FT: HULL CITY 3 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Agreed but did you enjoy the football that was served up?

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Nobody enjoys losing

We have done too much of that recently

Our good start now seems like a miracle. We were a basic league 1 squad last season and should have gone down, but although we're now playing dreadfully, at least with new faces in January we will stay up. Not having seen Rotherham, can anyone tell me of a Championship club that has a worse squad ?

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Our good start now seems like a miracle. We were a basic league 1 squad last season and should have gone down, but although we're now playing dreadfully, at least with new faces in January we will stay up. Not having seen Rotherham, can anyone tell me of a Championship club that has a worse squad ?

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Us , according to some of our idiots

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Nobody enjoys losing

We have done too much of that recently

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And some are very concerned by this. There doesn't appear to be an end in sight to these woeful performances. Fans can forgive a few bad results as long as the team gives everything and there are decent performances. That's not even happening. Maybe this squad hit its peak in September and that's as good as it'll be this season. I don't believe it's just a case of new faces in January, either. Something doesn't seem right.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

And some are very concerned by this. There doesn't appear to be an end in sight to these woeful performances. Fans can forgive a few bad results as long as the team gives everything and there are decent performances. That's not even happening. Maybe this squad hit its peak in September and that's as good as it'll be this season. I don't believe it's just a case of new faces in January, either. Something doesn't seem right.

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They've run out of steam. Bulut has worked the bollocks off this lot and they've hit a wall. Everything is sloppy, there's no composure, players reactions are half a second slower than they were a month ago. Bulut has to arrest this decline, although God knows how he is going to do it. Not one player is showing up at the moment, which tells me that it's a group problem.

It’s a tough ask to get wins if you don’t set out to do so. God knows what he tells his players. I don’t see many away games but at home when we should be forceful and on top from the off, we always give the opposition a free pass, usually until we go behind and have to resort to desperate stuff.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They've run out of steam. Bulut has worked the bollocks off this lot and they've hit a wall. Everything is sloppy, there's no composure, players reactions are half a second slower than they were a month ago. Bulut has to arrest this decline, although God knows how he is going to do it. Not one player is showing up at the moment, which tells me that it's a group problem.

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I think we have players who know Bulut doesn't fancy them and who know they'll be moved on or fall down the pecking order. I think maybe Bulut overestimated their maturity expecting them to work hard to show him they've got what he wants. It looks like that may have backfired. We have some players that are knackered and some that are starting to sulk. I get the impression Bulut expects everything from every player. And we have players that just want to play the way they're used to and the way they prefer.

The last couple of months have not been great, but Bulut has shown me enough that I want to see what he can do in January and beyond. Even these past few games I still see things I like from this team. I'm content to live on those scraps for now.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I think we have players who know Bulut doesn't fancy them and who know they'll be moved on or fall down the pecking order. I think maybe Bulut overestimated their maturity expecting them to work hard to show him they've got what he wants. It looks like that may have backfired. We have some players that are knackered and some that are starting to sulk. I get the impression Bulut expects everything from every player. And we have players that just want to play the way they're used to and the way they prefer.

The last couple of months have not been great, but Bulut has shown me enough that I want to see what he can do in January and beyond. Even these past few games I still see things I like from this team. I'm content to live on those scraps for now.

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Good shout, agree with you about Bulut. He puts responsibility on to the players, i know it's not popular, but i don't mind it, and i don't mind him calling people out either, if they deserve it. I think that he had an initial plan with this group. Work really hard, keep the ball away from the middle of the pitch, get it wide etc. It was working, but it's gone to shit now as it was probably easy to work out. I'm still onside with him, but he needs to get at least three players in who can make a difference in january, otherwise he's ****ed.

I think look at Ramsey and Colwill as maybes and not count on them

Ramsey may or may not be fit

Colwill may or may not turn out to be the player we would like

So bulut should look for 2 new faces in the middle and 2 new faces up front ....or maybe three

Ir Ramsey gets fit and colwill shows what he's about great if not these new signings should see us through

Then next season he can sweep right through

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

And some are very concerned by this. There doesn't appear to be an end in sight to these woeful performances. Fans can forgive a few bad results as long as the team gives everything and there are decent performances. That's not even happening. Maybe this squad hit its peak in September and that's as good as it'll be this season. I don't believe it's just a case of new faces in January, either. Something doesn't seem right.

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I think that's too dramatic

4 new faces and we have a good side

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think that's too dramatic

4 new faces and we have a good side

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Even 3 new faces, Ramsey, ODowda, Ralls playing makes a totally different look to the team.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Even 3 new faces, Ramsey, ODowda, Ralls playing makes a totally different look to the team.

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Ralls is a very important player for us and whilst he doesn't do anything fancy he's missed when he's not on the pitch

Can't see Ramsey playing much this season or any future seasons. We can't rely on him.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Ralls is a very important player for us and whilst he doesn't do anything fancy he's missed when he's not on the pitch

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Agree, also think we need better or at least another option.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Agree, also think we need better or at least another option.

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Ramsey is a great link between the midfield and attack but he's getting on and he's injured

A would prefer a playmaker in the middle who can play box to box and if he continues to struggle to get fit that's what I think we should sign

I think a kav type player would be perfect

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Ramsey is a great link between the midfield and attack but he's getting on and he's injured

A would prefer a playmaker in the middle who can play box to box and if he continues to struggle to get fit that's what I think we should sign

I think a kav type player would be perfect

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I would be surprised if we didn’t have a midfielder and a “no 10” come in along with a striker and another.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

I would be surprised if we didn’t have a midfielder and a “no 10” come in along with a striker and another.

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I don't like number 10s

I think they are wasted if they are not in the action

Colwill doesn't defend because its not his game even if its drummed into him

Kav is what we need , in the action

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I don't like number 10s

I think they are wasted if they are not in the action

Colwill doesn't defend because its not his game even if its drummed into him

Kav is what we need , in the action

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I think the issue is not the “10” as Ramsey filled it well, it’s more Robinson and Colwill (at least for me) are not up to it in that role. A good number 10 can bring everything together.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

You can't say that about Colwill. According to some on this forum, he's the creative spark we desperately need.
I'd argue he's simply not athletic enough for the modern game.

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Colwill gets an unnecessarily amount of slating on here IMO.

He is creative and fairly strong, from what I've seen. My minor criticism of him is that he's ever so slightly clumsy, particularly in situations when he doesn't have any support around him, I.e when he's closed down in the corners.

I know he's starting to lose his 'young lad' tag but he hasn't played much football. I've noticed he's started the last two matches, maybe the manager sees potential in him, and perhaps he's been putting in a graft during training.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They've run out of steam. Bulut has worked the bollocks off this lot and they've hit a wall. Everything is sloppy, there's no composure, players reactions are half a second slower than they were a month ago. Bulut has to arrest this decline, although God knows how he is going to do it. Not one player is showing up at the moment, which tells me that it's a group problem.

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Ramsey, Ralls, o dowda will help, as will Moore and possibly the captain of Greece if rumours are to believed? Our defence is usually ok but siopis needs someone next to him and although wintle is ok, he’s too weak most of the time so we are over run and under pressure.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I think Siopis has already got frustrated. He has, in previous games, put in the effort to win the ball, then passes it to Wintle (or whoever) only to see the ball squared or passed back.

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Because he can’t or won’t take responsibility for being the one to link back and front. Someone said good player - maybe. But also extremely limited for me.

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

Collins, Siopsis, Ugbo, Meite and Grant were really poor but Colwell gets the most comments

Colwell is like a classy outside half, behind a dominant pack he'll tear you apart but on the back foot he looks a liability.

Everyone has the template on how to beat Cardiff, the manager needs to show he is as good as the talk and change that....

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Some sense spoken at last. But didn’t you know you’re not allowed to criticise siopis…..

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I've only just seen the match. How awful. Can't see us getting anymore points this year.