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13-12-19, 13:45
life on mars

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I think the other issue is a lot of folk in the country see the labour as a left London elite and are sooo out of touch ,and Mr Johnosn tapped into that well and Labour spectacular failed , well before JC in 2010 Labour had 41 seats in Scotland :facepalm:
13-12-19, 14:06
NYCBlue

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Originally Posted by Q

Tax havens? Yep stop them. They would not be needed if we simply set a limit on the MAX tax paid

Bullshit. You obviously have no idea how greedy the super-rich are.
13-12-19, 14:10
surge

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Originally Posted by dml1954

This is a golden example of why Labour just got hammered in the polls - Labour leaders, supporters and Momentum still believe that anyone who voted for Brexit or Conservatives must be stupid or ill educated. They have obviously learnt nothing from what has happened.

There were certainly remainers who were arrogant in their vote in the initial referendum and aftermath but this arrogance was weaponised by the Tory party and Vote Leave who had done their best to promote ignorance through their misinformation campaign. I can honestly say that my understanding of the EU now is limited but it's so much more than was at the time of the initial referendum, and considering the bad information politician and pundits have come out with before and since I reckon, if being honest, most would say the same. It doesn't demonstrate ignorance to know you're not well informed, it demonstrates intelligence and maturity.

Wouldn't it negligent for people to i) not meet with leave voters and ask why they did it and ii) if they are best supported by staying in the EU to openly say that and pull in that direction? We instead have a government telling us not to believe in experts and predictions done by their own civil service and instead believe in Boris saying "well I tell you different." By the end, Arlene Foster (paid billions by the Tory party) said she didn't trust Boris!

Brexit being sorted by this vote is in itself misleading. We have a withdrawal agreement (as we would have if Boris etc. had voted with Theresa May) but Brexit isn't finished until we have a trade agreement with the EU. Brexit fatigue may make that a more rapid process but how many good decisions are made when fatigued and frustrated?

I mean, it's all done now, but ultimately we now have a government who changed their twitter handle to make it look like a fact-checking website (arguing CCHQ was understood enough that it wouldn't mislead people, suggesting the press would have adapted the website to encourage distrust in the media challenging them) are willing to create a fake news story regarding an aid getting hit to distract from a bad news story for our Prime Minister, have 88% of their social media ads be classed as misleading (compared to 0% of Labours)....we have a government who have promoted ignorance and won votes by telling voters the other side consider them stupid. Labour not responding well enough to that is not the biggest issue we have.
13-12-19, 14:11
goats

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It's an extra nine million UK residents since 2001 (58 million to 67 million).

But why are you moaning? If you phone you doctor's surgery today for an appointment they'll probably have a space available at around Easter time.

Ah yes the great nhs we only moan about apart from election time when we all love it.....it’s the new way to see your gp don’t you know? You wait a month in pain or worry, by the time the app comes around it’s either gone away or your phucked....:xmashehe:
13-12-19, 14:30
surge

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Anyone want to guess how long until we get the report looking at Russian interference in our political system?
13-12-19, 14:41
surge

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https://twitter.com/ItsMattCurtis/st...05663788175362

Stanley Johnson talking about women wearing burqas flying planes.....how did the conversation go there??
13-12-19, 16:26
jon1959

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Originally Posted by goats

We have too many people for starters....when your kids can’t get in a school half a mile away you know it’s phucked. Is it an extra 10 million since Blair let anyone in? We moan about traffic, hospital waiting and getting a doctors appointment though.....

No - it is not 10 million. It is under half of that since 1997.
13-12-19, 16:31
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by B. Oddie

They didn't need to. They're the puppet masters and the public are on strings.

Anybody who voted for a party other than Labour yesterday have effectively signed the death warrants of hundreds of thousands of people over the next five years.

maybe millions. Even billions. Perhaps the whole universe..
13-12-19, 16:46
Robin Friday's Ghost

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I haven't really seen any sign of it on social media today but it might be worth Labour looking at itself rather than looking for reasons for its defeat elsewhere. Yes of course the media is biased against Labour. It always has been. I remember hearing Jimmy Reid the shipbuilding unionist speaking in the 80s where he was ridiculing the left who complained that they'd have more success if it wasn't for the capitalist press. He compared it to saying your horse might win the Grand National if it wasn't for the fences.

Attlee, Wilson, Blair managed it. Maybe there is a reason why this Labour Party with the policies it adopted didn't which lies within? All I've seen today is more name-calling and demonising of the people who the party was trying to get onside before the election and will need to win over if they are ever to get elected again.
13-12-19, 16:52
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Bullshit. You obviously have no idea how greedy the super-rich are.

The highest earning 1% in the UK pay an estimated 28% of all income tax

You'd like them to pay a bit more, no doubt..
13-12-19, 16:58
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by dml1954

This is a golden example of why Labour just got hammered in the polls - Labour leaders, supporters and Momentum still believe that anyone who voted for Brexit or Conservatives must be stupid or ill educated.

So you reckon there were no Labour leaders, supporters or Momentum officials who voted for Brexit?

Give your head a wobble, you idiot.
13-12-19, 16:59
Tuerto

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The question is why have traditional labour voters abandoned Labour? It has to be Brexit to a large degree but there's another factor involved and that's the fact that this country hasn't had a real left wing alternative in decades, Labour may have had three terms with Blair and Brown at the helm but their policies were pro business and about deregulation, there wasn't much in it for the working classes, infact. we've witnessed the birth of the underclasses.

New Labour have contributed to this mess, you expect the Tories to attack the poor but not Labour. Alot of working class people in former industrial heartlands have had enough, Politicians do little for their communities, jobs were never replaced, manufacturing and industry gone and not much of a future for the young. They've been badly let down by politicians so what are they to do? When the opportunity came along to lodge a protest thet took that opportunity by voting leave, a desperate act, a solitary punch thrown towards the decision makers in this country who have allowed these people and their once proud communities to rot.

The sad thing is that whatever people think of Corbyn, his policies were designed to help these very people, they were genuine and honest , but to late for the majority who seem to think that leaving the club will bring them more opportunity and a chance to progress. They are wrong and will sadly be proved wrong. Johnson and his business cronies want out so desperately in order to cut working conditions and get rid of legislation that is in place to protect the poorest and most vulnerable, things wont improve for working class people, they're going to get a whole lot worse.

Whenever the bully, gobshite, populist, blowhard is given a platform and endorsed by the many it usually means that there are other issues at hand that haven't been dealt with. massive underlining problems that go back decades,, well, this is what has happened and this is what we've got because of the neglect and failure to help the poorest by both administrations. These people aren't stupid, uneducated and gullible, just desperate. When desperation kicks in the bully with the gob can sometimes be seen as the only option.
13-12-19, 17:03
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

The highest earning 1% in the UK pay an estimated 28% of all income tax

You'd like them to pay a bit more, no doubt..

Is that 1% all tax revenues (income, NI, vat, corporation, capital gains etc)? Or does it not factor in the Panama Paper boys hoovering up their wealth into secretive offshore accounts? I'd like those bastards to pay a bit more... what about you?
13-12-19, 17:09
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Is that 1% all tax revenues (income, NI, vat, corporation, capital gains etc)? Or does it not factor in the Panama Paper boys hoovering up their wealth into secretive offshore accounts? I'd like those bastards to pay a bit more... what about you?

It's income tax. The figures are from an independent, non-political organization. You could probably tell them all to F off to somewhere else and pay their £50 billion or so to another nation state..
13-12-19, 17:11
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

So you reckon there were no Labour leaders, supporters or Momentum officials who voted for Brexit?

Give your head a wobble, you idiot.

Rude little man. You're frustrated because you don't understand the point being made..
13-12-19, 17:14
Tuerto

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

So you reckon there were no Labour leaders, supporters or Momentum officials who voted for Brexit?

Give your head a wobble, you idiot.

He's on some good medication, i'll give him that. The real left have no time for the EU, they see it as neo liberal and pro business. Johnson wants out because he and his chums are to the right of the EU, it's got ****all to do with honouring the referendum.
13-12-19, 17:28
the other bob wilson

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Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost

I haven't really seen any sign of it on social media today but it might be worth Labour looking at itself rather than looking for reasons for its defeat elsewhere. Yes of course the media is biased against Labour. It always has been. I remember hearing Jimmy Reid the shipbuilding unionist speaking in the 80s where he was ridiculing the left who complained that they'd have more success if it wasn't for the capitalist press. He compared it to saying your horse might win the Grand National if it wasn't for the fences.

Attlee, Wilson, Blair managed it. Maybe there is a reason why this Labour Party with the policies it adopted didn't which lies within? All I've seen today is more name-calling and demonising of the people who the party was trying to get onside before the election and will need to win over if they are ever to get elected again.

I think Labour have got to prove in the coming years that they are more than just an inward looking sect. Their boast of having the biggest membership of any political party in Europe means nothing as far as electorial success is concerned, but I fear it could ensure that we see them resorting more to the name calling and demonsing you talk about and in that direction lies oblivion as far as being a party which could form a Government is concerned.
13-12-19, 17:28
The Bloop

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

It's income tax. The figures are from an independent, non-political organization. You could probably tell them all to F off to somewhere else and pay their £50 billion or so to another nation state..

https://www.theguardian.com/business...fiscal-studies
13-12-19, 17:34
the other bob wilson

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

The question is why have traditional labour voters abandoned Labour? It has to be Brexit to a large degree but there's another factor involved and that's the fact that this country hasn't had a real left wing alternative in decades, Labour may have had three terms with Blair and Brown at the helm but their policies were pro business and about deregulation, there wasn't much in it for the working classes, infact. we've witnessed the birth of the underclasses.

New Labour have contributed to this mess, you expect the Tories to attack the poor but not Labour. Alot of working class people in former industrial heartlands have had enough, Politicians do little for their communities, jobs were never replaced, manufacturing and industry gone and not much of a future for the young. They've been badly let down by politicians so what are they to do? When the opportunity came along to lodge a protest thet took that opportunity by voting leave, a desperate act, a solitary punch thrown towards the decision makers in this country who have allowed these people and their once proud communities to rot.

The sad thing is that whatever people think of Corbyn, his policies were designed to help these very people, they were genuine and honest , but to late for the majority who seem to think that leaving the club will bring them more opportunity and a chance to progress. They are wrong and will sadly be proved wrong. Johnson and his business cronies want out so desperately in order to cut working conditions and get rid of legislation that is in place to protect the poorest and most vulnerable, things wont improve for working class people, they're going to get a whole lot worse.

Whenever the bully, gobshite, populist, blowhard is given a platform and endorsed by the many it usually means that there are other issues at hand that haven't been dealt with. massive underlining problems that go back decades,, well, this is what has happened and this is what we've got because of the neglect and failure to help the poorest by both administrations. These people aren't stupid, uneducated and gullible, just desperate. When desperation kicks in the bully with the gob can sometimes be seen as the only option.

There's been a lot of talk about One Nation Conservatism today from the winning party and it'll be interesting to see whether there are changes to the Cabinet in the coming days, because the last thing I'd expect from the one that went into the election is One Nation Conservatism.
13-12-19, 17:46
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

https://www.theguardian.com/business...fiscal-studies

More like £60 billion then..
13-12-19, 18:26
Pearcey3

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Taking away the fact corbyn had a toxic image , fuelled by the right wing press and had an awful team behind him , the public will get what the public wants .......a race to the bottom and a return to the days of thatcher who Boris adored

Sadly there is a massive sting in the tale ........lack of housing , poor public services and a crumbling NHS

Don't say we didn't warn you

What I don’t want to hear is those that voted Tory start moaning in the years that follow. I have a feeling many are going to be disappointed and it will serve them right.
13-12-19, 18:29
DubaiDai

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I think Labour have got to prove in the coming years that they are more than just an inward looking sect. Their boast of having the biggest membership of any political party in Europe means nothing as far as electorial success is concerned, but I fear it could ensure that we see them resorting more to the name calling and demonsing you talk about and in that direction lies oblivion as far as being a party which could form a Government is concerned.

Unfortunately this was an election between a buffoon and a Marxist lefty that no one trusted.
If labour want to make a comeback they will need to drop these politicians of the 60’s and 70’s along with Len McCluskey and get someone more like Blair. Labour need the middle ground and leftist politics will never get them
13-12-19, 18:37
Clinton Baptiste

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

What I don’t want to hear is those that voted Tory start moaning in the years that follow. I have a feeling many are going to be disappointed and it will serve them right.

They'll have to go a long way to moan as much as you ****ing have over the years on this messagboard
13-12-19, 18:55
Heathblue

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Just perhaps it would have better to let Johnson have his deal of a few months ago, he was weak then and could have been controlled , he's now in Pl ace for 5 years with a such a majority with that he can get anything through the House even with a bit of dissent, I was genuinely surprised to wake up this morning to the news, with the choice of candidates on offer wasn't really bothered who won, that said having a tory win with such a commanding majority is not something I would have wanted but not having voted, apparently I got what I deserved. I note that he still hasn't resigned as yet and taken his crew with him, if he's allowed any influence over the next leader then I'm certain I'll not see another Labour Pm, I'm sure BJ will be found out very soon by his new supporters but will Labour continue with a radical left which has just been given one massive FO tablet and blow it again, or will they modernise to an electable left leaning party.
13-12-19, 18:59
lardy

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Just perhaps it would have better to let Johnson have his deal of a few months ago, he was weak then and could have been controlled , he's now in Pl ace for 5 years with a such a majority with that he can get anything through the House even with a bit of dissent, I was genuinely surprised to wake up this morning to the news, with the choice of candidates on offer wasn't really bothered who won, that said having a tory win with such a commanding majority is not something I would have wanted but not having voted, apparently I got what I deserved. I note that he still hasn't resigned as yet and taken his crew with him, if he's allowed any influence over the next leader then I'm certain I'll not see another Labour Pm, I'm sure BJ will be found out very soon by his new supporters but will Labour continue with a radical left which has just been given one massive FO tablet and blow it again, or will they modernise to an electable left leaning party.

They did "let" him have his deal. He withdrew it.
13-12-19, 19:10
jon1959

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Just perhaps it would have better to let Johnson have his deal of a few months ago, he was weak then and could have been controlled , he's now in Pl ace for 5 years with a such a majority with that he can get anything through the House even with a bit of dissent, I was genuinely surprised to wake up this morning to the news, with the choice of candidates on offer wasn't really bothered who won, that said having a tory win with such a commanding majority is not something I would have wanted but not having voted, apparently I got what I deserved. I note that he still hasn't resigned as yet and taken his crew with him, if he's allowed any influence over the next leader then I'm certain I'll not see another Labour Pm, I'm sure BJ will be found out very soon by his new supporters but will Labour continue with a radical left which has just been given one massive FO tablet and blow it again, or will they modernise to an electable left leaning party.

1. Didn't Johnson's Brexit Deal (aka Theresa May's deal with an Irish Sea border) get passed by MPs in October. They wanted time to deal with it properly (so end January not end October deadline) but it was Johnson (who voted against Brexit twice) who pulled the plug!

2. The 'radical left' leader of the Labour Party took them to 41% (against Tory 43%) of the vote with a similar, popular, manifesto in 2017. True there have been two and a half years more of concerted attacks from the media and the other side in the Labour civil war which has caused him more damage, but the real difference is the Brexit stance. Labour did not have a 'get off the fence' option and it killed them. Corbyn was also less effective and less of a surprise in the campaign this time around - but that cannot explain the scale of the loss of leave voting heartland seats.

3. I hope Corbyn resigns the leadership sooner rather than later, but he is right to tie the timing in to a new leadership election process - and that should be down to the Labour party to decide, not Laura Kuenssberg or the Mail Online. But it should be done as quickly as possible (as should an internal review of why they failed so badly - especially as McDonnell and others really expected a repeat of 2017 in the final days).
13-12-19, 19:19
DubaiDai

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Originally Posted by jon1959

1. Didn't Johnson's Brexit Deal (aka Theresa May's deal with an Irish Sea border) get passed by MPs in October. They wanted time to deal with it properly (so end January not end October deadline) but it was Johnson (who voted against Brexit twice) who pulled the plug!

2. The 'radical left' leader of the Labour Party took them to 41% (against Tory 43%) of the vote with a similar, popular, manifesto in 2017. True there have been two and a half years more of concerted attacks from the media and the other side in the Labour civil war which has caused him more damage, but the real difference is the Brexit stance. Labour did not have a 'get off the fence' option and it killed them. Corbyn was also less effective and less of a surprise in the campaign this time around - but that cannot explain the scale of the loss of leave voting heartland seats.

3. I hope Corbyn resigns the leadership sooner rather than later, but he is right to tie the timing in to a new leadership election process - and that should be down to the Labour party to decide, not Laura Kuenssberg or the Mail Online. But it should be done as quickly as possible (as should an internal review of why they failed so badly - especially as McDonnell and others really expected a repeat of 2017 in the final days).

Jon, when May called the election in 2017 she wrongly took advice that she was in a fairly strong position, which was totally untrue.
Also since then the public perception is that a Cornyn has continually frustrated the leave vote and then taken any of the Tory pledges, only to increase the funding promises beyond reasonable limits. Without Torres saying much more Corbyn lost his credibility.
The country needs a strong Labour Party to be successful but far left thinking is now alienating them more and more
13-12-19, 19:22
Heathblue

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[QUOTE=jon1959;5028911]1. Didn't Johnson's Brexit Deal (aka Theresa May's deal with an Irish Sea border) get passed by MPs in October. They wanted time to deal with it properly (so end January not end October deadline) but it was Johnson (who voted against Brexit twice) who pulled the plug!

2. The 'radical left' leader of the Labour Party took them to 41% (against Tory 43%) of the vote with a similar, popular, manifesto in 2017. True there have been two and a half years more of concerted attacks from the media and the other side in the Labour civil war which has caused him more damage, but the real difference is the Brexit stance. Labour did not have a 'get off the fence' option and it killed them. Corbyn was also less effective and less of a surprise in the campaign this time around - but that cannot explain the scale of the loss of leave voting heartland seats.

3. I hope Corbyn resigns the leadership sooner rather than later, but he is right to tie the timing in to a new leadership election process - and that should be down to the Labour party to decide, not Laura Kuenssberg or the Mail Online. But it should be done as quickly as possible (as should an internal review of why they failed so badly - especially as McDonnell and others really expected a repeat of 2017 in the final days).[/QUOTE

Jon, I thought he got turned over about 6 times on various votes in the house after his election regarding brexit stuff? I realise you are eyes on with the political stuff and your knowledge of all this will be spot on.

However, the country spoke last night, Labour has to listen rather quickly or suffer again, Corbyn is toxic, he needs to go immediately IMO, the Liberal lady has accepted her failure ASAP
13-12-19, 20:00
jackrabbit

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Boris did the Labour Party a huge favour last night. Now at last we might see the Marxist cancer of Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and Jon Lansman of Momentum (in this video) expelled from the party and the restoration of decent electable party members like Alan Johnson, Liz Kendall, Stella Creasy and other decent moderate traditional Labourites. I would like to add, Caroline Flint but she unfortunately lost her seat - the only Labour casualty that I regretted last night. I've been saying for years that the great British public would never vote for a communist, and it's no longer a matter of opinion - Corbyn was the Trotskyite disaster I expected him to be. Congratulations to the great British public! Not just Corbyn and Corbynites, also the names of the insufferable Jo Swinson, Chukka Umunna, Dominic Grieve and David Gauke consigned to the dustbin of history. Superb!

Click on the link below the picture to view the video:
Corbyn was a disaster on the doorstep... everyone knew he couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag'.

Alan Johnson says he wants the 'little cult'
@PeoplesMomentum
'out of the party' and to 'go back to your student politics' #ITVElection2019

https://itv.com/news/2019-12-12/elec...v-news/…
13-12-19, 20:07
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Corbyn and his crew have got to go , he had some good ideas but he was cannon fodder for the Tory press and he was a very poor leader , if we had a more electable leader and a decent manifesto we could have had a hung parliament

That together with voter ignorance .......let's not defend it .......gave us a right hiding

I am a lefty but far left manifestos thrown in with a poor leader , infighting and brexit was never going to do the business
13-12-19, 20:10
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by jackrabbit

Boris did the Labour Party a huge favour last night. Now at last we might see the Marxist cancer of Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and Jon Lansman of Momentum (in this video) expelled from the party and the restoration of decent electable party members like Alan Johnson, Liz Kendall, Stella Creasy and other decent moderate traditional Labourites. I would like to add, Caroline Flint but she unfortunately lost her seat - the only Labour casualty that I regretted last night. I've been saying for years that the great British public would never vote for a communist, and it's no longer a matter of opinion - Corbyn was the Trotskyite disaster I expected him to be. Congratulations to the great British public! Not just Corbyn and Corbynites, also the names of the insufferable Jo Swinson, Chukka Umunna, Dominic Grieve and David Gauke consigned to the dustbin of history. Superb!

Click on the link below the picture to view the video:
Corbyn was a disaster on the doorstep... everyone knew he couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag'.

Alan Johnson says he wants the 'little cult'
@PeoplesMomentum
'out of the party' and to 'go back to your student politics' #ITVElection2019

https://itv.com/news/2019-12-12/elec...v-news/…

Liz Kendall or Stella creasey would make great middle ground leaders

Both very intelligent women
13-12-19, 20:26
lardy

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Ed/David was a real sliding doors moment for labour (and the UK).
13-12-19, 20:32
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by lardy

Ed/David was a real sliding doors moment for labour (and the UK).

Yes we fecked up big time there

David milliband was a centrist moderate who could have taken the party forward but he had links with Blair and Iraq

Ed milliband , propped up by the union vote , was hopeless
13-12-19, 20:49
Jordi Culé

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I see Corbyn loyalists are blaming Brexit for the election outcome. I'd say they are right to do so, but what they are not comprehending is that it is their Brexit policy which has cost them. All the Conservatives did was increase their vote by around 1.5%, a far bigger contribution to the result was Labour's decline from 40% of the vote in 2017 to 32.2% this time around. I think Corbyn should go much sooner rather than later because his strategy (and the public perception is that it was his strategy) saw his party losing support among remainers as well as leavers.

What I failed to understand in 2016 and still don't understand now is that the difference makers in the Referendum were working class people in what were Labour strongholds. It seems to me that they voted Leave because of a "my life is shit" sentiment, but it baffles me why they would hold the EU and the main opposition party responsible for that, rather than the Government of this country in which the Conservative party had been a constant factor for six years at the time of the vote.

However, that's what they did and what they have done again, so I think those of us in England and Wales especially who want to get the Conservative party out have to try and find out why ex mining communities see the need to "get Brexit done" as a higher priority than getting rid of a party that has historically been despised in such areas.

Like you, I voted Remain in 2016, albeit reluctantly, but although I'm convinced that the 17.4 million voted for stacks of different versions of Brexit in the Referendum, the democracy being denied argument they came out with was, for me, a very hard one to counter, so I had made up my mind to vote Leave in the event of a second vote.

I'm extremely disappointed with the election result, but the truth is that my main motivation was to try and keep the Torys out and that was the reason I voted Labour rather than a desire to see them win - if I had been living in Scotland, I would definitely have voted SNP and, if Corbyn outstays his welcome in a bid to get more of the same in terms of the party leadership, then Plaid will start looking an increasingly attractive option for me.

Although Adam Price presented as a honest and good politician and I'm open to the idea of Welsh independence the only thing that trips them up is their policies are more unrealistic than Corbyn's. The uncomfortable fact for them is that although in the Welsh assembly they're the main opposition to Labour come the GE they poll far below the Tories nationally.

Corbyn fudged the issue of Brexit which undoubtedly has led to Labour getting slammed in traditional Labour areas. His strategy of trying to be all things to everyone has kicked him right in the arse.
13-12-19, 20:52
Wales-Bales

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The price of integrity ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELqC70rXYAAaUSu?format=jpg
13-12-19, 20:53
Jordi Culé

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Originally Posted by dml1954

And presumably you don't think that Corbyn is a racist or liar, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

You forgot to call him a terrorist too.

Minus 10 points.
13-12-19, 20:55
Jordi Culé

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Liz Kendall or Stella creasey would make great middle ground leaders

Both very intelligent women

I don't see anything other than Keir Starmer unless he's been tainted for being in Corbyn's shadow bench?

Labour Party members who have listened to him speak were very complimentary about him.
13-12-19, 21:06
Elwood Blues

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There's been a lot of talk about One Nation Conservatism today from the winning party and it'll be interesting to see whether there are changes to the Cabinet in the coming days, because the last thing I'd expect from the one that went into the election is One Nation Conservatism.

Apparently according to Laura K there will be some appointments next week (they have to replace Nicky Morgan and Zac Goldsmith) with a major cabinet reshuffle after Brexit
13-12-19, 21:31
Baloo

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

A very subdued atmosphere in the QT audience given one party has been voted in with a big majority.
13-12-19, 22:33
jon1959

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Interesting analysis of the number of votes needed to elect an MP by @electoralreform:

Across Britain, it took...

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP

and about 642,000 votes to not elect any Brexit Party MP.

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