets, politics and history, he knows when to strike a win, and when to lay low. The Brexit Party at the Euro elections a few years back were a huge success - a win. He got Brexit in the bag - a win. Now he has clubbed the forgettable woke-head at NatWest, Alison Rose. Another win chalked up. He served the head of Coutts leader on a plate. Another win chalked up. He has the Chairman of Natwest panicking and on the ropes. A few more jabs and I reckon he’ll be out for the count. Probably another win there.
People can be Squealing Mary as much as they want, but the woke have had the whip hand for a decade or so, and people are now having enough. The boot is on the other foot and the screamers don’t like it. I suspect Farage is a bit unsavoury behind the scenes but he is an effective leader, debater, politician and presenter and successful in all those arenas.
There are winners and losers in life. Love him, loathe him, or indifferent, he is a winner and is a case study in personal effectiveness. His opponents are a lesson in failure, and no amount of squealing by his detractors can avoid the fact that they are losers, and are being repeatedly clubbed at full force like a baby seal.
John Mann is a very bad example of 'the left'.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
He has been a raving right-winger all his life.
Supports Leeds too!
He's a moderateQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
And therefore left enough for the economic league to want his arse
Fecking hell how creepyQuote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
You salivating right wing sop
Farage is a self obsessed twat
He will try and get another stupid right wing party started up , tell everyone he's not racist , get defeated at the ballot box then vanish again
Next
A winner who has stood for Parliament seven times if I remember rightly and has yet to be victorious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
I think you really should go for a quiet sit down in a darkened room.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/g...-b1097379.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Agree, can't stand the man (excuse the pun)Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The obnoxious Farage is not fit to clean the clinkers from Gina Miller's arse. I'm not keen on her because she's a wealthy businesswoman but I admire her guts in taking this corrupt government to court in order to defend democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
on the plus side they paved the way for the oppressive left stonewallQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Standing for parliament isn’t the only definition of winning, albeit a narrow crude one. The cause that he stood for for over a decade, and resisted by Major and Cameron/Osborne, Labour, SNP and Plaid Cymru, was successful. The skill in his achievement was getting Brexit achieved without winning a Parliamentary seat. His life goal was achieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Many politicians can sit in a seat for a decade and not achieve their life goals. You have a very odd way of looking at politicians and politics if you look at things that narrowly. Or you are desperately trying to convince yourself that he has failed.
Perhaps it is time for your retirement home Bob. I’d say you’ve lost the plot completely.
I thought you were gay: I thought you'd be a supporter of Stonewall!Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Viva Alan Turing!
i am gay thats why i don't support stonewallQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
You seem so in praise of farage its almost like you are his pr agent or shagging himQuote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
It's cringeworthy
Bloody hell I'm lost for words! Life is crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
Blimey, what you were drinking yesterday must have been potent :hehe:. Early in the thread I cocnceded that Farage was the wronged party in this affair and,although there have been a few revelations since then which suggest things aren’t quite as simple as he makes out, I’d say that basic truth still applies.
All I did was question the media’s approach by contrasting the way they reported, or, more accurately, didn’t report, that someone on the complete opposite side of the Brexit argument also had their bank account closed for “political reasons”.
That point has been completely ignored by you in a bizarre and bonkers manner as you come up with a pro Farage/anti Miller rant which might have been relevant seven years ago, but has nothing to do with point I was making.
if I could try to sum it up in terms of the what I was saying, it reads like you think it was wrong for Farage to have his account closed because he’s a winner and right for Miller’s to be closed because she’s.a loser. What a mad, and dangerous, way of looking at things if you really do believe that - both Farage and Miller should not have had their accounts closed for political reasons, surely that’s the truth of the matter.
The words “win” and “winner” occur throughout your daft post and so it was an obvious counter to point out that your serial winner has a notoriously bad losing record when it comes to trying to become an MP and it must be said that, so far at least, the cause that he fought for three or four decades (not the you talk about) is not going well in most people’s eyes is it?
Not quite the same thing bob, hers was for a political party garage was for a non political business account. Farage if I remember correctly does not run or is in charge of a political party
Her account was for the true and fair political party
Farage was for Farage media ltd
But Farage has been basing his grievances on the fact that it was his politics that got his bank account closed, while Miller’s was clearly political - are you saying that Farage is wrong to believe his account was closed because of politics?Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Gina millers bank did not allow bank accounts to be set up for political parties
Farage account was exited because didn’t like his political opinion
One decision was based on a fact the other decision was based on a bank not liking the politics if someone
To make easier - farage media ltd is not a political party it is a ltd company
Ps when people resort to “are you saying…” that’s what Cathy Newman tried on Jordan Peterson..with interesting results 😉
I see that How to Split Hairs seminar you went on last week went well then.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Surely any political party should have a bank account? So why would a bank refuse to have a political party as a client? The only answer I can come up with is that they would not want to be accused of favouring one side of the political spectrum over another, but it makes no difference politics were the reason that Gina Miller’s account was closed.
As far as Farage goes, we have the CEO of the bank being forced to resign because she admitted that the decision to close his account was down to his politics and the man himself claiming the same thing, yet you are saying you know better than them.
I had to look up Cathy Newman and Jordan Peterson were and I definitely won’t be asking you the same question thirty odd times, just the twice. Your use of the word “resort” is interesting as if it is some sort of sign of desperation. On the contrary, I think it’s you who is being desperate by aligning yourself to a different view than the one Farage is taking.
I have never voted for UKIP nor Brexit Party. I commenting on his political skills and ability to be effective, not whether I like him or his party. That is the thing with you pal - if you don’t like someone’s politics you cannot assess their abilities objectively. You are too heatedand too emotional. You cannot seperate your feelings from a rational, detached assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
“Shagging”. “Creepy”. Seriously, how old are you? Grow up, man. I you had studied or applied leadership skills, you would assess someone’s skills in a detached way, and not whether you like them or not.
Some fair points although slightly dated. I’ll concede on one or two there but not most. I actually agree that Miller and Farag were both wronged, but this is the slippery slope that many have warned about for years about woke politics - where companies are now taking sides on social issues and politics when it should not be a part of their raison d’etre. Most people have warned of this woke slippery slope but many ignored the warnings, not being able to think more than one step ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It really doesn’t matter how good the effect of Brexit are going, which is a 50/50 contentious subject. In terms of effective leadership he has achieved what he set out to achieve over 15 years ago. And if a leader delivers on their goals they are an effective leader. Whether they are good or bad or not, is for voters to decide. As a leader he persuaded Cameron to offer the referendum, he increased UKIP’s power sufficiently to scare Cameron into doing so, he achieved huge results for the Brexit Party in European elections, he persuaded over half the country to vote Brexit against the odds, he even managed to scare Labour enough into not talking about Europe for the moment.
Colossal achievements in British politics, to dominate the agenda even though he isn’t part of either main party. Very powerful leadership, even though I don’t like not trust the guy. Whether his methods are ethical, or whether the results are a good or bad thing, are seperate discussions on which a range of opinions will be floating around. But he got what he wanted - and that is effective, powerful leadership
Instead of talking so much right wing guff about your hero try rationing your wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
It's boring self indulgent cobblers
I try not to go on twitter much - you tend to dip your toe in for five minutes and it comes out smelling of sewerage.
However I did see that Farage posted about Gina Miller losing her account and she publicly thanked him.
Whatever the full story is in both cases, given the divisions of recent years I actually found it a rather nice thing to read.
That's a much more even handed message than your first one was and I generally agree that Farage is one of the most important political characters in this country of the twenty first century - even if I would argue that he is a flawed major player in the political game. I read an article in the Guardian of all places last week that was very respectful of Farage's abilities as they set out an argument for saying he was the figure who could be said to have dominated UK politics in the last twenty odd years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
I'm not sure I'd go that far. For example, Dominic Cummings' simple "take back control" line was perhaps decisive in the outcome of the Referendum because it captured in the most simple terms the powerlessness people in what I'll call working class areas of the country were experiencing.
It’s strange how some people are now attempting to be nice about farage, it’s all rather cringey. If people think he’s an evil racist narcissist xenophobic nut case then why are people changing their minds….bizarre
Coutts have now offered him both accounts back, personally I hope he continues until legislation is enacted.
He will get substantial damages and then the ICO can issue the data breach fine.
Precedent is established and it is at last a win against large corporate banks for everyone to benefit from
I am not changing my mind on farageQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
He's an utter cxxx and always has been
Unlike your good self, not everyone has the gift of engaging in objective, balanced and interesting political analysis regarding politics, Sludge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I am not interested in debating politics with ToriesQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
You don't say!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
he does, and often. must have brain rotQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;5442845]
That's a much more even handed message than your first one was and I generally agree that Farage is one of the most important political characters in this country of the twenty first century - even if I would argue that he is a flawed major player in the political game. I read an article in the Guardian of all places last week that was very respectful of Farage's abilities as they set out an argument for saying he was the figure who could be said to have dominated UK politics in the last twenty odd years.
I'm not sure I'd go that far. For example, Dominic Cummings' simple "take back control" line was perhaps decisive in the outcome of the Referendum because it captured in the most simple terms the powerlessness people in what I'll call working class areas of the country were experiencing.[/
He is a contender but I agree I am not sure I would go that far either Bob. If it is twenty years I am minded to pass that award to Blair who really did dominate in every sense and exited unbeaten. Nicola Sturgeon could also make a strong case. Tough one, but I think Blair might have to nick it.
By the way Bobby, no beers involved the other night. I am tea total these days. That said late night tiredness in play, and wanted to apologise for the ageist comments. Not necessary, not required and not really sure why I said. We might sit on the opposite benches on politics but nevertheless - a genuine handshake and apology offered to a respected messageboard poster
Yet weirdly he spends a lot of time on here debating (in the loosest of terms) all things politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
It’s a sort of political ADHD plus some memory loss. A brain that is stuck in a Thatcher obsessed fog….
[QUOTE=Keyser Soze;5442978]:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;5442985]Give it a few weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
Tory Arse BoreQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster