Drones

There’s nothing conspiratorial about UFOs per se, although there are of course many conspiracies related to UFOs such as whether craft have been captured and backward-engineered.

That said, the US government have effectively admitted UFOs are a thing, without offering an explanation. And in previous hearings, witnesses have sworn under oath that UFO crash retrievals have taken place and alien bodies recovered.

Watch: Missile strikes suspected UFO in newly released video

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cj07rg34l62o

There are a group of people who think everything they believe is the correct version of events, even though they are often proved wrong over time. They lack self-appraisal skills, and usually just move onto the next "thing". Personally, I would blame the media and the education system for brainwashing them :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

There are a group of people who think everything they believe is the correct version of events, even though they are often proved wrong over time. They lack self-appraisal skills, and usually just move onto the next "thing". Personally, I would blame the media and the education system for brainwashing them :biggrin:

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That little nugget perfectly describes right wingers. I admire your perspicacity.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

That little nugget perfectly describes right wingers. I admire your perspicacity.

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Do you always have to be so divisive? It really is like listening to the Rev Ian Paisley talk about Catholics with you sometimes!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Do you always have to be so divisive? It really is like listening to the Rev Ian Paisley talk about Catholics with you sometimes!

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And so says the spirit of Ayn Rand: on an eternal mission to hoodwink the susceptible

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

And so says the spirit of Ayn Rand: on an eternal mission to hoodwink the susceptible

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Her again! 😂

Another thread ruined by politics

Good shares mind, I've made a load on Joby and Archer in the past year :thumbup: Joby 149% Archer 150% over the last year, and there are others.

https://www.google.com/search?q=joby...hrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=arch...hrome&ie=UTF-8

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Originally Posted by stevo

Not in this case it seems. The “drone” sightings that have been reported and/or uploaded to social media/youtube, fall into a few categories:

Drones the size of SUVs that appear to be man-made but are too big for hobbyists.They are also capable of remaining in the air for 10 hours or more and travel large distances. They also seem capable of disabling any hobbyist drones that attempt to go anywhere near them.

Orbs. These don’t look man-made and appear to move with a purpose (as opposed to natural phenomena such as ball lightning). They often travel in grouped formation and also appear to teleport and spawn off smaller orbs. In a way, they also match the description of angels as written in the book of Ezekiel amongst others. My take on this is that these same (perhaps alien) orbs were seen and reported in biblical times and mistaken as angels.

The rest is just AI-generated crap.

I think Truthpaste and I both agree that something big is going to happen this year. Truthpaste will say it’s what has been prophesied in the Bible. I’m expecting full disclosure on aliens and UFOs.

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This might answer the "mystery".

https://nypost.com/2025/10/18/us-new...in-new-jersey/

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

This might answer the "mystery".

https://nypost.com/2025/10/18/us-new...in-new-jersey/

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Yeah, right!

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Originally Posted by stevo

Yeah, right!

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Sorry for offering what might appear to be a more logical explanation compared with you and Truthpaste agreeing that something big is going to happen this year, either prophesied in the Bible. or full disclosure on aliens and UFOs.

The article is a little more resemblant to your first hypothesis that they were drones the size of SUVs that appear to be man-made but are too big for hobbyists.They are also capable of remaining in the air for 10 hours or more and travel large distances, though!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Sorry for offering what might appear to be a more logical explanation compared with you and Truthpaste agreeing that something big is going to happen this year, either prophesied in the Bible. or full disclosure on aliens and UFOs.

The article is a little more resemblant to your first hypothesis that they were drones the size of SUVs that appear to be man-made but are too big for hobbyists.They are also capable of remaining in the air for 10 hours or more and travel large distances, though!

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No Truthpaste has never agreed on date setting of any kind; certainly the Bible provides incredible details on many events that are happening and are yet to happen including drones, forms of deception, nuclear fallout and the key nations to look for as history comes to a close. The thing to note is the Bible (to date) has a 100% track record on fulfilled future events, so if you want to know the things to be looking for, then becoming familar with the 25% of the Bible that speaks on these things is not a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

No Truthpaste has never agreed on date setting of any kind; certainly the Bible provides incredible details on many events that are happening and are yet to happen including drones, forms of deception, nuclear fallout and the key nations to look for as history comes to a close. The thing to note is the Bible (to date) has a 100% track record on fulfilled future events, so if you want to know the things to be looking for, then becoming familar with the 25% of the Bible that speaks on these things is not a bad idea.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

No Truthpaste has never agreed on date setting of any kind; certainly the Bible provides incredible details on many events that are happening and are yet to happen including drones, forms of deception, nuclear fallout and the key nations to look for as history comes to a close. The thing to note is the Bible (to date) has a 100% track record on fulfilled future events, so if you want to know the things to be looking for, then becoming familar with the 25% of the Bible that speaks on these things is not a bad idea.

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In fairness I was paraphrasing the words that Stevo used to suggest that you and he were in agreement that something big was going to happen this year as you traded theories on whether UFos or angels were the most likely explanation for the "mysterious" sightings. You didn't disagree at the time and something big could mean anything to anybody I guess.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

In fairness I was paraphrasing the words that Stevo used to suggest that you and he were in agreement that something big was going to happen this year as you traded theories on whether UFos or angels were the most likely explanation for the "mysterious" sightings. You didn't disagree at the time and something big could mean anything to anybody I guess.

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To be clear I am only in agreement that the genuine sightings are angelic in origin, and leading experts in both the USA & Europe (even from an agnostic perspective) also think that angels are the source of all physical and non-physical appearances in this arena.

[QUOTE=cyril evans awaydays;5619182..... you and he were in agreement that something big was going to happen this year.....[/QUOTE]

When something big does happen then we may not get the chance to discuss it here or anywhere on earth for that matter.
We will simply be living with the choices we made when we had the chance.

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To be clear I am only in agreement that the genuine sightings are angelic in origin, and leading experts in both the USA & Europe (even from an agnostic perspective) also think that angels are the source of all physical and non-physical appearances in this arena.

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Thanks for clarifying that in your opinion the sightings were angelic rather than what was reported. I guess my follow up question is whilst I sit and wait does an angel contemplate my fate?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Sorry for offering what might appear to be a more logical explanation compared with you and Truthpaste agreeing that something big is going to happen this year, either prophesied in the Bible. or full disclosure on aliens and UFOs.

The article is a little more resemblant to your first hypothesis that they were drones the size of SUVs that appear to be man-made but are too big for hobbyists. They are also capable of remaining in the air for 10 hours or more and travel large distances, though!

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I realise that it might come across as a more logical explanation to anyone who has not engaged in the subject, but to to anyone who has spent more than five minutes following the story, that claim is utterly laughable.

Although media reports in the US were widespread back in in December and January, the phenomena was nothing new. And it wasn't just restricted to New Jersey, although there was certainly a high concentration there. There were sightings all over the world including some of the UK's most secret military bases.

But over that two month period, there was a lot of panic, both from the public and the authorities. Emergency Services were inundated with calls. Local governors were constantly seeking answers on behalf of their constituents. Air force bases including Langley had to be shut down. At the time, the US Air Force made it abundantly clear that they did now know where these drones were coming from. In fact, at the time two senior Northcom generals confirmed they had no idea where these drones were originating from.

The problem has not gone away. I assume you're aware of all the recent airport closures throughout Europe - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Poland, etc.? Is this tech in the article company claiming responsibility for all that chaos too?

These drones (and I use that term loosely) take on two forms - orbs of light* and mechanical. They do not respond to anti-drone systems, the various military and intelligence services from around the world are not capable of figuring out where they come from and where they go. They are operating around the most sensitive military sights with impunity.

And now we have some unknown tech company claiming responsibility for it. As I said, yeah, right!


*orbs of light have been observed for millennia. They're nothing new. During the second world war, US pilots used to call them Foo Fighters. No doubt Truthpaste can cite Biblical references to them also.

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Originally Posted by stevo

I realise that it might come across as a more logical explanation to anyone who has not engaged in the subject, but to to anyone who has spent more than five minutes following the story, that claim is utterly laughable.

Although media reports in the US were widespread back in in December and January, the phenomena was nothing new. And it wasn't just restricted to New Jersey, although there was certainly a high concentration there. There were sightings all over the world including some of the UK's most secret military bases.

But over that two month period, there was a lot of panic, both from the public and the authorities. Emergency Services were inundated with calls. Local governors were constantly seeking answers on behalf of their constituents. Air force bases including Langley had to be shut down. At the time, the US Air Force made it abundantly clear that they did now know where these drones were coming from. In fact, at the time two senior Northcom generals confirmed they had no idea where these drones were originating from.

The problem has not gone away. I assume you're aware of all the recent airport closures throughout Europe - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Poland, etc.? Is this tech in the article company claiming responsibility for all that chaos too?

These drones (and I use that term loosely) take on two forms - orbs of light* and mechanical. They do not respond to anti-drone systems, the various military and intelligence services from around the world are not capable of figuring out where they come from and where they go. They are operating around the most sensitive military sights with impunity.

And now we have some unknown tech company claiming responsibility for it. As I said, yeah, right!


*orbs of light have been observed for millennia. They're nothing new. During the second world war, US pilots used to call them Foo Fighters. No doubt Truthpaste can cite Biblical references to them also.

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Apologies for the "laughable" article. Perhaps you can help me with the alternative.

As I understand it almost three thousand earth years ago aliens were building sophisticated labyrinths below the Pyramids. Yet in three Earth millenia of alien advancement we have moved from rudimentary carving tools to Stealth aircraft undetectible by the most sophisticated radar on the planet.

Yet, remarkably coincidentally with both the advent of drones and in Western Europe the proxy cyber threat from Russia to NATO, these aliens have not developed the technology to remain undetected whilst frivolously wandering around the Eastern Seabord and shutting down European airports for fun.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Why do you always make such silly remarks? If something isn't that convincing it doesn't mean that the person concerned has a closed mind.
Anyone with any intelligence should want to find the truth regarding anything rather than having a preconceived idea that one wishes to illogically hang onto. If so called 'evidence' isn't convincing then there's no need to make ad hominem remarks even if it is in humour.
That is truthpaste's way of perceiving things.

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Originally Posted by stevo

Hmmm. I think there have been two occasions when I have commented on the fact that you were quick to dismiss a paranormal event. But 'always...silly'?

In the case of Beatriz Villaroell's paper, you say the evidence isn't convincing. But if you only watched the first 15 minutes of the video then you wouldn't have heard all the evidence, so how can you form an opinion on whether it's convincing or not? That is characteristic of a closed mind.

I'll summarise:

* Over 300,000 photographic plates taken in the pre-Sputnik (1949 - 1957) era were analysed.

* Over 100,000 transients were identified

* There was a statistically significant correlation on the number of transients found on dates when nuclear testing was known to have taken place or dates where there were mass reports of UFO sightings (e.g. Washington DC 1952)

* The transients were typically observed outside of Earth's shadow indicating that the object's brightness was caused by the sun's reflection

* The magnitude of the brightness was too high for these objects to be natural i.e., a rocky surface.



Most folk on here when discussing anything paranormal say they will follow the science. In this case, a scientist has followed the scientific method and put forward a paper for peer review. However, it probably won't get peer reviewed - not because the evidence is uncompelling but because of the stigma attached to the subject. This is the exact opposite of what scientists should be doing, which is to follow the data.

But this is typical of modern science. Take Brian Cox for instance. Obviously a very clever chap. He says his hero is Galileo Galilei because spent the rest of his life under house arrest for daring to stand up to the Catholic Church and tell them they were wrong. Yet Cox scoffs at the idea of alien visitations and rules out the possibility by applying our current understanding of physics (such arrogance!). He will say it's not possible due to the vast distances involved and citing other theories such as the Fermi paradox. It sounds to me like his mind is fairly closed on the subject.

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In case you missed it, Beatrice Villarroel’s papers on this subject have since been peer reviewed and published in two respected journals including Scientific Reports (part of Nature’s portfolio).

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Why do you always make such silly remarks? If something isn't that convincing it doesn't mean that the person concerned has a closed mind.
Anyone with any intelligence should want to find the truth regarding anything rather than having a preconceived idea that one wishes to illogically hang onto. If so called 'evidence' isn't convincing then there's no need to make ad hominem remarks even if it is in humour.
That is truthpaste's way of perceiving things.

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Anyone with intelligence AND a spine could hold an adult conversations without being left shooting nothing but insults; as for wanting to discover the truth, any 'truth' will do for you, as long as it doesn't emanate from anywhere near your Creator.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Thanks for clarifying that in your opinion the sightings were angelic rather than what was reported. I guess my follow up question is whilst I sit and wait does an angel contemplate my fate?

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Angels, both fallen and unfallen have the fate of human individuals as their highest priority.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Anyone with intelligence AND a spine could hold an adult conversations without being left shooting nothing but insults; as for wanting to discover the truth, any 'truth' will do for you, as long as it doesn't emanate from anywhere near your Creator.

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You believe in a talking donkey, a talking snake, a virgin birth, Noah living to the age of 950, the universe being created in six days, Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt, your god parting the sea via air from his nostrils, talking trees, your god sending bears to kill 42 children, an angel killing 185,000 men, Jonah surviving in the belly of a great fish for three days and three nights, Jesus imploring followers to cut off body parts that cause them to sin and a lot else.
You would be better off convincing others on here that all you believe in is true rather than be detracted by me, a person who thinks it's all such ridiculous nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You believe in a talking donkey, a talking snake, a virgin birth, Noah living to the age of 950, the universe being created in six days, Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt, your god parting the sea via air from his nostrils, talking trees, your god sending bears to kill 42 children, an angel killing 185,000 men, Jonah surviving in the belly of a great fish for three days and three nights, Jesus imploring followers to cut off body parts that cause them to sin and a lot else.
You would be better off convincing others on here that all you believe in is true rather than be detracted by me, a person who thinks it's all such ridiculous nonsense.

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You've obviously read quite a lot of God's Book, yet I doubt you'd wish to look at any one of these cases individually, in case your own case fell apart. And you are right, I don't waste too much time with individuals who want reality to be just so and nothing more.

James Bartley (1891) - A whaling crew found 21-year-old James Bartley swallowed by a sperm whale during a hunt off the Falkland Islands. His crewmates later cut open the whale's stomach and found him alive, though in a "hellish" state with a bleached and blistered body. He survived for 36 hours inside the whale.


So when you face Almighty God, you won't be able to plead ignorance.

"Test all things...": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Shalom.