PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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22-02-25, 16:27
Rock_Flock_of_Five

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Harsh but fair :-)

Not really. You could have just simply answered the question.
22-02-25, 16:28
bluesp

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

And yet some people on here are happy with a draw.

Against one of the worst teams in the division. :-/

10 men for most of the second half, plus a load of injury time, a keeper on one leg - yes we should have put 5 on them!
22-02-25, 16:32
Canton Kev

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

Hard to pin down how to feel about that result. Based on the second half, down to 10 and losing players to injury, I’d have taken a draw.

Based on the first half I’m disappointed it wasn’t 2 or 3 nil at half time.

Portsmouth, Plymouth and Hull in quick succession is the big moment of our season. We threw it away against Pompey and were unlucky today. What will Tuesday bring?
22-02-25, 16:34
Des Parrot

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I've seen bad sides before, but somehow it feels as though this one is close to being half decent if only they could stop shooting themselves in the bollocks

Totally agree. We’ve had much worse sides but we’re not helping ourselves by poor decision making and lack of belief.
22-02-25, 16:35
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

Fair play, that was one shit football match.
22-02-25, 16:38
Rock_Flock_of_Five

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

And yet some people on here are happy with a draw.

Against one of the worst teams in the division. :-/

We were on course for a win, the next goal was only going to come from us.
Then Goutas getting sent of changed things. Bagan having to go off further hampered us.
Those circumstances meant we couldn't be gung-ho. Nevertheless, I still thought we had it in us to get the winner, Plymouth really were THAT poor.
I can't understand why Meite was brought on. What did Riza think he was going to do - hold the ball up?
22-02-25, 16:40
Rock_Flock_of_Five

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Fair play, that was one shit football match.

I disagree. We played some nice stuff until the sending off.
22-02-25, 16:44
Kerkyra Blue

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

Am I missing something here . I enjoyed that game .We played really well for the first 25 minutes and could have scored 2 or 3 goals . They had one shot ! After the sending off it was backs against the wall . Not pretty but exciting to try and hold on . That is called
entertainment in my eyes . If people want Real . Liverpool , Barca football they are not going to get it with City .
Lets be honest The best football played in the 2 nd tier has only been a couple of years with Scoular and a couple with Jones .
If people are constantly disappointed City is not for them .
22-02-25, 16:56
Michael Morris

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22-02-25, 17:04
Jonezy17

Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

inWe’ve had big defensive problems all season.

Really should have put Plymouth away before the red card. They were not only terrible but also clearly knackered after spending 90 minutes in a grim physical battle with Luton on Wednesday. However, City once again failed to make their superiority count before Goutas made a mess of things.

It’s a point from an alleged six-pointer. Not good, but the division is so poor it will no doubt prove beneficial in the long run.

This team, though. People wax lyrical about some of these players on a regular basis. Truth is they haven’t been higher than 17th in the table all season. Today was an another indication of why that is. Neither the players nor the management and coaching set-up are very good.

Sean Morrison is a free agent, maybe he can help out until then? 👊🏻
22-02-25, 17:42
Hilts

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Kerkyra Blue

Am I missing something here . I enjoyed that game .We played really well for the first 25 minutes and could have scored 2 or 3 goals . They had one shot ! After the sending off it was backs against the wall . Not pretty but exciting to try and hold on . That is called
entertainment in my eyes . If people want Real . Liverpool , Barca football they are not going to get it with City .
Lets be honest The best football played in the 2 nd tier has only been a couple of years with Scoular and a couple with Jones .
If people are constantly disappointed City is not for them .

Rubbish.
22-02-25, 17:45
Steve the Tea

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Former Labour leader

Couldn't watch after sending off. A Redcard happy ref. VAR may have overturned it.
We were far better side in first half and did very well to hang on for a point.
A point was the minimum needed from this game, real shame Hull won away.
Looks like we've got big defensive problems for Tuesday.

This season he has now given 8 reds; two against us. He was the ref at our home game against Swansea. That said, I thought he was somewhat lenient with a few of Plymouth's challenges today, too.

StT.
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22-02-25, 17:54
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

We’ve had big defensive problems all seaso
Really should have put Plymouth away before the red card. They were not only terrible but also clearly knackered after spending 90 minutes in a grim physical battle with Luton on Wednesday. However, City once again failed to make their superiority count before Goutas made a mess of things.

It’s a point from an alleged six-pointer. Not good, but the division is so poor it will no doubt prove beneficial in the long run.

This team, though. People wax lyrical about some of these players on a regular basis. Truth is they haven’t been higher than 17th in the table all season. Today was an another indication of why that is. Neither the players nor the management and coaching set-up are very good.

1 point from our 1st 7 games was always going to give us a problem. We might have 'better' players than a few clubs around the bottom of the table but as I've continually argued, we cannot stop making simple defensive mistakes, and Goutas and Daland are at least consistent in this department. We're bottling it, and as much as it pains me to say so, our manager appears to be. well, slightly panicking. Together they aren't cut out for a relegation battle, and we seem to be getting more fragile and vulnerable as the end of the season approaches. Oh dear.
22-02-25, 17:59
Hilts

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

1 point from our 1st 7 games was always going to give us a problem. We might have 'better' players than a few clubs around the bottom of the table but as I've continually argued, we cannot stop making simple defensive mistakes, and Goutas and Daland are at least consistent in this department. We're bottling it, and as much as it pains me to say so, our manager appears to be. well, slightly panicking. Together they aren't cut out for a relegation battle, and we seem to be getting more fragile and vulnerable as the end of the season approaches. Oh dear.

If we go down the responsibility lies with our useless board.

How we are going into a relegation battle with this coaching set up is total neglect.
22-02-25, 18:16
olderblue

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Hilts

If we go down the responsibility lies with our useless board.

How we are going into a relegation battle with this coaching set up is total neglect.

We have won 3 games out of the last 20, if as some believe that the squad is mid table at best, then it can only be down to the coaching staff?

Positives today were that we hung on for a point
Salech looks like he knows how to score
Ramsey lasted a whole game

Just frustrating that we weren’t 2-3 up by half time
Colwill Alves and Meite all had decent chances just a lack of composure

Another tough game on Tuesday, it’s going to be interesting how we line up against Hull?
22-02-25, 18:19
kendoddsdadsdogsdead

Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

Millwall missed the penalty
22-02-25, 18:26
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

We have won 3 games out of the last 20, if as some believe that the squad is mid table at best, then it can only be down to the coaching staff?

Positives today were that we hung on for a point
Salech looks like he knows how to score
Ramsey lasted a whole game

Just frustrating that we weren’t 2-3 up by half time
Colwill Alves and Meite all had decent chances just a lack of composure

Another tough game on Tuesday, it’s going to be interesting how we line up against Hull?

The key statistic is that we have managed just 1 clean sheet in our last 21 league matches. Extrapolating that through the next 12 games, we're toast.
22-02-25, 19:30
the other bob wilson

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

The key statistic is that we have managed just 1 clean sheet in our last 21 league matches. Extrapolating that through the next 12 games, we're toast.

Yep, taken in isolation today, and last week, were decent outcomes, but the cold facts are that we’re a team that wins something like two matches in every nine we play, we score something like 1.1 goals a game and one clean sheet in 21 means we need to score at least two a game to win - something’s got to change hasn’t it.
22-02-25, 19:33
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

We have won 3 games out of the last 20

We've also lost only twice in our last 13 games in all competitions, or last 11 in the league. Since the 3-2 defeat to Oxford, we're ranked 14th in games since then. Only 6 sides have scored more goals than us in the league since then as well.
22-02-25, 19:50
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Yep, taken in isolation today, and last week, were decent outcomes, but the cold facts are that we’re a team that wins something like two matches in every nine we play, we score something like 1.1 goals a game and one clean sheet in 21 means we need to score at least two a game to win - something’s got to change hasn’t it.

We've conceded 10 equalising goals this season, only 3 sides have conceded more. We've scored first on 13 occasions, which is the joint second lowest in the division, winning only 6 of them. Only 4 sides have a worse ppg average after scoring first. Under Bulut, even over the last few months when we were crap, we could still win ugly by a single goal and keep a clean sheet.

I did have a look to see if we had a particularly bad record of scoring 2 in a game and not winning, but it's not been too bad. In 2008/09 we managed 8 2-2 draws that season, most of which we held a lead, and lost out on the playoffs on goals scored. In 1993/94 we scored 2 goals in a game on 18 occasions, failing to win 14 of them, losing 6!!
22-02-25, 20:58
olderblue

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

We've also lost only twice in our last 13 games in all competitions, or last 11 in the league. Since the 3-2 defeat to Oxford, we're ranked 14th in games since then. Only 6 sides have scored more goals than us in the league since then as well.

All correct, however we are ranked 21st in the league only 3 points ahead of the relegation zone

Probably only winning 3 out of the last 20 games has something to do with this
22-02-25, 21:22
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

All correct, however we are ranked 21st in the league only 3 points ahead of the relegation zone

Probably only winning 3 out of the last 20 games has something to do with this

Winning 1 point from the first 7 games also has something to do with this. Winning 7 out of 33 league games has even more to do with it. Among those 20 league games have been two cup wins.

We are in a better position than we were early in the season. We're not losing too many games. Our biggest problem has been our failure to hold on to leads.
22-02-25, 21:25
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

We've also lost only twice in our last 13 games in all competitions, or last 11 in the league. Since the 3-2 defeat to Oxford, we're ranked 14th in games since then. Only 6 sides have scored more goals than us in the league since then as well.

We have the 21st best form in our last 20 games, with 18 points. We're in deep, deep trouble. We average a goal a game this season and we have kept 4 clean sheets all season. There's a reason we're down there, and our inability to defend despite bringing in 3 centre halves for a hefty chunk of change.
22-02-25, 21:29
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Based on what? And that isn't meant in a flippant way. You make a general point, how would you evidence it? What makes us half decent, seeing as we have been in a relegation fight all season, What do you think needs to click for us to be half decent?

This, a thousand time this. We've been in relegation battles for 3 of 4 seasons, and were absolutely horrendous for over half of last season. I don't know why people maintain this lot still might come good?!
22-02-25, 21:43
olderblue

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Winning 1 point from the first 7 games also has something to do with this. Winning 7 out of 33 league games has even more to do with it. Among those 20 league games have been two cup wins.

We are in a better position than we were early in the season. We're not losing too many games. Our biggest problem has been our failure to hold on to leads.

I wouldn’t disagree that we’re in a better position than we were under Bulut
However I really believe had we gone out to get an experienced Championship Manager who understood this league, we would be in a much better position than we are today

I don’t blame Riza for grabbing the opportunity, I just haven’t seen anything that suggests he is able to take us forward, there again I don’t think anyone without a real grounding in football management would have done any better

There are well established managers available, we chose a different option, so it’s no real surprise to see us still struggling with just 3 points separating us from the relegation zone
22-02-25, 22:03
fugsyphil

Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

What's the point of playing three center halves if you still end up getting caught with a ball over the top allowing a red card last ditch poorly timed tackle. Garbage tactics
22-02-25, 22:10
2b2bdoo

Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by fugsyphil

What's the point of playing three center halves if you still end up getting caught with a ball over the top allowing a red card last ditch poorly timed tackle. Garbage tactics

There were signs the first half, even though we played reasonably well, they still looked dangerous with a ball over the top.
22-02-25, 22:23
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We have the 21st best form in our last 20 games, with 18 points. We're in deep, deep trouble. We average a goal a game this season and we have kept 4 clean sheets all season. There's a reason we're down there, and our inability to defend despite bringing in 3 centre halves for a hefty chunk of change.

We have the 17th best form in our last 27 games since Bulut left.

We have the 23rd best form since our last win.

We have the 14th best form since we lost at Oxford and ended a run of 9 without a win.

Take your pick.
22-02-25, 22:28
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

However I really believe had we gone out to get an experienced Championship Manager who understood this league, we would be in a much better position than we are today

I don't.

I don't believe experience is necessarily better. I also don't necessarily believe that another manager would have this side hovering in mid table, well away from safety. Defensively we haven't got the quality, regardless of who the manager is. Bulut went with "get everyone behind the ball and don't dare attack" and we conceded lots. Riza encourages his team to attack more as a better form of defence and we still concede too many goals.

They say a good side is built from the back. Ours isn't. Pedro De La Rosa is spot on when he mentions our inability to defend. Silk purse and sow's ear comes to mind.
22-02-25, 22:47
Wales-Bales

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

We have won 3 games out of the last 20, if as some believe that the squad is mid table at best, then it can only be down to the coaching staff?

Positives today were that we hung on for a point
Salech looks like he knows how to score
Ramsey lasted a whole game

Just frustrating that we weren’t 2-3 up by half time
Colwill Alves and Meite all had decent chances just a lack of composure

Another tough game on Tuesday, it’s going to be interesting how we line up against Hull?

I think we would have won if Colwill scored. He should have at least hit the target.
23-02-25, 05:34
the other bob wilson

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I don't.

I don't believe experience is necessarily better. I also don't necessarily believe that another manager would have this side hovering in mid table, well away from safety. Defensively we haven't got the quality, regardless of who the manager is. Bulut went with "get everyone behind the ball and don't dare attack" and we conceded lots. Riza encourages his team to attack more as a better form of defence and we still concede too many goals.

They say a good side is built from the back. Ours isn't. Pedro De La Rosa is spot on when he mentions our inability to defend. Silk purse and sow's ear comes to mind.

Clearly, the Riza approach is giving us a better chance of surviving than the Bulut one was. However, when the question is asked is this the worst Cardiff defence in a generation, the evidence tends to suggest it is. I thought we were well on the way to winning that game while it was eleven v eleven, but did I have any faith in us seeing it out for a 1-0 win? No, because we’ve only won one league game by that score all season and, let’s face it, the move which led to the game changing red card was a basic one whereby we buckled in a way that a decent defence wouldn’t have.
23-02-25, 08:43
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Clearly, the Riza approach is giving us a better chance of surviving than the Bulut one was. However, when the question is asked is this the worst Cardiff defence in a generation, the evidence tends to suggest it is. I thought we were well on the way to winning that game while it was eleven v eleven, but did I have any faith in us seeing it out for a 1-0 win? No, because we’ve only won one league game by that score all season and, let’s face it, the move which led to the game changing red card was a basic one whereby we buckled in a way that a decent defence wouldn’t have.

As Pedro says we've thrown untold £millions on 3 centre backs who can't play a game in the Championship without making a simple mistake. I never thought I'd pine for Flint/Nelson..
23-02-25, 09:05
bobh

Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Looked the right decision on the replay. He got the man , not the ball.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

He was last man when he brought down Plymouth player.

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Originally Posted by Kerkyra Blue

Does Goutas miss 3 games ?

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

How long you been watching football? Of course it’s not 3 games. Was it violent contact? NO!

So...
was it violent conduct? - 3 game ban
or
Professional foul? - one game ban.?
23-02-25, 11:36
olderblue

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I don't.

I don't believe experience is necessarily better. I also don't necessarily believe that another manager would have this side hovering in mid table, well away from safety. Defensively we haven't got the quality, regardless of who the manager is. Bulut went with "get everyone behind the ball and don't dare attack" and we conceded lots. Riza encourages his team to attack more as a better form of defence and we still concede too many goals.

They say a good side is built from the back. Ours isn't. Pedro De La Rosa is spot on when he mentions our inability to defend. Silk purse and sow's ear comes to mind.

If we manage to stay up, and it’s a big if
Would you be happy to see Riza given a contract for next season?
23-02-25, 12:30
Bobby Dandruff

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

If we manage to stay up, and it’s a big if
Would you be happy to see Riza given a contract for next season?

No but that is exactly what will/would happen.
23-02-25, 12:37
Father Dougal

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

If we manage to stay up, and it’s a big if
Would you be happy to see Riza given a contract for next season?

Only if the "Omer riza we want you to stay" chant takes off.
23-02-25, 13:30
Tuerto

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Only if the "Omer riza we want you to stay" chant takes off.

I've already started to practice it when i'm in the shower.
23-02-25, 13:41
Mr Soul '68

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Only if the "Omer riza we want you to stay" chant takes off.

and only if he fist pumps the chanting fans it in the last game of the season, after a spectacularly embarrassing defeat
23-02-25, 13:59
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

No but that is exactly what will/would happen.

Maybe, but some expected Lamouchi to be kept on. VT might not be happy with things as they stand but who knows?
23-02-25, 14:20
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: PLYMOUTH 1 - 1 CARDIFF. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

No but that is exactly what will/would happen.

He won't. Paul Abantanado is on twitter saying the team is underachieving (they're not). He'll get this from Dalman.

I think Fish needs to go and play for a full season somewhere. I don't know what level but it doesn't matter. Daland, I'm tempted to write off completely but I guess we've got 13 games left. £4m centre halves should be stand out players at this level, he looks poor in a bad side and he's 25. I've had enough of the "he's young (he's not), he's still adapting (he's not)". Even if he becomes a decent player at this level, and he's got some way to go, he's a desperately poor signing.

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