The bookies have us finishing 20th ?

Some of my favourite phrases of the last twenty years

If Barnsley hadn’t beaten all those Premier League teams we would never have got to the Cup final
If Jones had played Rambo we would have won the Cup
If the Championship wasn’t so weak we would’ve never won the League and got promoted
If we’d played Warnock’s way in the first half of the season we’d never have got promoted to the Prem for a second time
If we didn’t have Tan as owner the bookies wouldn’t have us a possible relegation candidates and several/some/many supporters would be a lot happier
Let’s hope the bookies have missed some vital evidence again this season.

I think you've dreamed most of those up yourself.

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�� you may well be right although I’m not normally known for such creativity.

Hope you have a good Saturday watching (or not) the match.

We're the dark horse this season.

Playoff challengers!

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Originally Posted by PaulWent76

Hope you have a good Saturday watching (or not) the match.

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I'll be there. I'm just hoping for a significant improvement in terms of the playing style and tactics. Last season was tedious beyond belief. Some of the new signings have been encouraging in that respect, so I'm hoping the manager abandons his boring defensive nonsense, changes the formation and tries to take opponents on from the first whistle as opposed to in the last ten minutes.

Loads of imponderables with the current squad. Should be interesting, or at least more interesting than last season.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'll be there. I'm just hoping for a significant improvement in terms of the playing style and tactics. Last season was tedious beyond belief. Some of the new signings have been encouraging in that respect, so I'm hoping the manager abandons his boring defensive nonsense, changes the formation and tries to take opponents on from the first whistle as opposed to in the last ten minutes.

Loads of imponderables with the current squad. Should be interesting, or at least more interesting than last season.

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Based on last week at Bristol we will play out from the back a lot. I hope though that we get the ball through midfield to attack quicker, and with better effect than last year.

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Originally Posted by Michael Morris

Based on last week at Bristol we will play out from the back a lot. I hope though that we get the ball through midfield to attack quicker, and with better effect than last year.

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Playing out from the back is fine by me but, like you say, we have to get the ball into advanced positions a whole lot quicker and more effectively, and the passing needs to be crisper too. I couldn't stand another season of a bunch of defenders and defensive midfielders passing the ball about slowly among themselves before eventually punting it up field to nobody in particular.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Playing out from the back is fine by me but, like you say, we have to get the ball into advanced positions a whole lot quicker and more effectively, and the passing needs to be crisper too. I couldn't stand another season of a bunch of defenders and defensive midfielders passing the ball about slowly among themselves before eventually punting it up field to nobody in particular.

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Hopefully we've improved the players and they will be more capable of the movement required and have the ability to move the ball quicker, but also if the numbers are right take a few long kicks and mix it up. Have you heard Bellamy talking about this, very interesting.

Sunderland are 6/4 favourites on Saturday….anyone lumping on us at 2/1 ?

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Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue

Sunderland are 6/4 favourites on Saturday….anyone lumping on us at 2/1 ?

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I will have a bit of that .

Spent last night trying to get my sky bet account re opened to take the 15/2 and 2/1 offered on us for top half and top 6 finish .
The eternal optimist perhaps , I tend to win more bets than I lose though.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I will have a bit of that .

Spent last night trying to get my sky bet account re opened to take the 15/2 and 2/1 offered on us for top half and top 6 finish .
The eternal optimist perhaps , I tend to win more bets than I lose though.

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Skybet really don't rate us.

Updated - promotion 25-1

Top 6 - 9-1

Top half 9-4.

Still 80s to win it and 3s for relegation with only Plymouth and Oxford also joining us in the relegation places.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Skybet really don't rate us.

Updated - promotion 25-1

Top 6 - 9-1

Top half 9-4.

Still 80s to win it and 3s for relegation with only Plymouth and Oxford also joining us in the relegation places.

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Grab the last two while you still can!!!

I would if I gambled, top half easy!

Nobody I’ve read or seen so far is rating us. The Guardian season preview has us as a relegation candidates along with Oxford and Portsmouth.

The not the top 20 podcast has us finishing 18th and said Bulut’s team always have a very poor 2nd season under his management and I’ve seen another site saying our signings ( before Robertson so referring to Willock Chambers and El Ghazi ) are players on a downward trajectory on their careers and that we have a lot of players who cannot be relied upon to stay fit for a season

So not much enthusiasm for our chances out there but I’m hoping there is a lot of underestimating going on

Please let the football be better than the turgid play we had to put up with for most of last season , we’ve got to move the ball quicker this season

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Nobody I’ve read or seen so far is rating us. The Guardian season preview has us as a relegation candidates along with Oxford and Portsmouth.

The not the top 20 podcast has us finishing 18th and said Bulut’s team always have a very poor 2nd season under his management and I’ve seen another site saying our signings ( before Robertson so referring to Willock Chambers and El Ghazi ) are players on a downward trajectory on their careers and that we have a lot of players who cannot be relied upon to stay fit for a season

So not much enthusiasm for our chances out there but I’m hoping there is a lot of underestimating going on

Please let the football be better than the turgid play we had to put up with for most of last season , we’ve got to move the ball quicker this season

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I have had a couple of bets with sky bet . They must know something I dont . Other than Oxford and Portsmouth they think we are worse than Shef Wednesday , qpr , millwall , in fact worse than everyone else in the league.
80-1 to win the league (unlikely ) 13-1 each way top 4
9-1 top 6 (possible)
9/4 top half (good bet)
Unless they something I dont , those odds are crazy , after spending hours getting my account reopened, they are nosy ****ers I have had interest in top two and a few quid on top half .
The odds they are offering would be what i would expect to see after 10 games and we had 3 points....

For what its worth I reckon Burnley will struggle without Kompany and Bellamy
Luton have had their day in the sun , will also struggle.
Leeds at 5/2 for the league look a fair bet .

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I have had a couple of bets with sky bet . They must know something I dont . Other than Oxford and Portsmouth they think we are worse than Shef Wednesday , qpr , millwall , in fact worse than everyone else in the league.
80-1 to win the league (unlikely ) 13-1 each way top 4
9-1 top 6 (possible)
9/4 top half (good bet)
Unless they something I dont , those odds are crazy , after spending hours getting my account reopened, they are nosy ****ers I have had interest in top two and a few quid on top half .
The odds they are offering would be what i would expect to see after 10 games and we had 3 points....

For what its worth I reckon Burnley will struggle without Kompany and Bellamy
Luton have had their day in the sun , will also struggle.
Leeds at 5/2 for the league look a fair bet .

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Good luck, top half surely, take their money :thumbup:

3/1 with SkyBet to finish above Bristol City, Swansea and Plymouth.

Surprised you haven't got stuck into that, Jimmy.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

...after spending hours getting my account reopened, they are nosy ****ers I have had interest in top two and a few quid on top half.

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Surely you meant top six, JJ?

Top two is pushing it even for our most optimistic fans...

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Surely you meant top six, JJ?

Top two is pushing it even for our most optimistic fans...

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It was top two bets , win league and top 6 .


Win the league 80/1 each way 13/1 if in top 4 , yeah I know getting carried away . I think I did £10ew . :hehe:

In the handicap system on Sky bet they have Cardiff to win the league at 18/1 with + 31 handicap so that means if we get around 60 points again we’ll be in to the 90 point mark - that’s got to be worth a few pounds

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

In the handicap system on Sky bet they have Cardiff to win the league at 18/1 with + 31 handicap so that means if we get around 60 points again we’ll be in to the 90 point mark - that’s got to be worth a few pounds

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That seems an incredible bet.

Interesting perspectives as all city fans seem to think top half pretty much guaranteed and wont be far off top 6. Everyone seems confident bulut has made some brilliant signings.

However remember the enthusiasm after we beat norwich in morison first game of the new season? Best transfer window ever etc..... as it turned out only 2 teams had less points than us. :hehe:

Latest Cardiff City odds from SkyBet after the first four games of the league campaign:

200/1 to win the Championship

200/1 to be promoted automatically

80/1 to win the play-offs

50/1 to be promoted by any method

18/1 to finish in the top six

4/1 to finish in the top half

5/1 to finish above Bristol City, Plymouth and Swansea

13/8 to finish above Swansea

9/4 to be relegated to League One

Top 6 is worth a tenner

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Top 6 is worth a tenner

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Your bookie must love you.

50/1 to be promoted by any means. Not saying this is fair value but say there is a circumstance where Manchester City are relegated for their 115 infringes of PPF. Would that open another promotion spot with three going up automatically with top 7 being good enough for a playoff place?

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50/1 to be promoted by any means. Not saying this is fair value but say there is a circumstance where Manchester City are relegated for their 115 infringes of PPF. Would that open another promotion spot with three going up automatically with top 7 being good enough for a playoff place?

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In a word, no.