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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Optimistic Nick
The yellow lines look stupid and are pointless. Why bother putting yellow markings all over the pavement to tell me I can walk both ways along it?! I'm not angry about it, it just reminds me of busy work that people in my organisation are sometimes given. Deep down everyone knows that it is a massive waste of time and money, but we all know that councils around the country are doing this because if they don't they will be marching out of step.
Totally agree with the fact the ones saying you can walk both ways are pointless, I'd argue maybe there's some benefit to the other ones, assuming at least some people adhere to them therefore creating a bit more social distancing. Can't say they bother me or "ruin the city" though, they're just some more lines on the ground.
Glad you had a better time at lunch anyway, the key factor is of course the weather :thumbup:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Optimistic Nick
The biggest problem is that the city centre is a ghost town. What’s the point of all of this? There is nobody to serve. I live in England and come back here a few times a year. I went into town today and was quite shocked. Admittedly I do live near Covid-bashing bishops stortford, where as other posters have reported we live in a sort of bustling Eutopia of socially distanced coronavirus defiance. But even so... if it wasn’t for the bin men emptying the (presumably already empty) bins, I’d not have seen a single person on my walk from westgate st to the civic centre at 9.30am. It’s not quiet, it is dead.
And those yellow lines.... Jesus wept. I get that the council feels the need to do something, but all the same, someone must have realised what a colossal waste of time and effort that was. By lunchtime there were a few people about, none of them paying any attention to the yellow markings. I particularly like the ones where you can walk in either direction anyway. Could they at least have done it in a way that was more easily reversible?
I’ve heard quite a few people say that Wales was a bit more cautious than England but I hadn’t realised the extent of it, it was quite upsetting to see.
See, I told you so !
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Totally agree with the fact the ones saying you can walk both ways are pointless, I'd argue maybe there's some benefit to the other ones, assuming at least some people adhere to them therefore creating a bit more social distancing. Can't say they bother me or "ruin the city" though, they're just some more lines on the ground.
Glad you had a better time at lunch anyway, the key factor is of course the weather :thumbup:
Agree they don't "ruin the city", although I do think it is detremental and seems to have been put down with an unncessary degree of permanance. To be honest it would make no sense for anybody to use them when town was as quiet as it was yesterday. And the visual impact is so much greater when it is desloate. It didn't stand out anywhere near as much today, and I imagine that they may actually provide some very limited function on a busy Saturday afternoon. Yesterday it just looked like folly - planning for people who simply weren't there. I had assumed that was the new normal, but today proved me wrong. It makes a bit more sense today.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
Agree they don't "ruin the city", although I do think it is detremental and seems to have been put down with an unncessary degree of permanance. To be honest it would make no sense for anybody to use them when town was as quiet as it was yesterday. And the visual impact is so much greater when it is desloate. It didn't stand out anywhere near as much today, and I imagine that they may actually provide some very limited function on a busy Saturday afternoon. Yesterday it just looked like folly - planning for people who simply weren't there. I had assumed that was the new normal, but today proved me wrong. It makes a bit more sense today.
You should change it to Reasonable Nick mate, I think this the first time I've ever seen someone on the internet not only prepared to change their mind, but also to admit to it :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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delmbox
You should change it to Reasonable Nick mate, I think this the first time I've ever seen someone on the internet not only prepared to change their mind, but also to admit to it :hehe:
I did it once.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
You should change it to Reasonable Nick mate, I think this the first time I've ever seen someone on the internet not only prepared to change their mind, but also to admit to it :hehe:
Never really understand why people never admit to getting things wrong, especially on this board where "getting things wrong" is hardly a rare event.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
i go down western Avenue, through Canton.
It's not an issue at the moment for obvious reasons, but getting to the CCS from our neck of the woods is going to be a trial if they close Castle Street permanently. It's often difficult enough as it is. If the option of going through the city centre is removed, Western Avenue will be busy to say the least.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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The Lone Gunman
It's not an issue at the moment for obvious reasons, but getting to the CCS from our neck of the woods is going to be a trial if they close Castle Street permanently. It's often difficult enough as it is. If the option of going through the city centre is removed, Western Avenue will be busy to say the least.
You're probably right, i'll have to leave 20 minutes earlier :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
I've just come back from town, it was really busy.
It was the busiest this afternoon that I've seen it post-lockdown. I was genuinely surprised. Youngsters everywhere.
Questions for parents: is it now officially the summer holidays for the kids? If so, are they more likely to be out and about than they were a couple of weeks ago? Were they really staying indoors doing home schooling during what was supposed to be term time?
I went and had a look at the seating area. It's shit.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
You're probably right, i'll have to leave 20 minutes earlier :hehe:
It's always very busy on match days, especially midweek, but the Butchers minibus is OK as it uses the bus lanes.
They'll be ****ed now, although when it actually becomes an issue is anyone's guess.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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The Lone Gunman
I went and had a look at the seating area. It's shit.
:hehe: :hehe: I would love to have watched you go and have a look at the seating area...stomping over there, a roll of the eyes, maybe a muttered "load of f**king bollocks" before stomping away again
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
Anyone solved the buses problem yet? St Mary St was the obvious street to go 100% Continental, that’s where the majority of bars and food outlets are and would be managed by them, it would have meant minimal disruption and a lot cheaper no doubt. I’m wracking my brains to think of places in Castle & Duke Street that’ll provide table service, The Rummer? Revolution? The little Portuguese cafe? Or is it going to be an area for people to bring and eat their Greggs and Macdonalds delicacies? Are the tables allied to any establishments or are they free for anyone to sit there? If so, who is going to clean them in preparation for the next lot to sit down? From the photo I’ve seen it doesn’t look very inviting, I do hope the people that use the area treat it with respect and not have the ‘some other bugger can pick my litter up’ attitude.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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delmbox
:hehe: :hehe: I would love to have watched you go and have a look at the seating area...stomping over there, a roll of the eyes, maybe a muttered "load of f**king bollocks" before stomping away again
You weren't following me, were you?
The only bit you missed was the reference to cupid stunts or something like that.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Anyone solved the buses problem yet? St Mary St was the obvious street to go 100% Continental, that’s where the majority of bars and food outlets are and would be managed by them, it would have meant minimal disruption and a lot cheaper no doubt. I’m wracking my brains to think of places in Castle & Duke Street that’ll provide table service, The Rummer? Revolution? The little Portuguese cafe? Or is it going to be an area for people to bring and eat their Greggs and Macdonalds delicacies? Are the tables allied to any establishments or are they free for anyone to sit there? If so, who is going to CLEAN THEM in preparation for the next lot to sit down? From the photo I’ve seen it doesn’t look very inviting, I do hope the people that use the area treat it with respect and not have the ‘some other bugger can pick my litter up’ attitude.
The SEAGULLS Steve, the SEAGULLS, will leave them spotless :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Anyone solved the buses problem yet? St Mary St was the obvious street to go 100% Continental, that’s where the majority of bars and food outlets are and would be managed by them, it would have meant minimal disruption and a lot cheaper no doubt. I’m wracking my brains to think of places in Castle & Duke Street that’ll provide table service, The Rummer? Revolution? The little Portuguese cafe? Or is it going to be an area for people to bring and eat their Greggs and Macdonalds delicacies? Are the tables allied to any establishments or are they free for anyone to sit there? If so, who is going to clean them in preparation for the next lot to sit down? From the photo I’ve seen it doesn’t look very inviting, I do hope the people that use the area treat it with respect and not have the ‘some other bugger can pick my litter up’ attitude.
There must be a reason for it. But im sat on st marys st now having a sneaky glass of wine, and its rammed. Waiters having to ferry things across ro tables nowhere near their actual bar. Its nice (if slow), but could really use a sort of covered area in the middle with parasols and additional seating. No idea why they went with castle st but mayne there is a logic to it that we mortals cant see
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Anyone solved the buses problem yet? St Mary St was the obvious street to go 100% Continental, that’s where the majority of bars and food outlets are and would be managed by them, it would have meant minimal disruption and a lot cheaper no doubt. I’m wracking my brains to think of places in Castle & Duke Street that’ll provide table service, The Rummer? Revolution? The little Portuguese cafe? Or is it going to be an area for people to bring and eat their Greggs and Macdonalds delicacies? Are the tables allied to any establishments or are they free for anyone to sit there? If so, who is going to clean them in preparation for the next lot to sit down? From the photo I’ve seen it doesn’t look very inviting, I do hope the people that use the area treat it with respect and not have the ‘some other bugger can pick my litter up’ attitude.
Why don't you Email the council with your concerns, or speak to your local councillor.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
Why don't you Email the council with your concerns, or speak to your local councillor.
What!!!!!! With all the knowledge on here? ..... Oh hang on, you were sending buses from Rumney, Llanrumney, Llanedeyrn, Pentwyn and other places from that way and buses from Whitchurch, Llanishen and other suburbs north on a magical mystery tour to somehow reach Tudor Rd the other day:hehe::hehe:::hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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splott parker
What!!!!!! With all the knowledge on here? ..... Oh hang on, you were sending buses from Rumney, Llanrumney, Llanedeyrn, Pentwyn and other places from that way and buses from Whitchurch, Llanishen and other suburbs north on a magical mystery tour to somehow reach Tudor Rd the other day:hehe::hehe:::hehe:
I really wasn't, trying to work out what the plans are for the bus routes. I don't really care that much, you obviously do, so why don't you get in touch with the local authority and take your concerns to them, as you're asking the questions. :thumbup:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Anyone solved the buses problem yet? St Mary St was the obvious street to go 100% Continental, that’s where the majority of bars and food outlets are and would be managed by them, it would have meant minimal disruption and a lot cheaper no doubt. I’m wracking my brains to think of places in Castle & Duke Street that’ll provide table service, The Rummer? Revolution? The little Portuguese cafe? Or is it going to be an area for people to bring and eat their Greggs and Macdonalds delicacies? Are the tables allied to any establishments or are they free for anyone to sit there? If so, who is going to clean them in preparation for the next lot to sit down? From the photo I’ve seen it doesn’t look very inviting, I do hope the people that use the area treat it with respect and not have the ‘some other bugger can pick my litter up’ attitude.
I've been wondering about this too. There's an app involved, of course. Local pubs and restaurants can pay to join up, customers can check the menus of the places involved and order through the app. As far as I understand it, the restaurant just has to come up with the meal and the rest is taken care of, presumably by some kind of Deliveroo type service.
I'm probably being thick but I can't work out how, for example, 2 steak and kidney pies, peas, chips and gravy, a pint of lager and a glass of wine are going to make their way from Churchill Way to Castle Street in one piece. What happens if there's a problem with the meal? Plates and cutlery? Or will you be expected to eat a steak off a paper plate with a plastic knife and fork? Toilet facilities?
Open tomorrow. I'm assuming the Council aren't just going to wing it but I'm missing something for now.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
We certainly need much better public transport, cheap, regular and not for profit if CCC are going down this route (excuse pun) or park an ride schemes that offer real value-i'd be all for it then.
Get in touch with the council or your local councillor then and suggest it, follow the advice that you give to anyone with a different view to you:getscoat:.........Please don’t tell us that you already have:facepalm:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
Aren't the buses going to come in the back way, via Tudor Rd? I'm sure they will.
C’mon now Tuerto, all this ‘Get in touch or email your councillor’ is a load of bollocks, if we got in touch with ‘whoever’s supposed to be in charge’ that’d be the end of this messageboard. Anyway, you asked the above bus route questioned and were answered quite thoroughly yet you didn’t come back with an alternative solution route wise. But then again, you drive down the ever more congested Western Avenue to reach town or The City creating traffic chaos on Penhill, Llandaff Rd and Cathedral Rd with everyone heading in the same direction because there’s no other way to go.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Loramski
I've been wondering about this too. There's an app involved, of course. Local pubs and restaurants can pay to join up, customers can check the menus of the places involved and order through the app. As far as I understand it, the restaurant just has to come up with the meal and the rest is taken care of, presumably by some kind of Deliveroo type service.
I'm probably being thick but I can't work out how, for example, 2 steak and kidney pies, peas, chips and gravy, a pint of lager and a glass of wine are going to make their way from Churchill Way to Castle Street in one piece. What happens if there's a problem with the meal? Plates and cutlery? Or will you be expected to eat a steak off a paper plate with a plastic knife and fork? Toilet facilities?
Open tomorrow. I'm assuming the Council aren't just going to wing it but I'm missing something for now.
Exactly, an eating area surely needs to be near the places that are providing the food otherwise it becomes a picnic area which in the UK haven’t got a good reputation for being litter free. Delmi is right, not sure if on this thread or another thread, some people in this country seriously need educating on the litter situation.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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splott parker
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Get in touch with the council or your local councillor then and suggest it, follow the advice that you give to anyone with a different view to you:getscoat:.........Please don’t tell us that you already have:facepalm:
I have, i'm a member of the Labour Party, i have put this suggestion forward on a few occasions at meetings. I don't sit on my arse moaning on a messageboard, i try to get involved a little bit. Maybe you should, you seem to know what's right and wrong on this subject.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
Loramski
I've been wondering about this too. There's an app involved, of course. Local pubs and restaurants can pay to join up, customers can check the menus of the places involved and order through the app. As far as I understand it, the restaurant just has to come up with the meal and the rest is taken care of, presumably by some kind of Deliveroo type service.
I'm probably being thick but I can't work out how, for example, 2 steak and kidney pies, peas, chips and gravy, a pint of lager and a glass of wine are going to make their way from Churchill Way to Castle Street in one piece. What happens if there's a problem with the meal? Plates and cutlery? Or will you be expected to eat a steak off a paper plate with a plastic knife and fork? Toilet facilities?
Open tomorrow. I'm assuming the Council aren't just going to wing it but I'm missing something for now.
I think that's the general idea - giving restaurants the chance to serve up food 'outdoors' to overcome social distancing rules. A 20 minute wait for a cold[ish] paper plate of mush with plastic cutlery, warm beer, stinking portaloos.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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splott parker
C’mon now Tuerto, all this ‘Get in touch or email your councillor’ is a load of bollocks, if we got in touch with ‘whoever’s supposed to be in charge’ that’d be the end of this messageboard. Anyway, you asked the above bus route questioned and were answered quite thoroughly yet you didn’t come back with an alternative solution route wise. But then again, you drive down the ever more congested Western Avenue to reach town or The City creating traffic chaos on Penhill, Llandaff Rd and Cathedral Rd with everyone heading in the same direction because there’s no other way to go.
How can i get back with alternative routes-how many ****ing routes are there? I asked a question-because i don't have the answer, it's not for me to provide a route, simply because i think something is ok, that doesn't mean that i have to come up with the solutions, that's not my job.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
The SEAGULLS Steve, the SEAGULLS, will leave them spotless :hehe:
The GULLS won't clean up their own shit.
There are no such birds as "seagulls", only Herring Gulls, which we normally call "seagulls", and Terns (the smaller white ones)
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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splott parker
Exactly, an eating area surely needs to be near the places that are providing the food otherwise it becomes a picnic area which in the UK haven’t got a good reputation for being litter free. Delmi is right, not sure if on this thread or another thread, some people in this country seriously need educating on the litter situation.
I assume the Council will have staff there to deal with cleaning, litter etc but it's hard to imagine the area not attracting seagulls and pigeons although I don't want to judge all this too soon, we'll have to wait and see.
We're going to have to wait a bit longer to find out. Despite signs being up yesterday afternoon that it would be open today, that's now been delayed till Friday.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-...-open-18677644
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
How can i get back with alternative routes-how many ****ing routes are there? I asked a question-because i don't have the answer, it's not for me to provide a route, simply because i think something is ok, that doesn't mean that i have to come up with the solutions, that's not my job.
There are 3 MAIN routes into Cardiff City Centre.
1) Newport Road------ Serving, Roath, Rumney, Llanrumney, St Mellons
2) North Road---------Serving, Birchgrove, Llanishen, Lisvane, Thornhill
3) Cowbridge Road---Serving, Canton, Ely, and anything else in the west.
All 3 are shut down, so ANYONE, from ANYWHERE, who want to take public transport across our City, has to traipse across the city centre, with, bags, kids, disabled etc,etc,etc.
And YES, I have been in touch with a councilor.
We are not a Coventry, Birmingham, or York, type of City. We are a coastal City, with limited access roads into it's centre, shut them off and you kill it.
As SplottParker, and others have pointed out, all traffic going down Western Avenue, left onto (single lane) Cardiff Road, is asking for trouble.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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bobh
The GULLS won't clean up their own shit.
There are no such birds as "seagulls", only Herring Gulls, which we normally call "seagulls", and Terns (the smaller white ones)
Someone better tell the Brighton fans this !!!!!!!! :hehe::hehe:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
There are 3 MAIN routes into Cardiff City Centre.
1) Newport Road------ Serving, Roath, Rumney, Llanrumney, St Mellons
2) North Road---------Serving, Birchgrove, Llanishen, Lisvane, Thornhill
3) Cowbridge Road---Serving, Canton, Ely, and anything else in the west.
All 3 are shut down, so ANYONE, from ANYWHERE, who want to take public transport across our City, has to traipse across the city centre, with, bags, kids, disabled etc,etc,etc.
And YES, I have been in touch with a councilor.
We are not a Coventry, Birmingham, or York, type of City. We are a coastal City, with limited access roads into it's centre, shut them off and you kill it.
As SplottParker, and others have pointed out, all traffic going down Western Avenue, left onto (single lane) Cardiff Road, is asking for trouble.
Ad all of those routes are running up until Castle St. If people have to walk across the City Centre in order to make the connection, especially if disabled, then that's wrong. I don't know if there are alternatives, neither do you or Splott Parker, maybe one of us should take the time out to find out if there are any and not pursue the anecdotal line of evidence. I like the 'Picnic Area' or whatever it's called, i certainly wouldn't like the vulnerable and elderly having to make a long old walk across the city in order to make a connection. As for those who want to take their cars through the City Centre for no good reason, then **** them, they can get on a bus or find an alternative route, it's not that difficult with a little bit of planning and foresight. People just don't like change in my opinion, unless it ticks all of their 'prejudiced' boxes.
I had a bus lane constructed outside of my house for the best part of 6 months, maybe longer-i couldn't park close to my house, couldn't load my tools and had no pavement, plus constant noise, but i thought that in the interests of everyone that uses public transport that it would be worth it, no more getting completely stuck on Caerphilly rd at busy times for commuters and those who like to visit the City Centre (including myself) It's worked out well in my opinion. We had the usual Tory twats grizzling because they couldn't park within 3 inches of their house anymore, but hey ho, every cloud.. The point is that things change, they may not start out being perfect, there will be problems, hopefully they'll sort themselves out and the car drivers of cardiff and the surrounding areas are encouraged to take a little time out to plan their route, or use a bus or train.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
According to Cardiff Bus website, if you want to travel from Pentwyn to Ely, which would involve one connection, then the Pentwyn Bus Docks in Westgate St, the 17-18 bus to Ely then departs from Westgate St, the bus from Pentwyn goes around the back of John Lewis and down that short bit of St Marys St, left dow wood st and right into Westgate St. Must be absolute hell for people.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
Ad all of those routes are running up until Castle St. If people have to walk across the City Centre in order to make the connection, especially if disabled, then that's wrong. I don't know if there are alternatives, neither do you or Splott Parker, maybe one of us should take the time out to find out if there are any and not pursue the anecdotal line of evidence. I like the 'Picnic Area' or whatever it's called, i certainly wouldn't like the vulnerable and elderly having to make a long old walk across the city in order to make a connection. As for those who want to take their cars through the City Centre for no good reason, then **** them, they can get on a bus or find an ALTERNATIVE ROUTE , it's not that difficult with a little bit of planning and foresight. People just don't like change in my opinion, unless it ticks all of their 'prejudiced' boxes.
I had a bus lane constructed outside of my house for the best part of 6 months, maybe longer-i couldn't park close to my house, couldn't load my tools and had no pavement, plus constant noise, but i thought that in the interests of everyone that uses public transport that it would be worth it, no more getting completely stuck on Caerphilly rd at busy times for commuters and those who like to visit the City Centre (including myself) It's worked out well in my opinion. We had the usual Tory twats grizzling because they couldn't park within 3 inches of their house anymore, but hey ho, every cloud.. The point is that things change, they may not start out being perfect, there will be problems, hopefully they'll sort themselves out and the car drivers of cardiff and the surrounding areas are encouraged to take a little time out to plan their route, or use a bus or train.
It's not sinking in, is it !!!!!
THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, APART FROM WESTERN AVENUE !!!!!!
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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BLUETIT
It's not sinking in, is it !!!!!
THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, APART FROM WESTERN AVENUE !!!!!!
Stop shouting. There is an alternative route, a skirt around the edge of the south of the City or the ely link rd via the m4. Rover way for those entering from the East. If somebody decides to drive through a built up area that is very busy with shoppers, workers, pedestrians., and people who like to sit out and have a picnic then they may be inconvenienced, tough shit, start planning a bit better, prioritise the route and need for travel.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
Stop shouting. There is an alternative route, a skirt around the edge of the south of the City or the ely link rd via the m4. Rover way for those entering from the East. If somebody decides to drive through a built up area that is very busy with shoppers, workers, pedestrians., and people who like to sit out and have a picnic then they may be inconvenienced, tough shit, start planning a bit better, prioritise the route and need for travel.
So the buses go on Rover Way and the M4, Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Where do the passengers get on, pray tell ???????????
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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BLUETIT
It's not sinking in, is it !!!!!
THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, APART FROM WESTERN AVENUE !!!!!!
That’s right, to reduce congestion, traffic fumes etc surely it’s better to keep as many direct main arteries open and use facilities already in place. There’s a huge amount of pedestrianised areas in town, the extra square metres gained by the closure of Castle St is dwarfed by the non traffic areas of Queen St, St Mary St, Working St, The Hayes etc. These places also have the required outlets on tap to provide for patrons. One thing town could with though is a free Wally train, hop on, hop off, would be a great asset to the aged and less mobile. As for Tuerto not sitting on his arse moaning on a messageboard:hehe::hehe: Anyway, what are forums for? No moaners, no forums. It does seem as the council is determined to strangle retail in town and create a massive eating and drinking area, if this is the case it’s a shame for the shoppers who love a day out browsing the stores instead of driving to a soulless out of town centre.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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BLUETIT
So the buses go on Rover Way and the M4, Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Where do the passengers get on, pray tell ???????????
I've got nothing to contribute to the bus debate, and at the risk of derailing the thread temporarily, did you hold the "m" down or press it 33 individual times? I think it's the second one because you seem to have tired yourself out by the time you got to the question marks :sherlock:
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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splott parker
That’s right, to reduce congestion, traffic fumes etc surely it’s better to keep as many direct main arteries open and use facilities already in place. There’s a huge amount of pedestrianised areas in town, the extra square metres gained by the closure of Castle St is dwarfed by the non traffic areas of Queen St, St Mary St, Working St, The Hayes etc. These places also have the required outlets on tap to provide for patrons. One thing town could with though is a free Wally train, hop on, hop off, would be a great asset to the aged and less mobile. As for Tuerto not sitting on his arse moaning on a messageboard:hehe::hehe: Anyway, what are forums for? No moaners, no forums. It does seem as the council is determined to strangle retail in town and create a massive eating and drinking area, if this is the case it’s a shame for the shoppers who love a day out browsing the stores instead of driving to a soulless out of town centre.
It seems so mad that they've chosen Castle Street when St Mary's seems perfect that there has to be a reason for it. Thinking about it - stick that seating area in the middle of St Mary's St, and with the existing seating areas from the bars and restaurants maybe it wouldn't leave enough room either side for social distancing when walking? That's the only reason I can think of
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
So the buses go on Rover Way and the M4, Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Where do the passengers get on, pray tell ???????????
No, the cars go onto rover way and the M4, there is an alternative. Pay attention. The buses are going around the back into westgate st with connections on westgate st. I don't know if that's all of them, but like i previously said, the bus from pentwyn stops at Westgate st and a connection to Ely is from Westgate St, essentially, it looks like there are alternative connecting stops. I can understand why this may be difficult for some people, i really can.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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splott parker
That’s right, to reduce congestion, traffic fumes etc surely it’s better to keep as many direct main arteries open and use facilities already in place. There’s a huge amount of pedestrianised areas in town, the extra square metres gained by the closure of Castle St is dwarfed by the non traffic areas of Queen St, St Mary St, Working St, The Hayes etc. These places also have the required outlets on tap to provide for patrons. One thing town could with though is a free Wally train, hop on, hop off, would be a great asset to the aged and less mobile. As for Tuerto not sitting on his arse moaning on a messageboard:hehe::hehe: Anyway, what are forums for? No moaners, no forums. It does seem as the council is determined to strangle retail in town and create a massive eating and drinking area, if this is the case it’s a shame for the shoppers who love a day out browsing the stores instead of driving to a soulless out of town centre.
It looks like the council are trying to change attitudes and entitlement when it comes to people using their vehicles to enter one of the most polluted parts of the UK. A bit of a nudge wont hurt in my opinion, although it seems that they're not going to please everyone. It looks to me like there are viable connection docking points in the City Centre although i may be wrong. Feel free to do your own research instead of garnishing your own opinion based on absolutely no evidence what so ever, we will only find out if this works if it is trialed, if that means some people are put out then so be it.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
It seems so mad that they've chosen Castle Street when St Mary's seems perfect that there has to be a reason for it. Thinking about it - stick that seating area in the middle of St Mary's St, and with the existing seating areas from the bars and restaurants maybe it wouldn't leave enough room either side for social distancing when walking? That's the only reason I can think of
The council want to get people out of their cars and onto public transport. The main issue here is the cost, frequency and things like park and ride schemes. In essence, that money could come into the council coffers as opposed to rip off merchants like NCP (an absolute shithouse company) The car parks will still be there if people want to use them.