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One element of the recent doom that most will celebrate is the decline in the price of the benchmark WTI crude oil. In the past 10 days it has fallen 16%, from $54 a barrel to $45.
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At long last, the counterfeiters show up.
Live: FTSE jumps as Bank of England pledges ‘all necessary steps’ to fight coronavirus – live updates
European shares rally sharply on hopes of co-ordinated central bank easing
Bank of England says it is working with the Treasury and international partners
More - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-live-updates/
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Wales-Bales
Good interview, hate or love Trump he cancelled flights very early on from China before many other countries even when Nancy and Biden called him over reacting ,who would you want in charge now , fence sitters or doers .
Wonder if this Virus is this the end of cheap Chinese Labour , corporations here and in the USA should bring the jobs back , I'd rather pay more ,have more jobs for our folk and stop this Chinese growth and influence, its far more dangerous that Trump and Boris .
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Organ Morgan.
At long last, the counterfeiters show up.
Live: FTSE jumps as Bank of England pledges ‘all necessary steps’ to fight coronavirus – live updates
European shares rally sharply on hopes of co-ordinated central bank easing
Bank of England says it is working with the Treasury and international partners
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-live-updates/
Oooh me shares are bouncing
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Yes, it's because smoke signals have been sent that interest rates will be lowered soon in several countries. Good news for borrowers, not so great for savers.
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life on mars
Good interview, hate or love Trump he cancelled flights very early on from China before many other countries even when Nancy and Biden called him over reacting ,who would you want in charge now , fence sitters or doers .
Wonder if this Virus is this the end of cheap Chinese Labour , corporations here and in the USA should bring the jobs back , I'd rather pay more ,have more jobs for our folk and stop this Chinese growth and influence, its far more dangerous that Trump and Boris .
There are some interesting points raised in this article about the financial interests of multinational corporations..
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ns-at-stake-2/
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life on mars
Oooh me shares are bouncing
Dow roars back from coronavirus sell-off with biggest gain since 2009, surges 5.1%
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/01/awai...ince-2008.html
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US Federal Reserve announced an emergency 1/2% rate cut an hour or so ago, the largest cut in 12 years. The markets knew that was coming yesterday.
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I've got a cough and a runny nose, should I go to the A&E?
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Wales-Bales
I've got a cough and a runny nose, should I go to the A&E?
No ring 111
If advised drive to an allocated location , but stay in the car .
Don't forget your smartphone .
Someone comes out to you
If you test positive your extricated to a special isolated location .
If not you will have to suffer the CCMB for many more years .
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Officials are doing a cracking job at keeping a straight face while telling us that school closures and contact limiting measures do nothing and all we need to do is wash our hands.
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Doctor Donald J Trump is on the case - don't worry it's just another Democrat hoax!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-false-number
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First death within the UK recorded. We have moved to the next stage which is delay, it looks very much like contain which involved doing nothing. I think the next one is panic isn't it?
This line of (in)action appears to be more about keeping the house of cards economy afloat than keeping old people (who appear to have become worthwhile sacrifices) alive.
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Eric Cartman
Officials are doing a cracking job at keeping a straight face while telling us that school closures and contact limiting measures do nothing and all we need to do is wash our hands.
Isn't the situation far more nuanced than that? Schools closures may yet come into force but it's not considered appropriate at this juncture?
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Taunton Blue Genie
Isn't the situation far more nuanced than that? Schools closures may yet come into force but it's not considered appropriate at this juncture?
Nuanced because they have to balance economic impact with people's lives? I agree that is what is going on, if you mean that. It will be too late by the time we reach the 'do something' stage. Maybe it is too late already but people should at least be given the opportunity. One of my team at work is vulnerable to this and also has a disabled daughter who is really likely to die if she gets it, my workplace won't do anything (even on a case by case basis) until there is some meaningful government advice.
I get the impression that the decision has been made that we can't stop it so any attempt that causes a negative economic impact would just be wasted. That doesn't take into account the fact that if empowered to do so, people can take individual steps as they see fit.
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Eric Cartman
Nuanced because they have to balance economic impact with people's lives? I agree that is what is going on, if you mean that. It will be too late by the time we reach the 'do something' stage. Maybe it is too late already but people should at least be given the opportunity. One of my team at work is vulnerable to this and also has a disabled daughter who is really likely to die if she gets it, my workplace won't do anything (even on a case by case basis) until there is some meaningful government advice.
I get the impression that the decision has been made that we can't stop it so any attempt that causes a negative economic impact would just be wasted. That doesn't take into account the fact that if empowered to do so, people can take individual steps as they see fit.
Should be cancelling big sporting events first like Saturdays rugby game , its the adults who are the issue not children .
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Eric Cartman
Nuanced because they have to balance economic impact with people's lives? I agree that is what is going on, if you mean that. It will be too late by the time we reach the 'do something' stage. Maybe it is too late already but people should at least be given the opportunity. One of my team at work is vulnerable to this and also has a disabled daughter who is really likely to die if she gets it, my workplace won't do anything (even on a case by case basis) until there is some meaningful government advice.
I get the impression that the decision has been made that we can't stop it so any attempt that causes a negative economic impact would just be wasted. That doesn't take into account the fact that if empowered to do so, people can take individual steps as they see fit.
Some people are complaining that enough isn't being done right now and others that it's all OTT. It's a fine balance that needs to be struck by the powers-that-be.
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Donny has said the 3.4% is a false number , and Democrats are willing it to be a disaster. What does he mean ??
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life on mars
Donny has said the 3.4% is a false number , and Democrats are willing it to be a disaster. What does he mean ??
You mentioned this in another thread. You appear to be hanging off his every word.
Didn't you criticise others for doing this? Happy to dig it out if you deny.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Some people are complaining that enough isn't being done right now and others that it's all OTT. It's a fine balance that needs to be struck by the powers-that-be.
The government aren't taking their lead from public opinion though, they are making an assessment based on their own internal valuations of human life and money. Given what we have seen over the last 10 years that should put the shivers up everybody.
Weird one from the figures from department for health today. Why were half the number of people tested yesterday Vs the day before? I can only think of reasons that might be branded cynical.
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Eric Cartman
The government aren't taking their lead from public opinion though, they are making an assessment based on their own internal valuations of human life and money. Given what we have seen over the last 10 years that should put the shivers up everybody.
Weird one from the figures from department for health today. Why were half the number of people tested yesterday Vs the day before? I can only think of reasons that might be branded cynical.
Are you suggesting that the government crash the economy? Following your plan there won't even be a health service left. And who is going to pay the civil servants overinflated salaries and pensions?
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Wales-Bales
Are you suggesting that the government crash the economy? Following your plan there won't even be a health service left. And who is going to pay the civil servants overinflated salaries and pensions?
No
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Eric Cartman
No
You'll get the gist of what the plan is if you watch this video. In the meantime, I would avoid the media as they appear to be scaring the sh*t out of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJcwDaZrsA
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Wales-Bales
I'm pretty sure the telegraph are 'the media' mr patronising.
I have heard enough through work to know that decisions are being made in bad faith, I could give examples (related to education) but I might be fired.
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Eric Cartman
I'm pretty sure the telegraph are 'the media' mr patronising.
I have heard enough through work to know that decisions are being made in bad faith, I could give examples (related to education) but I might be fired.
It's a government committee hearing filmed in its entirety, and the Telegraph are not adding any spin or opinion! They discuss what is going to happen and what the response will be. No panic he said/she said hearsay, just the facts from the horses mouth.
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Wales-Bales
It's a government committee hearing filmed in its entirety, and the Telegraph are not adding any spin or opinion! They discuss what is going to happen and what the response will be. No panic he said/she said hearsay, just the facts from the horses mouth.
The horses mouth? A single source is a good way of building your opinion now then? How things change.
Committee hearings make good theatre, I prefer to look at the numbers and what has/hasn't worked in other countries. Probably the worst thing to do is announce that it is a 'hoax invented by the opposition' but a close second is 'sod all'.
Yesterday one of the horses mouths (Chris whitty - CMO for england) said that 'sod all' hadn't worked and we were moving into delay phase. This morning the BBC did a q and a with the chief scientific advisor and he said we were very much 'in the contain phase', it doesn't really matter because they are both largely the same. Comms have been firing around Central and local government and the focus is pretty clearly more around controlling the narrative and message than the virus.
Let me ask you something about contain phase. Imagine a situation where a parent of a child at a specialist provision school had tested positive for coronavirus. Do you think the focus from the authorities (DfE, public health etc) would be on informing the parents of those vulnerable, potentially immunocompromised children so they can make appropriate choices for their own children/families or alternatively taking steps to ensure that the parents wouldn't find out?
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life on mars
Should be cancelling big sporting events first like Saturdays rugby game , its the adults who are the issue not children .
Children are good at wiping snot all over each other and their parents/grandparents. Yeah, anything where people are close is going to cause an issue so public transport and major sporting events.
If I had no elderly relatives and worked with nobody who was likely to suffer I would probably be not that bothered about the whole thing, it isn't likely to affect me but could be devastating for some (potentially a lot)
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Eric Cartman
The horses mouth? A single source is a good way of building your opinion now then? How things change.
Committee hearings make good theatre, I prefer to look at the numbers and what has/hasn't worked in other countries. Probably the worst thing to do is announce that it is a 'hoax invented by the opposition' but a close second is 'sod all'.
Yesterday one of the horses mouths (Chris whitty - CMO for england) said that 'sod all' hadn't worked and we were moving into delay phase. This morning the BBC did a q and a with the chief scientific advisor and he said we were very much 'in the contain phase', it doesn't really matter because they are both largely the same. Comms have been firing around Central and local government and the focus is pretty clearly more around controlling the narrative and message than the virus.
Let me ask you something about contain phase. Imagine a situation where a parent of a child at a specialist provision school had tested positive for coronavirus. Do you think the focus from the authorities (DfE, public health etc) would be on informing the parents of those vulnerable, potentially immunocompromised children so they can make appropriate choices for their own children/families or alternatively taking steps to ensure that the parents wouldn't find out?
Would you be willing to speak to the media regarding the hiding of childrens Coronavirus infections from their parents?
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My opinion of Jurgen Klopp goes up even further;-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkIZZCbxngQ
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Wales-Bales
Would you be willing to speak to the media regarding the hiding of childrens Coronavirus infections from their parents?
I just layed out a scenario that may or may not have happened. You trying to get me fired Mr Walesbales?
It's perculiar how somebody who used to scrutinise multiple sources before forming an opinion is now happy to accept the government/establishment narrative verbatim. What happened?
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Eric Cartman
I just layed out a scenario that may or may not have happened. You trying to get me fired Mr Walesbales?
It's perculiar how somebody who used to scrutinise multiple sources before forming an opinion is now happy to accept the government/establishment narrative verbatim. What happened?
I thought you were reporting it as being accurate information, in which case it would be relevent to a wider audience.
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Wales-Bales
I thought you were reporting it as being accurate information, in which case it would be relevent to a wider audience.
I am not a reporter. Care to answer my question, why do government farts smell so sweet to you these days?
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Eric Cartman
The government aren't taking their lead from public opinion though, they are making an assessment based on their own internal valuations of human life and money. Given what we have seen over the last 10 years that should put the shivers up everybody.
Weird one from the figures from department for health today. Why were half the number of people tested yesterday Vs the day before? I can only think of reasons that might be branded cynical.
The government consulting experts and evaluating the health and economic benefits and disbenefits makes more sense to me than deferring to public opinion!
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Taunton Blue Genie
The government consulting experts and evaluating the health and economic benefits and disbenefits makes more sense to me than deferring to public opinion!
Yeah me too, I thought you were implying that the balance the government was trying to find was between the opinions in different sections of society (the people saying 'we are doing too much' and the people saying 'we aren't doing enough').
The issue I have with the current approach is that it doesn't take into account that not everybody has the same risk of catching it badly. I have staff who really should be avoiding the workplace right now and can't because the organisation won't deviate from the rigid government advice and operate on a case by case basis.
There is, as always, a critical point where public opinion will shift and everybody will forget that they themselves were saying 'why are we bothering, it's just flu' a few days before. I even heard the classic at a meeting yesterday, 'we have lived through world wars before!', I tried asking her which one she lived through but we swiftly moved on.
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Taunton Blue Genie
The government consulting experts and evaluating the health and economic benefits and disbenefits makes more sense to me than deferring to public opinion!
But isn't this the Government that were warning us off experts a while ago? What with Gluey taking the "establishment" line in this thread, things aren't half getting confusing lately!
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Eric Cartman
I am not a reporter. Care to answer my question, why do government farts smell so sweet to you these days?
Is this a serious question or are we still in your hypothetical world of make believe?
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But isn't this the Government that were warning us off experts a while ago? What with Gluey taking the "establishment" line in this thread, things aren't half getting confusing lately!
I had established very early on that the Steele dossier and Trump Russia collusion were a hoax, so I haven't deviated at all. I look at the merits of each case individually, and so far I am not seeing any big red flags in the US & UK government Coronavirus response. I'll let you know if I do though.
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Wales-Bales
I had established very early on that the Steele dossier and Trump Russia collusion were a hoax, so I haven't deviated at all. I look at the merits of each case individually, and so far I am not seeing any big red flags in the US & UK government Coronavirus response. I'll let you know if I do though.
This is where I say whoosh isn't it?