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Scotland and Wales have handled this crisis better than England and that is not bashing England for the sake of it, the devolved Government's with less overall power IMHO have done better than the Westminster UK Government has for England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Better than England or better than parts of England, like London?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
In what way has Drakeford done better?
He hasn't told anyone to shake hands with virus sufferers?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Repeating yourself this evening, eh? Need more material.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
When did Johnson tell others to shake hands btw?
Why do you think Boris followed Nicola's lead ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
All about stopping the spread of the virus, England has no jury trials either after following others.
It might have been the Welsh that did the education thing first, the Welsh definitely did something first that preempted the UK Government.
Social distancing laws, announcing tough lockdown measures and now putting forward a framework to get out of lockdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
You're making assumptions about cause and effect. Pretty definite schools was a UK decision, which Sturgeon deliberately and cynically gave out early. Maybe you can explain why she'd do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Stopping the spread of the virus, no, it's about slowing the rate the virus spreads.
I'd be interested to know what Welsh gov did first, if any.
Laws, eh? That's an interesting view... lawmaking isn't to the best of my knowledge a devolved issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Framework for getting out of lockdown is almost certainly an agreed UK policy being leaked early for political capital.
I've just found the info and I was right, the Welsh announced school closures first on 18 March, followed by Sturgeon and the Northern Irish then last of all to fall line was Boris.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Not doubting you, trampie, can you pass a link to that info ta.
Announced by Mark Drakeford on 3 April and came into law on 7 April, requiring employers in Wales to comply with the two metre social distancing rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Hmm, again not sure lawmaking is a devolved power in Wales.
he did a good job as mayor of London...apart from buying a water cannon !Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Where’s that Russian Report :tumbleweed:
There are a lot of things you are not sure about, lol, never mind old Trampie puts you straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
https://www.politico.eu/article/bori...rojects-redux/Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...age-not-enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
You only need to go to the 'live feed' last update of the day at 18.26 entitled 'Evening summary' and there it is at the start of the first paragraph.
Ah the gardian update. that might explain why I missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
All that says is it was announced first. You're taking that to mean Wales made a decision first and everyone else had to follow... whereas it's almost certain it was a UK decision, some nations decided to reveal it earlier than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
No he did notQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Why is that "almost certain"Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
You said Sturgeon gave the information out early to look good, but the Welsh announced school closures before she did.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Education is a devolved matter in Wales and Scotland so they can make their own decisions.
Whilst education is devolved I find it hard to believe one nation decided off it's own back to close and then in an incredibly short period of time three other nations then decided to follow suit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Hate to break it to you, trampie but more people listen to Sturgeon than Drakeford... and gets more media coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
The conservatives were very reluctant to close the schools, there were various statements saying that in italy it made things worse because kids went to stay with the grandparents etc. and it would have a disastrous effect on business.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
I didn't hear such statements from Wales or Scotland
It seems very unlikely to me that they all reached the same decision, but wales closed on the one day and Boris thought lets give the kids an extra couple of days in school for some reason
England is looking to follow what the others do, I put a list up with dates - stopping public gatherings and closing courts they eventually followed suit but many many days later, after those closures perhaps they learnt their lesson and that following Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland was the way for them to go as perhaps they realised (and their press and some of their people told them) that they were clueless so when school closures were announced they were only some hours behind the others as the others in comparison to them seemed to have a plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Sturgeon has leadership skills, Boris doesn't, it looks like it's decided that Boris just follows Nicola, it's been noted by commentators and observers that Sturgeon is the de facto leader of the UK in this crisis.
So as the NHS is also devolved they can presumably take their own decisions on that too, so the Westminster government are not responsible of the lack of PPE, the failure ot hit targets and the slow rate of roll out of testing in Wales after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
It is the responsibility of evolved government and as you so rightly say they can make their own decisions.
Sturgeon is effectively the UK leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Felt for him when his naughty Home Secretary Nanny May took his big water gun from him , she should have at least allowed him to keep it and let him have at least one go on it ,maybe on those Greta demonstrators.
You're missing the point, as usual, when it comes to this subject. I'm criticising the devolved govts. as well as the UK govt. for their response to Covid-19. Just because the Welsh govt. response is better than the UK govt's, doesn't mean they get a free pass from criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
God help us ,sneaking out first from Cobra meetings and having an early press conference about the discussion of the day is really cleverQuote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Absolutely, quite right too, I feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Sturgeon was 4 days earlier than Boris as regards mass gatherings and 6 days earlier than Boris as regards stopping new jury trials, Arlene beat Nicola by a day as regards court cases, so no nipping out in front of the English in those cases as it took the English the best part of a week and a full week to get their act together.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Arf!Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
You really believe that trampie? When this is over, Salmond will be looking for vengeance.
Sturgeon doesn't even really want independence. At the moment, can blame England for everything... lose that, have to be accountable for own governance.
As an outside observer of the way the UK gov. Have managed this outbreak, I cannot see
Where they could have done anymore badly.
How anyone can defend them is mind boggling to me.
Without doubt thousands of lives have been lost due to thier inaction.
So so sad.
RubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
That really is complete nonsense, you know that don't butt. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
So it's her fault then?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
I've often struggled to understand why people on this messageboard seem shocked that a club in South Wales, an area which has voted overwhelmingly for a left wing party for almost 100 years, have a predominantly left wing fanbaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Wales have had full lawmaking powers in devolved areas since 2011Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is