Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

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Either that or they are incredibly pissed off.

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If you are voting reform for that reason that's up to you

I would never vote for that kind of party and that's my choice too

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If you are voting reform for that reason that's up to you

I would never vote for that kind of party and that's my choice too

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The last time I voted was in 1997 for the Cool Britannia party!

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The last time I voted was in 1997 for the Cool Britannia party!

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I find that very difficult to believe

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Either that or they are incredibly pissed off.

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Or thick

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

This is such a ridiculous overreach and a straw man argument. Why are you talking about union jack t shirts? 😂

There are a tonne of issues that cause any larger problem such as the housing crisis. That's true. Divorce rates, economic changes, growth of universities, many other things too. No one denies it. The problem here is that some of you are unable (presumably ideologically so) to acknowledge that the massive increase in demand (which all comes from people) is not intrinsincly linked to a massive increase in population which is overwhelmingly derived from high immigration which is on a scale absolutely incomparable to the 80s and 90s which with respect is an era where your politics seemed to stop.

We would probably agree on many things. The need for more social housing, the need for regulation, the need to end build to let, the need to severely restrict air BnB, and many other factors. But until you address the big cause of the spike in demand you are pissing in the wind. And it's other people (not you) getting the piss in their faces through huge rents btw, although we are all paying a lot of their housing benefit collectively too.

The problem with you and Jon just talking about RTB is that while you are right in that i removed nearly a million from the social housing stock (which is bad) it also removed millions from the demand side (which is good). If those houses were back in the social housing mix they would instantly be filled by the people who currently live in them. It's a transfer of ownership that happened. It didn't impact supply and demand, aside from not being used to build new social housing, which I do entirely agree with you on.

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It didn't impact supply except the supply bit then?

Definitely true that the UK was going to see increased demand through population growth but RTB has directly impacted the amount of houses being built, which is a massive problem. Rent depends on supply/demand not cost and through a time of increased demand we have deliberately decreased supply. If social housing was accessible for more people then it feels to me like it would likely affect the prices of private rentals, yes some would leave the stock as leveraged landlords become unprofitable at a certain price point but those with the means to charge less, would.

My previous landlord was a decent guy, my rent went up maybe 5% over 3 years from 2021-2024, I think I was booted out for one reason and one reason only, if section 21 was scrapped then he would need to sell the property with me in it. I was down for work a few weeks ago and it's still sitting empty, his sale fell through and it's back on the market. Tbf it's a weird little 1 bed house so a bit niche but whatever advice he took about the impending doom has cost him 8/9 grand or so.

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Give it a rest you fabian

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You are too old to have not grown up by now.

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It didn't impact supply except the supply bit then?

Definitely true that the UK was going to see increased demand through population growth but RTB has directly impacted the amount of houses being built, which is a massive problem. Rent depends on supply/demand not cost and through a time of increased demand we have deliberately decreased supply. If social housing was accessible for more people then it feels to me like it would likely affect the prices of private rentals, yes some would leave the stock as leveraged landlords become unprofitable at a certain price point but those with the means to charge less, would.

My previous landlord was a decent guy, my rent went up maybe 5% over 3 years from 2021-2024, I think I was booted out for one reason and one reason only, if section 21 was scrapped then he would need to sell the property with me in it. I was down for work a few weeks ago and it's still sitting empty, his sale fell through and it's back on the market. Tbf it's a weird little 1 bed house so a bit niche but whatever advice he took about the impending doom has cost him 8/9 grand or so.

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No I mean it didn't impact supply in the sense that the receipts (which wouldn't have existed if they weren't sold) were not used to build new homes, which they should have done. But the basic principle of removing a million odd homes doesn't mean a million were lost as dwellings. If RTB hadnt happened, they wouldn't have been freed up. They would still be occupied by the people who bought them.

Irrespective, I don't dispute it's an ingredient in the foul tasting housing crisis cake. It's just not the biggest and that is the massive spike in demand that impacts all sectors.

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You are too old to have not grown up by now.

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Same to you

All we are getting from you is support of these right wing labour policies which are being delivered like a student sixth form political economy lecture class

The real world is that Labour are in serious trouble yet are coming up with nothing to keep even their traditional voting base on side

You sound like a suit from a focus group and all the intellectual guff is not only boring , it's getting us nowhere

You carry on , I am not interested in all the pseudo debates , it's time for heads to roll

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No I mean it didn't impact supply in the sense that the receipts (which wouldn't have existed if they weren't sold) were not used to build new homes, which they should have done. But the basic principle of removing a million odd homes doesn't mean a million were lost as dwellings. If RTB hadnt happened, they wouldn't have been freed up. They would still be occupied by the people who bought them.

Irrespective, I don't dispute it's an ingredient in the foul tasting housing crisis cake. It's just not the biggest and that is the massive spike in demand that impacts all sectors.

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They didn't have to buy the house , they chose to buy it

My view is that council houses should never be up for sale and those offered them should refuse to buy them

Then , when they pass on , the house goes back to the council to offer another person or persons low rent housing

Thus we have a supply of housing for those who need it at low rented cost

If houses are sold they are lost forever and mostly never replaced

The individual circumstances of why people buy council homes are irrelevant

It's as simple as that

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Who are you from a distance of nearly half a century to label my parents “greedy and selfish gits” and “as bad as Thatcher”? If you’ve got to apportion blame, it’s got to be at those bodies with authority to give the green light to council and social housing schemes that created the situation whereby not enough of them are being built to satisfy demand. You’re effectively saying that my parents should have decided back in the mid 70s, that they wouldn’t take up what was a once in a lifetime opportunity for them because they knew that successive Governments and local Governments in the coming decades would create a situation where the country is crying out for social and council housing - that’s ludicrous.

Posh, privileged, Blazer, Satchel and Cap kid from Cowbridge, lectures kids brought up on sink estates who's parents never had a pot to piss in, CCMB in a thread, a great start to what is going to be a long day :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Who are you from a distance of nearly half a century to label my parents “greedy and selfish gits” and “as bad as Thatcher”? If you’ve got to apportion blame, it’s got to be at those bodies with authority to give the green light to council and social housing schemes that created the situation whereby not enough of them are being built to satisfy demand. You’re effectively saying that my parents should have decided back in the mid 70s, that they wouldn’t take up what was a once in a lifetime opportunity for them because they knew that successive Governments and local Governments in the coming decades would create a situation where the country is crying out for social and council housing - that’s ludicrous.

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As far as I am concerned it's about principles then and now

That's the way it is

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Posh, privileged, Blazer, Satchel and Cap kid from Cowbridge, lectures kids brought up on sink estates who's parents never had a pot to piss in, CCMB in a thread, a great start to what is going to be a long day :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Neath

What sink estate were you brought up on then

You benefitted from right to buy so your working class diatribes on here have always been fake

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Neath

What sink estate were you brought up on then

You benefitted from right to buy so your working class diatribes on here have always been fake

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When I left home, my mum and dad were still paying rent I often had to hide and pretend I wasn’t in when the rent collector came. Since then, I’ve only lived in two homes, both with a mortgage. Benefitted? In your dreams sunshine. The Salvation Army gave my mum and me shelter when I was born, we were homeless. I wasn't born in Bristol because my mum fancied a weekend trip to the mendips. You don't know people via MB posts sonny.

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Yesterday both labour and Plaid were absolutely battered by reform in a council election in Carmarthenshire

Low turnout at 33 percent but reform polled 42 percent of the vote

I think everyone is sleepwalking

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Just wanting to get the lowlife running the country out, whatever the cost, bit like you thought with the general election I reckon.
I couldn’t care who wins as long as this shower, who think they can do anything with the nationalist freaks, are dust.

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When I left home, my mum and dad were still paying rent I often had to hide and pretend I wasn’t in when the rent collector came. Since then, I’ve only lived in two homes, both with a mortgage. Benefitted? In your dreams sunshine. The Salvation Army gave my mum and me shelter when I was born, we were homeless. I wasn't born in Bristol because my mum fancied a weekend trip to the mendips. You don't know people via MB posts sonny.

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One sold council house is one less for a council to provide for others in the future

So of course you benefitted

It's no either or when the next person on the list gets told somebody has bought the council house they hoped to get and there's no place for them

Oblivion

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When I left home, my mum and dad were still paying rent I often had to hide and pretend I wasn’t in when the rent collector came. Since then, I’ve only lived in two homes, both with a mortgage. Benefitted? In your dreams sunshine. The Salvation Army gave my mum and me shelter when I was born, we were homeless. I wasn't born in Bristol because my mum fancied a weekend trip to the mendips. You don't know people via MB posts sonny.

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One sold council house is one less for a council to provide for others in the future

So of course you benefitted

It's no either or when the next person on the list gets told somebody has bought the council house they hoped to get and there's no place for them

Oblivion

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Just wanting to get the lowlife running the country out, whatever the cost, bit like you thought with the general election I reckon.
I couldn’t care who wins as long as this shower, who think they can do anything with the nationalist freaks, are dust.

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I think if we could rewind to Carwyn Jones it would be acceptable

Wtf is Mark Drakeford still hobbling around for ?

Him , Gething , Morgan ......just not up to the job and the nonsense over 20 mph and her creeping up to Labour in London .......only for it all to go tit's up is going to result in a wipe out

I certainly hope reform don't win though

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I think if we could rewind to Carwyn Jones it would be acceptable

Wtf is Mark Drakeford still hobbling around for ?

Him , Gething , Morgan ......just not up to the job and the nonsense over 20 mph and her creeping up to Labour in London .......only for it all to go tit's up is going to result in a wipe out

I certainly hope reform don't win though

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But unfortunately there is no other party who can oust this lot…..it is what it is….desperation

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But unfortunately there is no other party who can oust this lot…..it is what it is….desperation

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I can't see anything but a reform win , even in Wales

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One sold council house is one less for a council to provide for others in the future

So of course you benefitted

It's no either or when the next person on the list gets told somebody has bought the council house they hoped to get and there's no place for them

Oblivion

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You said it twice but I still fail to see how I benefitted,
I left home at 22 so lived in council accommodation for 16 years give or take a year, if having a roof over my head means benefitted then I'm in a large group of the population including yourself. Would you like to expand benefitted ?

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When I left home, my mum and dad were still paying rent I often had to hide and pretend I wasn’t in when the rent collector came. Since then, I’ve only lived in two homes, both with a mortgage. Benefitted? In your dreams sunshine. The Salvation Army gave my mum and me shelter when I was born, we were homeless. I wasn't born in Bristol because my mum fancied a weekend trip to the mendips. You don't know people via MB posts sonny.

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Was working in Courtis rd a few weeks back Heath, Then up tp Marcross rd, where i was born. I really like Ely.

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You said it twice but I still fail to see how I benefitted,
I left home at 22 so lived in council accommodation for 16 years give or take a year, if having a roof over my head means benefitted then I'm in a large group of the population including yourself. Would you like to expand benefitted ?

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If a council house is sold then that removes a property from the list

The people that buy it benefit as do their family in the future unless it's resold back to the council

People who don't have an opportunity to get a council house no longer owned by the council .....?

They in many cases don't have a roof over their head in the first place

It's a win win for those that buy and a no chance at all even for a home for those left

Oblivion

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Was working in Courtis rd a few weeks back Heath, Then up tp Marcross rd, where i was born. I really like Ely.

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My mums her sister gave her rooms to come back to Wales. Courtis rd. was our first home as a family, but we did live with mums sister for quite some time before going to Ely, it's my earliest memories of my childhood. (rooms in Roath) but then being a little older i remember quite a bit of the spent time in ELY simply, everyone had F**ck all, generally it was safer times back then and St. Fagan's woods was the goto place where all us local scroats would go to cause mischief especially in the summer months, I very nearly came a cropper in the River Ely, I should have learned to swim 1st !!!! i'm no different to many going on about the good old days and for community stuff they were, especially i think if you lived on an estate. But having to go to an outside bog in the middle of the night pissing down with rain, blowing a gale to have a shit wasn't that great!!! on weekends we went to my nans and i was tin bathed, double dipped my my cousin :hehe: hot water from a geezer, carbolic soap that had just been used to clean Grandads arse, I believe that we went to the village where my wife was born on an away trip to Leicester, cut off from anywhere she had it a lot worse than me. But it's almost lunchtime so no more on that :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If a council house is sold then that removes a property from the list

The people that buy it benefit as do their family in the future unless it's resold back to the council

People who don't have an opportunity to get a council house no longer owned by the council .....?

They in many cases don't have a roof over their head in the first place

It's a win win for those that buy and a no chance at all even for a home for those left

Oblivion

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So the plan was to expand cardiff by 100,000 people with all the new builds to the north west off llantrisant rd from Radyr to st Fagans
And around cyncoed/llaneydern/lisvane area, aswell as lots of brownfield sites around the centre. How many were council houses? I’m sure an estate just by ikea are all council houses. Surely they must have built a few thousand? Wages are high with most couples bringing in at least £50k between them so houses are affordable at 5/6 times salary….

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So the plan was to expand cardiff by 100,000 people with all the new builds to the north west off llantrisant rd from Radyr to st Fagans
And around cyncoed/llaneydern/lisvane area, aswell as lots of brownfield sites around the centre. How many were council houses? I’m sure an estate just by ikea are all council houses. Surely they must have built a few thousand? Wages are high with most couples bringing in at least £50k between them so houses are affordable at 5/6 times salary….

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25 percent of new build have to be low cost affordable ...I think

But that doesn't necessarily mean " council "

Most rented housing these days I think is built for housing associations who have to provide most of that to people on council waiting lists

Building 3 and 4 bed family homes on big new estates makes money for the developers but it doesn't obviously cater much for smaller households , childless couples , single people etc