A challenge to Organ Morgan

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

For his own sake, I'm putting him on ignore.

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Thank **** for small mercies. Some good news at last.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

It's his defence mechanism. In response to anyone holding a viewpoint different from his own, his primitive reaction is to attack the person rather than the viewpoint. Once you establish that, you realise you're dealing with little more than an emotionally immature fifty-something.

For his own sake, I'm putting him on ignore.

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Organ is going to be really upset this morning.....

What was it that brought this drastic action about ? I might have to copy it.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Oh come on, you know as well as I do that I've been called far, far worse on here on countless occasions over the years. Being dismissed as gullible is tame by comparison. Being mistaken for CCFCC3PO was far more offensive.

The truth is that, to some extent, I am an unquestioning drone where Covid-19 is concerned. To be honest, I haven't studied the situation in any great detail at all. I've watched a couple of documentaries, a few press conferences and the 6 o'clock news most days, read a handful of articles on the BBC news pages and that's about it. The only other information I've been getting is from a couple of friends who live on the banks of Lake Como in Lombardy, Northern Italy, and have therefore been in a full-on lockdown situation since the first week of March.

As I've said before on several occasions, my perspective on this situation is extremely simple. I believe we are currently experiencing the kind of pandemic that scientists and medical experts have been warning us about for decades, and the authorities all over the world are attempting to deal with it as best they can while making numerous mistakes and errors of judgement.

The irony is that, from what you have said, it seems you're following the lockdown protocols more studiously than I am.

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Barrie Web ?

There is a guy who posts on here and purports to be debating thE subject at the highest level , with like minded scientists.
If you need any info he posts under the name of CCFCC3PO ….

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Barrie?

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Yeah, Barrie's an old friend. Him and his missus are lovely people.

If you're going to get quarantined anywhere, you could do a lot worse than the banks of Lake Como.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Organ is going to be really upset this morning.....

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It's me he's put on ignore (or so he claims), not Organ.

It's great news if true.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Yeah, Barrie's an old friend of mine. Him and his missus are lovely people.

If you're going to get quarantined anywhere, you could do a lot worse than the banks of Lake Como.

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I know Barrie from his yellow pages days, he is a character .His missus is a lovely lady . His stories on facebook are quite amusing at the moment
Had a fabulous 5 days in one of his apartments a couple of years ago . Beautiful part of the world .
Crazy drivers though .

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It's me he's put on ignore (or so he claims), not Organ.

It's great news if true.

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Does anyone know him ?
They better check on him , not like him to be away from his computer for any length of time when we all need his superior advice...
Must be on the scientists forum gleaning information for the stupid football people. top guy....

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Does anyone know him ?
They better check on him , not like him to be away from his computer for any length of time when we all need his superior advice...
Must be on the scientists forum gleaning information for the stupid football people. top guy....

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He's probably talking to all the top professors he knows trying to find ways to put all this really deep meaningful information into simple words we ordinary mortals will understand, so we can then acknowledge his superior interlect.

Or maybe:hehe: he's on the gin somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I know Barrie from his yellow pages days, he is a character . His missus is a lovely lady . His stories on facebook are quite amusing at the moment . Had a fabulous 5 days in one of his apartments a couple of years ago . Beautiful part of the world . Crazy drivers though .

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I've never gone over there despite numerous invitations. Stupid really, as my partner loves Italy. It's something I'll have to remedy when this thing passes. Seen Barrie a few times in recent years when he's come back here for games and visits, but I haven't seen Julie for ages. Definitely something to sort out soon, they're great people.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Apologies for the delay in answering: this is my first visit here since Thursday afternoon. I don't appreciate being described as a raving loon as you chose to further down this thread so I'll respond in kind and if you take umbrage then tough titty. As for your requirement that I be limited to six paragraphs: go and feck yourself. Separate from this Covid-19 affair I had always regarded you as an eminently sensible contributor and Bobsy Wilson's only worthy rival as the message board's numero uno concerning football knowledge. I'm perfectly fine with you or anyone else questioning what I believe is the true purpose of this Covid-19 psyop. I tend to object to those who don't do so civilly.

I didn't think that post of mine you have quoted parts of required further clarification as anyone with internet access can easily discover that never before have governments shut down large areas of their economies to combat the spread of a disease. It was packed with facts and figures all of which were accurate that any calculator would have confirmed. You have years and years of form for adoring statistics. Prior to submitting that message I knew from reading some of your prior posts re Covid-19 that you had totally bought into the hysteria fomented by corporate media and the UK government. Hence I was restrained and rather more polite when describing you as incredibly gullible instead of someone who has been conned into being reduced to a fearful halfwit who preferred to remain so in spite of the welter of information to the contrary which anyone can determine by the numbers is indeed a massively exaggerated threat.

I referenced twice before in threads here what I'm about to again to illustrate why I believe the UK lockdowns are mystifying when not viewed through a lens of serving an entirely different agenda to that of saving British lives (I.e. stripping us of our civil liberties, decimating small businesses, ensuring joblessness figures go through the roof, creating an atmosphere of increasing despair, etc, etc). No-one who clicked the link I'm about to include again appeared to comprehend the enormity of the information found there at a UK government site relaying its own official Covid-19 guidance.

I'll bold the words found there beneath for the benefit of those wary of clicking on links.

My interpretation of them - as succinctly as I can - sometime in January Covid-19 was considered a HCID (high consequence infectious disease). On March 19 Covid-19 was no longer deemed a HCID and its threat level was lowered. Between January and March 19 no pubs, restaurants, etc, were ordered to close nor were any of the other impositions we have been subjected to post that date were implemented between January and March 19.

To me (and I daresay anyone else you regard as crackers), what has been instituted since then has been counter-intuitive to an absolutely breathtaking degree. Perhaps you can rationalise an alternative viewpoint to help me understand why what should have been done before March 19 wasn't, and why they were rolled out afterwards when the last bullet point below suggests restrictions would only be introduced had Covid-19 remained as a HCID. Something else my crazed brain cannot understand is the government says the transmission of Covid-19 occurs mostly through people coughing and sneezing. I get that the masks most people wear are crap and do little to halt the spread of droplets. Nevertheless, many governments, the Chinese amongst them (whose declared Covid-19 deaths are below 4k after placing 600 million of their citizens under lockdown), deemed the wearing of them in public as both mandatory and essential. Tell me why Blighty's hasn't because to me it would have been amongst the first of the restrictions imposed had it been genuinely concerned about its spread and to help protect the health of everyone and particularly those adjudged most at risk.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...-diseases-hcid

Status of COVID-19

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.

Cases of COVID-19 are no longer managed by HCID treatment centres only. All healthcare workers managing possible and confirmed cases should follow the updated national infection and prevention (IPC) guidance for COVID-19, which supersedes all previous IPC guidance for COVID-19. This guidance includes instructions about different personal protective equipment (PPE) ensembles that are appropriate for different clinical scenarios.

Definition of HCID

In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

- acute infectious disease
- typically has a high case-fatality rate
- may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
- often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
- ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
- requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

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It's Nazi eugenics butt put forward by the right wing English Conservative and Unionist party, survival of the fittest and all that kill the old and weak off, they have run down the health service in the UK so much that we are now second tier and they know we could not fight it like other countries as we don't have the resources, the Chinese isolated infected people, proper isolated, proper testing got the result in 4 hours and took them from the family unit and treated them best they could (no cure) what our lot does is tell people to stay at home - potentially infecting the whole family unit, they hit on the herd immunity thing as our health service is so run down they probably thought they could do nothing else only to realise after a few weeks our hospitals would be overrun with dead and dying, projections were quarter to a third of a million UK citizens dead so they tried to change course but they lost weeks and probably still more deaths than needed to be, Churchill a man my family would not have his name mentioned in the house was said to be a fan of eugenics just like Hitler and Boris is a big fan of Churchill.
Hey Boris Glyndwr came above Churchill in the most influential people of the millennium poll put that in your gob and smoke it.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

It's Nazi eugenics butt put forward by the right wing English Conservative and Unionist party, survival of the fittest and all that kill the old and weak off, they have run down the health service in the UK so much that we are now second tier and they know we could not fight it like other countries as we don't have the resources, the Chinese isolated infected people, proper isolated, proper testing got the result in 4 hours and took them from the family unit and treated them best they could (no cure) what our lot does is tell people to stay at home - potentially infecting the whole family unit, they hit on the herd immunity thing as our health service is so run down they probably thought they could do nothing else only to realise after a few weeks our hospitals would be overrun with dead and dying, projections were quarter to half to a third of a million UK citizens dead so they tried to change course but they lost weeks and probably still more deaths than needed to be, Churchill a man my family would not have his name mentioned in the house was said to be a fan of eugenics just like Hitler and Boris is a big fan of Churchill.
Hey Boris Glyndwr came above Churchill in the most influential people of the millennium poll but that in your gob and smoke it.

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And breath...

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

And breath...

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That's my reply to Organ (who ever he is), do you still think I'm Organ sh*g ?

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Originally Posted by trampie09

That's my reply to Organ (who ever he is), do you still think I'm Organ sh*g ?

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Two browsers, two accounts... plausible...

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

Two browsers, two accounts... plausible...

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I take it you have never posted on the site's I have used until I get banned by various cabal's then, otherwise you might have heard of my username.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

I take it you have never posted on the site's I have used until I get banned by various cabal's then, otherwise you might have heard of my username.

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Conspiracy theory mixed with "Don't you know who I am"?

Sure you're not Organ?

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

Conspiracy theory mixed with "Don't you know who I am"?

Sure you're not Organ?

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He's not. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

Conspiracy theory mixed with "Don't you know who I am"?

Sure you're not Organ?

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I'm sure but it seems like you are not Ronnie Bird.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

I'm sure but it seems like you are not Ronnie Bird.

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You're right, I'm not...

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

He's not. :thumbup:

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Don't tell me you're another one of the sheeple believing his MSM claim to not be Organ???

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

Don't tell me you're another one of the sheeple believing his MSM claim to not be Organ???

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He's not, if that makes me a sheeple then i'll get over it rapidly :thumbup: incidentally when i used to wonder about shit like this I always thought Lawnmower was OM. :hehe: in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter who's who does it ?

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

He's not, if that makes me a sheeple then i'll get over it rapidly :thumbup: incidentally when i used to wonder about shit like this I always thought Lawnmower was OM. :hehe: in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter who's who does it ?

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Now you mention it, not really.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Oh come on, you know as well as I do that I've been called far, far worse on here on countless occasions over the years. Being dismissed as gullible is tame by comparison. Being mistaken for CCFCC3PO was far more offensive.

The truth is that, to some extent, I am an unquestioning drone where Covid-19 is concerned. To be honest, I haven't studied the situation in any great detail at all. I've watched a couple of documentaries, a few press conferences and the 6 o'clock news most days, read a handful of articles on the BBC news pages and that's about it. The only other information I've been getting is from a couple of friends who live on the banks of Lake Como in Lombardy, Northern Italy, and have therefore been in a full-on lockdown situation since the first week of March.

As I've said before on several occasions, my perspective on this situation is extremely simple. I believe we are currently experiencing the kind of pandemic that scientists and medical experts have been warning us about for decades, and the authorities all over the world are attempting to deal with it as best they can while making numerous mistakes and errors of judgement.

The irony is that, from what you have said, it seems you're following the lockdown protocols more studiously than I am.

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Credit to you for acknowledging you haven't spent a great deal of time researching COVID-19. I have paid a lot of attention to it and to previous pandemics. It's why I knew the death/infection numbers for Spanish and Asian Flu here and elsewhere, how many croak the world over from seasonal flu strains, which are also contagious viruses, that kill more people each year than COVID-19 has thus far, and that none of them were combated by closing down large areas of economic activity, social distancing and all the rest of what we're witnessing.

Re your final paragraph, I agree it was ironic. I didn't abide out of fear of contracting a virus or the small risk of being questioned by a copper; I just didn't have the need to. Yesterday morning I did venture five miles to the capital to purchase an item which I couldn't source locally. It was a disheartening experience and also surprising as I hadn't realised the extent of the precautions. I was most shocked by the sight of public seating covered in tape to deter people from resting on them.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Yeah yeah blah blah, am I wrong in what I said?

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You're a troll, pure and simple. Even if you weren't I'd struggle to engage with you as you never have anything to add that's insightful.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Credit to you for acknowledging you haven't spent a great deal of time researching COVID-19. I have paid a lot of attention to it and to previous pandemics. It's why I knew the death/infection numbers for Spanish and Asian Flu here and elsewhere, how many croak the world over from seasonal flu strains, which are also contagious viruses, that kill more people each year than COVID-19 has thus far, and that none of them were combated by closing down large areas of economic activity, social distancing and all the rest of what we're witnessing.

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You've done all this research yet still haven't clicked that the death rate isn't the big issue with covid?

When was the last strain of flu that killed this many people and overwhelmed the hospitals in the UK?

When was the last strain of flu with an infection rate so bad that new hospitals had to be set up in the UK because all ICU beds were full?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Either you always live as a miserly hermit (possible) or the primary reason you have stayed home for weeks is faithfully observing the lockdown.

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You're another troll who cannot let prior disputes go because your ego is too precious and fragile. You're an overgrown kid. The miserly hermit comment marks a new low in your sulk-fest.

For the record, I've posted under this moniker for circa 12 years. Before then I was Balderdash. Have never used any others. Organ Morgan relates to harmonicas (mouth organs, which I play and own many types of) and not Thomas' Under Milk Wood character. Trampie further up this thread has a similar writing style to I and I'm not surprised some have made a wrong conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

You've done all this research yet still haven't clicked that the death rate isn't the big issue with covid?

When was the last strain of flu that killed this many people and overwhelmed the hospitals in the UK?

When was the last strain of flu with an infection rate so bad that new hospitals had to be set up in the UK because all ICU beds were full?

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I've said to you at least twice prior that I do not believe UK hospitals are overwhelmed. I haven't been inside one - have you? - and unlike you I don't readily believe much of what corporate media tells me is true. Again, 11 million Britons were infected in 1918 with Spanish Flu and the same again in 1957 with Asian Flu. You tell me how the UK economy remained open in those years and the health service managed to treat 11 million but somehow are overwhelmed with 100K COVID-19 cases currently, which is less than 1% of 11 million.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I don't know who is at the end of this farce. Organ or the people entertaining it. Mind you, i suppose entertainment is at a premium for some at the moment.

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I'll make a new thread at the Politics forum this afternoon which will be titled Plandemic.

It will be for the benefit of people like you who have been thoroughly suckered by this gigantic hoax. It's not a hoax in the sense that people are not dying with COVID-19. The hoax entails blowing the threat out of all proportion and by the restrictions used to contain it.

It will include two links:- one to a WHO page, another to a UK government one. I'm sure that even you amongst many others who simply refuse to consider you have been fed tons of arrant bullshit will have an extremely hard time reconciling what is stated at those links.

I'd create it at this forum but I made a promise to another user not to start a COVID-19 one here.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I've said to you at least twice prior that I do not believe UK hospitals are overwhelmed. I haven't been inside one - have you? - and unlike you I don't readily believe much of what corporate media tells me is true. Again, 11 million Britons were infected in 1918 with Spanish Flu and the same again in 1957 with Asian Flu. You tell me how the UK economy remained open in those years and the health service managed to treat 11 million but somehow are overwhelmed with 100K COVID-19 cases currently, which is less than 1% of 11 million.

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My aunt is an ICU nurse and I have 2 friends who are doctors I can tell you hospitals are overwhelmed.

For your second points it’s because covid has a higher hospitalisation rate. That’s one of the reasons why it’s so bad.

What is the corporate media telling me? The statistics are there for all to see, you don’t have to see it through the media. The thing is you don’t seem to be willing to accept any fact that goes against your view. How can anyone ever discuss anything with you? As soon as something comes up that doesn’t back you up you call it spin or a hoax.

I know doctors, I know people who’ve had covid and I have colleagues who’ve lost people due to covid. It’s all really happening, maybe it’s harder to see if you live in some remote village and haven’t had reason to leave your house for 6 weeks but for me the effects of covid are very easy to see and very real.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You're another troll who cannot let prior disputes go because your ego is too precious and fragile. You're an overgrown kid. The miserly hermit comment marks a new low in your sulk-fest.

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lardy's a meanie, a STINKY MEANIE :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I've said to you at least twice prior that I do not believe UK hospitals are overwhelmed. I haven't been inside one - have you? - and unlike you I don't readily believe much of what corporate media tells me is true. Again, 11 million Britons were infected in 1918 with Spanish Flu and the same again in 1957 with Asian Flu. You tell me how the UK economy remained open in those years and the health service managed to treat 11 million but somehow are overwhelmed with 100K COVID-19 cases currently, which is less than 1% of 11 million.

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How much of a hermit are you that you can’t see all this going on? Maybe you should get off the Internet a bit and talk to some real people. This isn’t all going on in a far off place, it’s all happening in the real world right in front of you.

How can you not know 1 person who works in a hospital?

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Originally Posted by lardy

lardy's a meanie, a STINKY MEANIE :cry: :cry: :cry:

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After a period of reflection, I will concede you have a valid point - I'm as tight as feck!

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It will be for the benefit of people like you who have been thoroughly suckered by this gigantic hoax. It's not a hoax in the sense that people are not dying with COVID-19. The hoax entails blowing the threat out of all proportion and by the restrictions used to contain it.

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Did you see the figures released yesterday relating to the large and disproportionate number of all deaths during the last few weeks? If so, what did you make of them?

Link here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52278825

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

How much of a hermit are you that you can’t see all this going on? Maybe you should get off the Internet a bit and talk to some real people. This isn’t all going on in a far off place, it’s all happening in the real world right in front of you.

How can you not know 1 person who works in a hospital?

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Let's say I know one person who works in a hospital. Would his or her experiences where they work be indicative of all other hospitals? I ask because I know you have a simplistic outlook.

Be sure to catch my Plandemic thread later today. It will be dumbed-down to an extent that you will be able to comprehend it. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

How much of a hermit are you that you can’t see all this going on? Maybe you should get off the Internet a bit and talk to some real people. This isn’t all going on in a far off place, it’s all happening in the real world right in front of you.

How can you not know 1 person who works in a hospital?

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I have a friend who is an occupational therapist. Not on the front line at all, but each day when she comes home from work, she sterilises the car, takes all her clothes off inside the front door, throws them in the washing machine and has a long hot shower.

Then she says hello to her young children and hugs them.

She's totally unconnected to the really horrible stuff that goes on in the hospital. It's sad that someone needs to see something with their own eyes to believe it. Although I genuinely hope Organ Morgan doesn't see it, because that would mean he's become seriously ill.

Yes I agree I hope Organ is staying safe at least.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Let's say I know one person who works in a hospital. Would his or her experiences where they work be indicative of all other hospitals? I ask because I know you have a simplistic outlook.

Be sure to catch my Plandemic thread later today. It will be dumbed-down to an extent that you will be able to comprehend it. :hehe:

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I live a few miles from the excel would you like me to go and take some photos for you? I know someone who was involved in setting it up and will be involved in working there while it's needed. It's all real mate, maybe there is a ploy to use it to crash the economy (although that seems like a very simplistic conspiracy tbh), but how bad the virus is and how it's affecting hopsitals and hospital workers is not a hoax or an exaggeration, it's real.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Credit to you for acknowledging you haven't spent a great deal of time researching COVID-19. I have paid a lot of attention to it and to previous pandemics. It's why I knew the death/infection numbers for Spanish and Asian Flu here and elsewhere, how many croak the world over from seasonal flu strains, which are also contagious viruses, that kill more people each year than COVID-19 has thus far, and that none of them were combated by closing down large areas of economic activity, social distancing and all the rest of what we're witnessing.

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Isn't the section I've highlighted the most pertinent? As far as I can make out, we're not anywhere near the end of this global pandemic, so isn't quoting seasonal numbers of deaths from other illnesses a bit pointless at this stage? The consensus among scientists and medical experts seems to be that Covid-19 is highly infectious and allowing it to spread unchecked would be catastrophic. I'm not sure I understand why you and others won't acknowledge that relatively simple notion. It's not about the numbers that have died thus far and it never has been. It's about attempting to halt the progress of the virus and therefore limiting the amount of deaths and the strain on worldwide health services.

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Originally Posted by lardy

I have a friend who is an occupational therapist. Not on the front line at all, but each day when she comes home from work, she sterilises the car, takes all her clothes off inside the front door, throws them in the washing machine and has a long hot shower.

Then she says hello to her young children and hugs them.

She's totally unconnected to the really horrible stuff that goes on in the hospital. It's sad that someone needs to see something with their own eyes to believe it. Although I genuinely hope Organ Morgan doesn't see it, because that would mean he's become seriously ill.

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Yeah my Grandad has heart issues and really needs to be hospital at the moment but can't because of how dangerous it is for an old person to be there.

My colleague has a graveside funeral for his mother in law today, only a small number of them are allowed to attend and they weren't allowed to see her at all while she was ill and dying.

I find it crazy that someone could ignore all the very real evidence of how bad this is. And it's this bad while all the restrictions are in place, I can only imagine how bad it would be otherwise.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Isn't the section I've highlighted the most pertinent? As far as I can make out, we're not anywhere near the end of this global pandemic, so isn't quoting seasonal numbers of deaths from other illnesses a bit pointless at this stage? The consensus among scientists and medical experts seems to be that Covid-19 is highly infectious and allowing it to spread unchecked would be catastrophic. I'm not sure I understand why you and others won't acknowledge that relatively simple notion. It's not about the numbers that have died thus far and it never has been. It's about attempting to halt the progress of the virus and therefore limiting the amount of deaths and the strain on worldwide health services.

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He has ignored that question for weeks becasue it undermines his whole theory.