An increase to two exercise sessions allowed a day from Monday;-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52584690
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An increase to two exercise sessions allowed a day from Monday;-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52584690
So a paper that continually knocks the government (often quite righlty) takes a set of numbers from that same govenment and prints them in a national daily without someone doing the simple sum of adding them up or taking them away?
Aboslutely stunning journalism!!!!!
I wonder how many people in Wales have restricted themselves to one outdoors exercise session per day because of the guidelines but will now increase to two? I can’t imagine it’ll be many. I reckon pretty much everyone who has wanted to exercise outside twice a day has already been doing just that.
What? You are blaming the Guardian for reprinting the UK government's official statistics from Public Health Englands dashboard. The About Data part of the GOV.UK website explains the discrepancy
COVID-19 cases are identified by taking specimens from people and sending these specimens to laboratories around the UK to be tested. If the test is positive, this is a referred to as a lab-confirmed case.
There are separate reporting processes for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Each Nation provides data based on tests carried out in NHS (and PHE) laboratories. These represent 'pillar 1' of the Government's mass testing programme. The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) combines the counts from the 4 Nations, and adds data from tests carried out by commercial partners ('pillar 2' of the mass-testing programme) to give daily and total (cumulative) counts of lab-confirmed cases. These are submitted to Public Health England (PHE) to display on the dashboard. The 4 figures are not all taken from the same cut-off time: England and Scotland counts are as at 9am on the day of publication; Wales counts are as at 7am on the day of publication; Northern Ireland counts are from different times on the morning of publication.
The headline UK case count is published by DHSC each day via Twitter and on the DHSC website.
The UK total is not the sum of the 4 National totals as the pillar 2 cases cannot currently be included in the National totals. All other data on this website are based only on cases detected through pillar 1. Information about the different pillars is available on GOV.UK.
But by printing the clearly ambiguous figures together without any clarification obviously leads one to question their validity.
Your apparent indignation that I should questtion the Government's offical statistics is very amusing given what we read on here every day.
Think you are confusing indignation for wry amusement that your aim to undermine the content of an article was justified by rubbishing a set of embedded figures in the article extracted from official sources where they are displayed in a similar manner. Still you nailed it so don't let me stand in the way of your glory!
I'm not try to undermine the article at all. I had previously commented on a previous article in which they also used those stats without the explanation you just offered. It's just shoddy journalism. All I'm saying is that people read the acrticle they do not og on the web and fact check everything in it, they tend to basically accept what is said, but then if they look at the numbers and see the dscrepancy it puts them in mind to question the rest of the article.
And to blythly accept governemnt figures because the are reported in a newspaper when so many on this board would automatically question anything the government says is frankly more than amusing.
It could lead a person to think that the information is good or bad depending on who reports it, God forefend.
That's all, no glory or desire for it.
My "exercise" since about mid March has consisted of me taking the dog for a walk very early in the morning. I've flouted the rules a little when it comes to car travel by going on a small number of journeys which were not what could be called essential, but I've not gone out with the dog more than once a day since the lockdown began - I'll be taking her out in the afternoon as well from Monday.
But really if you were in your car then you weren't exactly breaking the social conact dictat were you? I think that is why cars on the road have increased, because people see that they can do something without the contact.
and you need to run the car occasionally.
I drove to Roath Park yesterday and fed the birds. It was about a 2 miles trip. Not truly essensial but it was part of my exercise, good for my (and more importantly for me my wife's) mental well being and hopefully good for the birds too. Also saw a few mother gooses with their babies. Beautiful, still tiny and in their undergrowth green camolfage down and the geese are so used to humans they let you get much closer than you would otherwise.
How much easing of the lockdown can you/should you be doing if you're basically saying that, if nothing gets worse, the recorded death rate will go from 1,090 to 1,890 in three months?Quote:
Mark Drakeford said the "R number" - the number of other people infected by one person - currently sits at around 0.8 in Wales.
Welsh Government estimates suggest that, at that level, 800 people may die with coronavirus between now and 7 August.
Recorded numbers of virus seem to be hitting north much harder today than in previous daily totals: https://twitter.com/LloydCymru/statu...169410/photo/2
Yesterday, only the Rhondda Cynon Taf area was the only one to record new cases above 10 (with Flintshire and Wrexham both showing 5 new cases) but today Fiintshire shows increase of 20, Wrexham 33, Gwynedd 14 and Ynys Mon an extra 10.
I don't understand why you would travel away from your home to a spot which is always going to be busy? Of course, I don't need to, but do think going on a drive and driving to walk in a relatively busy beauty spot are slightly separate points. Whatever, it's a personal decision and your wife's mental well being is far more important than justifying it to some stranger on the internet.
As I say it is only 2 milles if that,and the park is specially lovely, plus you get to be in close contact weith the birds and there is nowhere else you can do that locally. i usually combine it wth going to the supermarket (only been to roath twice) to assuage my concience but it is a great relax from the bad to day boredom.
It's actually not too busy mid afternoon and there is a socail distancing protocal in place which people for the most part do adhere to.
When you put it like that, it's not that great is it. You're much more clued up on the Welsh situation than me, so put me right if I'm in error here, but I'd assume the overwhelming majority of the 1,090 deaths so far would have come in something like a six week period. By comparison, we're looking at a figure of about three quarters that over twelve weeks and I would think that it could be that around half of the 800 hundred would come in the next four weeks, so it should be that we're looking at single figures per day come July.
Odd that about North Wales, must be down to some delayed figures in that area I suppose which means they are really more than just a single day's worth?
Just been watchging the news. God Mark drakeford is dreadful on TV. He has no personality and no apparent statemanship. Instill confidence he certainly does not............... but hey, Yipee..... the library is open again. :hehe:
Exactly, just Drakeford. He could announce he is giving every person in Wales £1 million and make it sound like a dirge.
What does it matter what Boris says won't affect my life, unless he say the pubs can open in England. What will they do then, close the boarder? lmao
Visions of blue tit arranging a coach trip.
The video features someone who purports to be a nurse who works in a New York hospital. She's either what she says she is or is a great crisis actor. She states COVID patients are being deliberately neglected, then at the 14:50 mark says some have been murdered.
She uses the F word liberally throughout. Viewer discretion is advised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYQh...ature=youtu.be
I must admit that there were probably most people who thought your ever changing theories on the virus were a bit out there. Still I underestimated your perseverance. Slowly you seem to have whittled down the doubters. The You Tube Video of an Italian MP discussing virology whose credentials seemed to be an art historian, television personality and grasshopper between 7 different political parties was a masterstroke and must have picked off the waverers to your left field views.
Now the coup de gras. Hit them with an is she/ isn't she nurse expose. That should finish off anyone doubting the true path.
The only question I have is if you turn all these idiots to the truth and you are not a special thinker anymore how does that feel?
I'm just trying to understand the wider point you make. If it helps. I'll start the sentence. There was this nurse from Nevada that posted an emotional You Tube video about her experience working in New York hospitals. It looks really dubious at best and fake at worst so this means the coronavirus problem is (this is the bit that you add)!
I didn't make any wider point. Lay off the sherry.
There must be scores, if not hundreds, of people who know her identity and whether she is a nurse, actress or something else. Should she be a nurse then I suspect she won't be for much longer.
I am sure the individual will be dealt with appropriately. I just had this inkling that as you posted it and took the trouble to note that "She states COVID patients are being deliberately neglected, then at the 14:50 mark says some have been murdered." That you had some wider point to make rather than out of the hundreds of thousands of videos posted daily on you tube that hook gullible people that this one stood out for you.
Ah, my alleged (but non-existent) wider point has been downgraded to your inkling. How convenient.
I'm surprised that video has remained on youtube for four days because those that only the gullible could possibly believe has merit are removed pretty sharpish.
Morg, I think this is all taking a toll on you. My non existent point has been downgraded to an inkling? How does that look in a sentence? You must have had a point in focusing in on one video from the tonnes of shit that are posted daily on You Tube to further your narrative. You seem really cowardly in saying what that narrative is. It's not like you, more the MO of your less intelligent nephews.
Never before have healthy people been quarantined. Try an online dictionary if you're unaware of the definition of the word never is. Those people who feel they are at risk of contracting COVID-19, let them isolate themselves for as long as they please. For everyone else, allow them to choose to venture out and associate with whomever they wish. All previous pandemics were dealt with that way.
Same applies during the UK seasonal flu season (December through March) which kills thousands of Britons prematurely each year.
A question for you. What would be your criteria for returning to what life was? How about deaths associated with COVID-19 falling to nil for perhaps a period of three months? What's your acceptable number of COVID-19 related deaths?
Those at risk of contracting Covid 19.
Thats everyone isnt it.????