Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Garth Blue
Last season you said that the Championship was weak. To support your case you said that no teams were running away with the league and that teams at the bottom were often beating teams at the top (Or words to that effect. Like you I don't have the time to trawl though comments to find the exact words).
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No I didn't.
Champions Leeds lost just four times all season. The only team anywhere near the bottom who beat Leeds was Portsmouth, who finished 16th. Meanwhile, Burnley lost just twice - to Sunderland, who finished 4th, and Millwall, who finished 8th. They ran away with the league. Both sides accumulated 100 points.
I don't know where you've dreamed this nonsense up from. Last season, I stated on a number of occasions I believed the Championship lacked quality. Leeds were comfortably the stand-out team in terms of ability, while Burnley and Sheffield United were miles clear of the rest in terms of results without either of them ever looking brilliant. Meanwhile, the rest of the division was bang average at best. With the exception of the top three sides, the rest of the division was competitive, as it often is, but the football was not of a high standard in my opinion. Championship games were often a poor spectacle.
I think we may have found the problem with your perception of my posts and this message board in general. It appears you're not very good at understanding plain English.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
You judge it by the evidence you see with your own eyes (or at least I do). It's no more complicated than that really.
So far this season, the quality of the actual football in most of the League One games I've watched has been poor. The defending is generally erratic, the majority of teams seem to surrender possession very easily, a lot of the finishing is weak and a number of teams have seemed to offer very little in the final third. Also, most of the teams appear far less physical and direct than I'd expected. No doubt I'm biased to a degree as I've been watching Championship or Premier League football for so long, but while I expected a significant drop in the overall standard of play, I've been surprised by just how weak a lot of the team seem to be.
Are you sure you're not confusing the notion of a weak league with a competitive one?
Yes, but could that be because you are seeing a strong possession-based Championship team way above our opposition, making the League one teams seem weaker?
A lot of teams look scared to try and outplay us and are just parking the bus, against other teams they may look a better standard.
We beat a Premier League team the other week quite easily, yes, they changed the team, but still had many £10million and £15 million players playing, and we changed five or so.
My view is it is weaker but it's not bad, we are the right team in the right league with the right Manager for a complete rebuild and it's working out very well for us, for a change.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Yes, but could that be because you are seeing a strong possession-based Championship team way above our opposition, making the League one teams seem weaker?
I wasn’t talking exclusively about games involving City. And also, on the few occasions sides have been better than City, they haven’t looked very good either. Bradford looked pretty decent, but other than them the standard has appeared pretty grim to me.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
The terms we use to describe a division as weak, strong, good quality, mediocre, poor quality, etc, are all subjective. It's just opinions at the end of the day.
So, what are your views on what we've seen so far of League One? Would you regard the football being played by most of the teams at this level as being of a decent standard? Leaving City's form and style of play out of the equation, has anything about League One surprised you or is the quality of the division pretty much as you expected?
I was impressed by Bolton for forty five minutes at Stockport early in the season and thought Huddersfield v Stevenage was poor quality stuff, but, apart from that, I’ve not seen much else, so I can only base my opinion on our matches, so here’s my opinion on what I thought of our opponents.
Peterborough- not surprised to see them as low as they are in the table. Peterborough teams are usually high scoring, this one is nothing like that - think they’re going down.
Port Vale - better than us, stronger and more confident, but couldn’t finish.
Rotherham - worst side we’ve played, had nothing to offer going forward.i think they need to sack their manager pretty quick.
Wimbledon- think the four promoted teams have been a good advert for League 2 and, although I thought we deserved to win, I was impressed by Wimbledon.
Luton - they could feel hard done by in a way, but, in terms of quality f football, we were clearly the better team.
Plymouth - was impressed by them while it was 0-0, but they fell apart in the second half and we could have scored six.
Stockport - physical, well organized (until the 97th minute!). Should have beaten us.
Bradford - surprised me, but, more importantly, surprised our team. Deserved to win, but I thought Bradford were out on their feet in the closing minutes - I genuinely think we could have got a draw if we’d scored a few minutes earlier.
Wigan - thought they’d give us a tougher game. As I said in my blog piece, I can’t remember the last time we were so comfortable in an away game.
When I saw our pre season game at QPR, I thought we could be very good at this level and, if I’m surprised by anything, it’s how often we manage to produce form like that practice match in our league encounters. The opposition teams have not surprised me too much, they’re much like I expected based on previous seasons spent at this level.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I wasn’t talking exclusively about games involving City. And also, on the few occasions sides have been better than City, they haven’t looked very good either. Bradford looked pretty decent, but other than them the standard has appeared pretty grim to me.
This is the best year for us to be here. There's no Sunderland, Ipswich, Birmingham, Derby, Leicester etc, not even a Wrexham. There's no standout sides (other than ourselves).
We should absolutely walk this division and it will be embarrassing if we don't.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
The terms we use to describe a division as weak, strong, good quality, mediocre, poor quality, etc, are all subjective. It's just opinions at the end of the day.
So, what are your views on what we've seen so far of League One? Would you regard the football being played by most of the teams at this level as being of a decent standard? Leaving City's form and style of play out of the equation, has anything about League One surprised you or is the quality of the division pretty much as you expected?
We were a poor Championship side for 4/5 years which may well give the impression the division was stronger than it was, and similarly the converse applies this season, but were this team to have played 9 games in the Championship this season I doubt we would have picked up many points. The overall strength and physicality is greater in the Championship and then more so still in the PL. Watching some of the Newcastle v Arsenal game I was struck just how physical it was compared to the Championship.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I wasn’t talking exclusively about games involving City. And also, on the few occasions sides have been better than City, they haven’t looked very good either. Bradford looked pretty decent, but other than them the standard has appeared pretty grim to me.
What other games in League One are you watching regularly to judge the standard?
I thought you said in an earlier reply you don't watch it?
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
This is the best year for us to be here. There's no Sunderland, Ipswich, Birmingham, Derby, Leicester etc, not even a Wrexham. There's no standout sides (other than ourselves).
We should absolutely walk this division and it will be embarrassing if we don't.
We are the Sunderland, Birmingham, and Ipswich.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
On the other hand we're not the Luton who got some plaudits while in the Premier a season and a bit ago (do they still get parachute money this year?) or the Plymouth who finished last season like a steam train. We are the team who were shit last season and didn't spend any money on transfers at the beginning of this. I think we have got the biggest ground though.
Re: FT: WIGAN ATHLETIC 0 - 2 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
PaulWent76
On the other hand we're not the Luton who got some plaudits while in the Premier a season and a bit ago (do they still get parachute money this year?) or the Plymouth who finished last season like a steam train. We are the team who were shit last season and didn't spend any money on transfers at the beginning of this. I think we have got the biggest ground though.
I think Luton have been given about 47 million this season
