Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
CardiffIrish2
This will bells on.
Jeremy Corbyn isn't the victim of some Zionist conspiracy to keep him from power. He's popular within a very very small faction of the electorate and has established himself as a cult figure.
Two days after BREXIT he was supposed to be at Glatonbury where he no doubt wanted to seek adulation amongst what may be his fanbase.
I've no doubt he's principled, he was right to vote against Iraq war and I dare say he may be a good MP for the people of Islington.
However a leader he is not, he's completely inept at offering any serious Opposition and I'm as far from being a subscriber to the right wing press or some Zionist conspirator as you can get.
I've listened to that argument, then I see the forces ranged against him since the day he was elected leader and the two things simply do not add up or make any sense. Why bother constantly attacking someone who politically poses no serious threat to you?
This is just a small selection of anti-Corbyn articles.
"Comparisons to the Nazis" Really?
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/...ership-attack/
"Our Corbyn strategy"
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-deb...rategy-working
"Labour's Jewish movement"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...or-owen-smith/
"How the Israeli lobby manufactured UK Labour party's anti-Semitism crisis."
https://electronicintifada.net/conte...m-crisis/16481
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Splott David
I've been a Labour voter for nearly all of my life and want to see an electable opposition. I lived through eighteen years of continuous Conservative Government and don't want to see it happen again. I loathed Thatcher, but have to admit that for around a decade after she became PM she, and her party, seemed unbeatable.
I don't get that feeling about this Conservative Government. I don't believe the country has ever really taken to the Tories this time around and it's as if they are seen as the best of a bad bunch. This should be a time for a party of the left to put in a meaningful challenge against a Government with a small overall majority, but it's not going to happen and, when it doesn't, it' won't be because of some Jewish or establishment plot.
No, it will happen because Labour is tearing itself apart (again!) instead of concentrating on what those who instinctively support them in the whole country (not just the unrepresentative minority who have attached themselves to the party - again!) want to see. That is a party which stands up to a Government which the country tolerates, but doesn't like.
To do that, you need a unity of purpose and someone in charge who is temperamentally suited to lead. It's been revealed over the past year that Jeremy Corbyn is not such a person, he's someone more suited to working in pressure groups which target a specific policy or issue and if we are lumbered with a few more years of him as leader, that's exactly what he will turn his party into.
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"temperamentally suited to lead"
Name me one former Labour leader that has had to endure a non-stop concerted highly orchestrated campaign against him and stood up to it in the way that Corbyn has? I would have thought the pressure, had it been applied to Brown or Miliband, would have seen them fall apart completely.
Support is not like choosing from a restaurant menu. You have to accept the fundamental process that is employed to choose a Labour leader and the membership have made it quite clear who they regard as the best leader for the future of the Labour party. All political party's go through change and Labour's was well overdue as it still carries the residue of Blairism within it's ranks and that needs to be expunged once and for all.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Splott David
"temperamentally suited to lead"
Name me one former Labour leader that has had to endure a non-stop concerted highly orchestrated campaign against him and stood up to it in the way that Corbyn has? I would have thought the pressure, had it been applied to Brown or Miliband, would have seen them fall apart completely.
Support is not like choosing from a restaurant menu. You have to accept the fundamental process that is employed to choose a Labour leader and the membership have made it quite clear who they regard as the best leader for the future of the Labour party. All political party's go through change and Labour's was well overdue as it still carries the residue of Blairism within it's ranks and that needs to be expunged once and for all.
Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, there's two for starters.
Labour party membership is currently around the 515,000 mark - let's say 400,000 of them support Corbyn (a generous estimate I would have thought).
http://labourlist.org/2016/07/post-r...llion-members/
Last year there were 44,722,000 people in the UK eligible to vote in parliamentary elections.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...alregistration
So, 0.89% of the eligible electorate have shown their support for Jeremy Corbyn to the extent that they have become members of his party and will have a vote in the upcoming leadership election. Labour will need to win something like forty times (probably more actually) that amount of votes to stand a chance of winning the next election and yet the party (especially the Corbyn wing of it) carry on in blissful ignorance because they have the backing of that 0.89% of the electorate.
Meanwhile, in the real world, there are millions whose votes could see Labour reaching that 35 to 40 per cent of the popular vote they need to stand a chance of winning in 2020, who look at the party they instinctively feel closest to and think what the f*ck are they doing?
I'm no supporter of the Blairite portion of the party, but what annoys me most about Labour currently is that a man who is so obviously not up to the job of leading the second biggest party in the UK currently is making sure that we're going to have a Conservative Government for the foreseeable future, but, who cares? As long as the 0.89% can reassure themselves with smug tales about how they've not sold out like everyone else has, everything is tickety-boo isn't it.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, there's two for starters.
Labour party membership is currently around the 515,000 mark - let's say 400,000 of them support Corbyn (a generous estimate I would have thought).
http://labourlist.org/2016/07/post-r...llion-members/
Foot I'm not so sure about and Kinnock used his parliamentary career to feather his own nest with an estimated £10 million for him and his wife. He also set the wheels in motion for Blair to abandon traditional Labour values and principles, in order to take the so-called 'center ground' of politics. In other words Labour became New Labour which was basically Tory lite.
Last year there were 44,722,000 people in the UK eligible to vote in parliamentary elections.
I was trained in analysis and I don't understand any form of analysis which includes numbers that were not involved. In business there's no such thing as, profit you haven't had. The same applies in political analysis. Trying to measure people who did not vote at all and then using that number to make a point against actual voting numbers is absurd. You could do that same measurement using all who did vote, as that is logical and far more accurate e.g.
Conservatives 11,334,576 36.9%
63.1% of those that voted, did not vote for the Conservatives in the last election.
Labour members signalled a time of change when they voted Corbyn in as leader, 85% of the CLP's back Corbyn as leader, the polls show he will return as leader with an increased majority and a higher percentage of the vote. I for one am sick to death with seeing careerists parachuted into Labour seats by a process governed by Labour HQ instead of local selection. Each candidate that applies has to be approved and mentored to by Labour HQ and that has resulted in some appalling choices of people to become MP's.
Blairism has to be eradicated once and for all. The Blairites have to go, along with all those who built their careers on that bandwagon.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
By contrast, Labour is a total shambles as they see " the real enemy" as being another faction within the same party.
That is exactly what is going on, it is Corbyn versus the Fabians/Blairites, with the latter being backed by the establishment, MSM and big business who want to keep a tight control of the two-party parliamentary system. What you are seeing, experiencing and feeling is the full force of the Tavistock Institute, and by the looks of things they seem to be doing a splendid job.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
That is exactly what is going on, it is Corbyn versus the Fabians/Blairites, with the latter being backed by the establishment, MSM and big business who want to keep a tight control of the two-party parliamentary system. What you are seeing, experiencing and feeling is the full force of the Tavistock Institute, and by the looks of things they seem to be doing a splendid job.
It never ceases to amaze why people are not asking where all of the secretive funding for Progress is actually coming from.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Splott David
Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, there's two for starters.
Labour party membership is currently around the 515,000 mark - let's say 400,000 of them support Corbyn (a generous estimate I would have thought).
http://labourlist.org/2016/07/post-r...llion-members/
Foot I'm not so sure about and Kinnock used his parliamentary career to feather his own nest with an estimated £10 million for him and his wife. He also set the wheels in motion for Blair to abandon traditional Labour values and principles, in order to take the so-called 'center ground' of politics. In other words Labour became New Labour which was basically Tory lite.
Last year there were 44,722,000 people in the UK eligible to vote in parliamentary elections.
I was trained in analysis and I don't understand any form of analysis which includes numbers that were not involved. In business there's no such thing as, profit you haven't had. The same applies in political analysis. Trying to measure people who did not vote at all and then using that number to make a point against actual voting numbers is absurd. You could do that same measurement using all who did vote, as that is logical and far more accurate e.g.
Conservatives 11,334,576 36.9%
63.1% of those that voted, did not vote for the Conservatives in the last election.
Labour members signalled a time of change when they voted Corbyn in as leader, 85% of the CLP's back Corbyn as leader, the polls show he will return as leader with an increased majority and a higher percentage of the vote. I for one am sick to death with seeing careerists parachuted into Labour seats by a process governed by Labour HQ instead of local selection. Each candidate that applies has to be approved and mentored to by Labour HQ and that has resulted in some appalling choices of people to become MP's.
Blairism has to be eradicated once and for all. The Blairites have to go, along with all those who built their careers on that bandwagon.
Be careful what you wish for then when the Conservatives no doubt win the next election by a 100 seat majority.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
CardiffIrish2
Be careful what you wish for then when the Conservatives no doubt win the next election by a 100 seat majority.
The Conservatives with a 100 seat majority would be infinitely better than a Tony Blair type figure :biggrin:
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Splott David
Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, there's two for starters.
Labour party membership is currently around the 515,000 mark - let's say 400,000 of them support Corbyn (a generous estimate I would have thought).
http://labourlist.org/2016/07/post-r...llion-members/
Foot I'm not so sure about and Kinnock used his parliamentary career to feather his own nest with an estimated £10 million for him and his wife. He also set the wheels in motion for Blair to abandon traditional Labour values and principles, in order to take the so-called 'center ground' of politics. In other words Labour became New Labour which was basically Tory lite.
Last year there were 44,722,000 people in the UK eligible to vote in parliamentary elections.
I was trained in analysis and I don't understand any form of analysis which includes numbers that were not involved. In business there's no such thing as, profit you haven't had. The same applies in political analysis. Trying to measure people who did not vote at all and then using that number to make a point against actual voting numbers is absurd. You could do that same measurement using all who did vote, as that is logical and far more accurate e.g.
Conservatives 11,334,576 36.9%
63.1% of those that voted, did not vote for the Conservatives in the last election.
Labour members signalled a time of change when they voted Corbyn in as leader, 85% of the CLP's back Corbyn as leader, the polls show he will return as leader with an increased majority and a higher percentage of the vote. I for one am sick to death with seeing careerists parachuted into Labour seats by a process governed by Labour HQ instead of local selection. Each candidate that applies has to be approved and mentored to by Labour HQ and that has resulted in some appalling choices of people to become MP's.
Blairism has to be eradicated once and for all. The Blairites have to go, along with all those who built their careers on that bandwagon.
Right. so what you're basically saying is that as long as the 0.89% are happy, nothing else matters - you're the one talking absurdities.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Right. so what you're basically saying is that as long as the 0.89% are happy, nothing else matters - you're the one talking absurdities.
You're measurement is out Bob. You're conflating apples with oranges again. You can measure the percentage of Labour members that vote for Jeremy Corbyn, against those that don't and express that as a percentage if you like. You can't measure a percentage of Labour members who vote for him, versus an unknown number of people who are not even Labour members.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Splott David
You're measurement is out Bob. You're conflating apples with oranges again. You can measure the percentage of Labour members that vote for Jeremy Corbyn, against those that don't and express that as a percentage if you like. You can't measure a percentage of Labour members who vote for him, versus an unknown number of people who are not even Labour members.
I can do what I like thanks to try and show that as leader of the opposition, and therefore someone who should be seen as a serious contender to be Prime Minister one day, Corbyn, and his backers in the party, are too keen on over emphasising the importance of the tiny minority of the electorate within his party who back him. At the same time, little or nothing is done to win over those within the rest
of the electorate.who could be persuaded to vote Labour - there is nothing wrong with trying to eradicate Blairism as far as I'm concerned, but you've got to offer much more in it's place than Corbyn is currently.
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[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;4669483]I can do what I like thanks to try and show that as leader of the opposition, and therefore someone who should be seen as a serious contender to be Prime Minister one day, Corbyn, and his backers in the party, are too keen on over emphasising the importance of the tiny minority of the electorate within his party who back him. At the same time, little or nothing is done to win over those within the rest
of the electorate.who could be persuaded to vote Labour - there is nothing wrong with trying to eradicate Blairism as far as I'm concerned, but you've got to offer much more in it's place than Corbyn is currently.[/QUOTE
It's turned into a cult movement. The irritating 'keep Corbyn ' or show your support for Jeremy roadshows goes on like he's a contestant for the X factor and meanwhile the Tories get away with murder.
He'll be elected no doubt and he can enjoy 4 years of being on the luxury of a party leader salary without doing anything more then making Labour unelectable.
But hey as long as the Canary and socialist worker like him then all's good with the world.
I read what JK Rowling said in Twitter the other day. She was correct as well.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I can do what I like thanks to try and show that as leader of the opposition, and therefore someone who should be seen as a serious contender to be Prime Minister one day, Corbyn, and his backers in the party, are too keen on over emphasising the importance of the tiny minority of the electorate within his party who back him. At the same time, little or nothing is done to win over those within the rest
of the electorate.who could be persuaded to vote Labour - there is nothing wrong with trying to eradicate Blairism as far as I'm concerned, but you've got to offer much more in it's place than Corbyn is currently.
You're still missing the point Bob. There are only two contenders to be Labour leader, it's either Smith or Corbyn. That decision will be made by Labour members and Labour members only. Currently the CLP's are 85% in favour of Corbyn, independent polls also have him way out in front of Smith.
At this stage it matters not a jot what the wider electorate think at present as unless they are Labour members, they don't have a say in the process. Right now all other comparisons are merely academic. Labour members have a straight choice between someone who would continue with privatisation of the NHS and has agreed that if it came to it he would be prepared to push a nuclear button and someone else who is diametrically opposed to that.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
CardiffIrish2
This will bells on.
Jeremy Corbyn isn't the victim of some Zionist conspiracy to keep him from power. He's popular within a very very small faction of the electorate and has established himself as a cult figure.
Two days after BREXIT he was supposed to be at Glatonbury where he no doubt wanted to seek adulation amongst what may be his fanbase.
I've no doubt he's principled, he was right to vote against Iraq war and I dare say he may be a good MP for the people of Islington.
However a leader he is not, he's completely inept at offering any serious Opposition and I'm as far from being a subscriber to the right wing press or some Zionist conspirator as you can get.
Such an irrelevance that BBC 2's Newsnight has to use dark propaganda against him following JK Rowling's attack on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH2eUwEk_1s
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Crap attempt at humour.
As I say I've made my own mind up over JC without being influenced by bollocks like that.
He's obviously going to win, and nobody will be more delighted then Theresa May.
1983 election style hammering for Labour.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
CardiffIrish2
Crap attempt at humour.
As I say I've made my own mind up over JC without being influenced by bollocks like that.
He's obviously going to win, and nobody will be more delighted then Theresa May.
1983 election style hammering for Labour.
Merkel was going to blitz it too .. never underestimate the electorate http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37271971
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I can do what I like thanks to try and show that as leader of the opposition, and therefore someone who should be seen as a serious contender to be Prime Minister one day, Corbyn, and his backers in the party, are too keen on over emphasising the importance of the tiny minority of the electorate within his party who back him. At the same time, little or nothing is done to win over those within the rest
of the electorate.who could be persuaded to vote Labour - there is nothing wrong with trying to eradicate Blairism as far as I'm concerned, but you've got to offer much more in it's place than Corbyn is currently.
I think it is pretty clear that the electorate don't want Corbyn, but like you they don't really know why.
Trump is obviously a complete loon and if elected will probably lose interest within a few months but in fairness to Americans they are judging him based on what he is saying and not how he looks/sounds.
We are conditioned to want some plastic smooth talker as PM. The notion that power is more important than principles is something the public should be very afraid of but it is parroted by nearly every anti-Corbyn MP. That is not democracy, it is a sham.
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I think it is pretty clear that the electorate don't want Corbyn, but like you they don't really know why.
Trump is obviously a complete loon and if elected will probably lose interest within a few months but in fairness to Americans they are judging him based on what he is saying and not how he looks/sounds.
We are conditioned to want some plastic smooth talker as PM. The notion that power is more important than principles is something the public should be very afraid of but it is parroted by nearly every anti-Corbyn MP. That is not democracy, it is a sham.
The world could be a different place come the next general election, it will be interesting to see what happens in the US, France, Germany, Nederlands, Norway and Italy when they have theirs.
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Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Corbyn makes her proud to be British??
Strike a light!!
Does she know anything of his record before August last year???
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Splott David
It never ceases to amaze why people are not asking where all of the secretive funding for Progress is actually coming from.
Go on then - tell us
Re: Your not trusted Jeremy
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Go on then - tell us
I'm guessing it's Jews.
