Subs made a huge difference tonight

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Originally Posted by delmbox

"the delicate section of fans" says the guy upset by people criticising the manager

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Well you are coming across as delicate.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

"the delicate section of fans" says the guy upset by people criticising the manager

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Me upset :hehe:
Delm get off my back :hehe:

Morison is ruthless. And outspoken. No doubt about that. But I think he's fair. If he sees a problem, he deals with it sooner rather than later. Why give a player 45 minutes if it's obviously not working? He seems very analytical and I get the feeling he takes time to explain to the players what he's thinking. He criticized Joel Bagen for not being bold enough going forward and got a MOM display from him. And gave him credit for it. I think Morison is the most exciting thing to happen to the City in some time. I also think that if he had a Welsh accent this forum's attitude toward him would be very different. He's saved our season. We're in playoff form. He's made the best loan signings I can remember. Let's give the guy some credit.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Morison is ruthless. And outspoken. No doubt about that. But I think he's fair. If he sees a problem, he deals with it sooner rather than later. Why give a player 45 minutes if it's obviously not working? He seems very analytical and I get the feeling he takes time to explain to the players what he's thinking. He criticized Joel Bagen for not being bold enough going forward and got a MOM display from him. And gave him credit for it. I think Morison is the most exciting thing to happen to the City in some time. I also think that if he had a Welsh accent this forum's attitude toward him would be very different. He's saved our season. We're in playoff form. He's made the best loan signings I can remember. Let's give the guy some credit.

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Actually over the last five games we’re in automatic promotion form, four wins and a defeat, just behind Fulham’s four wins and a draw. Pretty impressive by anyone’s standard albeit over a short period.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Morison is ruthless. And outspoken. No doubt about that. But I think he's fair. If he sees a problem, he deals with it sooner rather than later. Why give a player 45 minutes if it's obviously not working? He seems very analytical and I get the feeling he takes time to explain to the players what he's thinking. He criticized Joel Bagen for not being bold enough going forward and got a MOM display from him. And gave him credit for it. I think Morison is the most exciting thing to happen to the City in some time. I also think that if he had a Welsh accent this forum's attitude toward him would be very different. He's saved our season. We're in playoff form. He's made the best loan signings I can remember. Let's give the guy some credit.

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Yes absolutely spot on. Excellent post.

As Sol Bamba says there is the issue of player welfare here too. People can say they get paid good money but that doesn’t mean they are immune from issues and feelings of other young people their age.

His approach is on a very thin edge between motivating and bullying. He needs to be careful.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

As Sol Bamba says there is the issue of player welfare here too. People can say they get paid good money but that doesn’t mean they are immune from issues and feelings of other young people their age.

His approach is on a very thin edge between motivating and bullying. He needs to be careful.

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As the old saying goes - give em enough rope.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Morison is ruthless. And outspoken. No doubt about that. But I think he's fair. If he sees a problem, he deals with it sooner rather than later. Why give a player 45 minutes if it's obviously not working? He seems very analytical and I get the feeling he takes time to explain to the players what he's thinking. He criticized Joel Bagen for not being bold enough going forward and got a MOM display from him. And gave him credit for it. I think Morison is the most exciting thing to happen to the City in some time. I also think that if he had a Welsh accent this forum's attitude toward him would be very different. He's saved our season. We're in playoff form. He's made the best loan signings I can remember. Let's give the guy some credit.

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I don't think anyone is questioning the results over the short term

But ruthless to me is playing with fire. He may overstep the mark, be consistently ruthless without cause, he may unsettle too many who require a arm around the shoulder more than a shouting.

Risky

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Morison is ruthless. And outspoken. No doubt about that. But I think he's fair. If he sees a problem, he deals with it sooner rather than later. Why give a player 45 minutes if it's obviously not working? He seems very analytical and I get the feeling he takes time to explain to the players what he's thinking. He criticized Joel Bagen for not being bold enough going forward and got a MOM display from him. And gave him credit for it. I think Morison is the most exciting thing to happen to the City in some time. I also think that if he had a Welsh accent this forum's attitude toward him would be very different. He's saved our season. We're in playoff form. He's made the best loan signings I can remember. Let's give the guy some credit.

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Agree with all of that. But it doesn't make it clever to stick the boot in to a player he's already humiliated. I've no issue with the substitution itself, in fact it's good to see a manager unafraid to do that.

I think Craig Bellamy and Aaron Ramsey might just edge out these recent loans, possibly even Eddie Newton from Chelsea?
They are however very good loan signings and Morison should be rightly applauded for this

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I think Craig Bellamy and Aaron Ramsey might just edge out these recent loans, possibly even Eddie Newton from Chelsea?
They are however very good loan signings and Morison should be rightly applauded for this

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Jason Koumas first loan

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Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad

Well you are coming across as delicate.

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I just don't think he comes across as very likeable that's all, it's not keeping me up at night :hehe:

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Originally Posted by stan butler

Me upset :hehe:
Delm get off my back :hehe:

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NEVER :hehe:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Jason Koumas first loan

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Gary O'Neill

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

Gary O'Neill

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Another good shout

I don't mind the early sub, if you read back through the match thread the first half the doom merchants were in overdrive, we were not playing well, even if Coventry weren't making any clear cut chances.

Whatever the intended strategy was - it wasn't working.
Mick would have waited until the 70th minute to make his first change, by which time the game would have been done and dusted, so to have recognised it wasn't working and decisively made changes to address that has to be applauded.

You do wonder what the original strategy was - I've seen it speculated that we wanted a very mobile front line to aggressively press the opposition and win the ball back high up. Whether that's true or not is anyones guess.

It wasn't good to see Watters cutting a lonely figure after he was taken off though.
I think it's fine to dig people out occasionally, as it can yield good results. But if it is constant without the reassurance in between you'll end up with a Mourihnio situation where he undermines and victimises certain players and eventually loses the respect of the team and results drop off as a result.

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Gary O'Neill

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That Harry Wilson fella blew a bit hot and cold, but he was quite useful on his day.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Another good shout

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Ryan Giles wasn’t too bad either.

Leon Barnett was hardly a spectacular loan signing, but he was just what we needed to get over the line in 12/13.

Bit of lecturey feel to the title of this article, but I think it’s a fair and balanced assessment.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...isons-23124849

Ramsey, O'Neil, Koumas, Bellamy etc are all great loan signings. Obviously. But none of them had the impact that Doughty, Drameh, Hugill, Ikpeazu, and Doyle are having en masse. He also brought back Wintle.

I trust Morison to build a team this summer. By hook or by crook. Can you say the same about any manager since Malky? And even he had money to spend.

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Morison is ruthless. And outspoken. No doubt about that. But I think he's fair. If he sees a problem, he deals with it sooner rather than later. Why give a player 45 minutes if it's obviously not working? He seems very analytical and I get the feeling he takes time to explain to the players what he's thinking. He criticized Joel Bagen for not being bold enough going forward and got a MOM display from him. And gave him credit for it. I think Morison is the most exciting thing to happen to the City in some time. I also think that if he had a Welsh accent this forum's attitude toward him would be very different. He's saved our season. We're in playoff form. He's made the best loan signings I can remember. Let's give the guy some credit.

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He may not have a Welsh accent but he is a an ex Welsh International

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Agree with all of that. But it doesn't make it clever to stick the boot in to a player he's already humiliated. I've no issue with the substitution itself, in fact it's good to see a manager unafraid to do that.

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Also an early tactical substitution highlights failure in the original line-up. He deserves as much criticism as he does praise. If people on here were even saying Watters isn't up to it, you have to wonder why he picked him in the first place!

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

He may not have a Welsh accent but he is a an ex Welsh International

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Just like Vinny Jones :hehe:

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Ramsey, O'Neil, Koumas, Bellamy etc are all great loan signings. Obviously. But none of them had the impact that Doughty, Drameh, Hugill, Ikpeazu, and Doyle are having en masse. He also brought back Wintle.

I trust Morison to build a team this summer. By hook or by crook. Can you say the same about any manager since Malky? And even he had money to spend.

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I think there's a fair bit of recency bias in that, also they were often the only loan signings! Ramsey was brilliant when he came back, Koumas was an absolute joke and Bellamy was Bellamy. O'Neil and Inamoto were very good, shame Mandaric didn't let us buy O'Neil after Redknapp agreed. Koumas is the best loan signing though, that was the best single season from any City player in my lifetime.

Was Danny Hill a loan signing? I seem to remember him being quality but my mind isn't what it used to be

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I think there's a fair bit of recency bias in that, also they were often the only loan signings! Ramsey was brilliant when he came back, Koumas was an absolute joke and Bellamy was Bellamy. O'Neil and Inamoto were very good, shame Mandaric didn't let us buy O'Neil after Redknapp agreed. Koumas is the best loan signing though, that was the best single season from any City player in my lifetime.

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Make your mind up? :shrug:

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Make your mind up? :shrug:

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It's a colloquial way of saying he was amazing

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Was Danny Hill a loan signing? I seem to remember him being quality but my mind isn't what it used to be

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Loan first time we had him. Then second time permanent. He move to Oxford for a short spell in between.

I liked him, decent footballer.

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It's a colloquial way of saying he was amazing

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Like that is bad, meaning it’s good

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Make your mind up? :shrug:

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I thought that to :hehe:

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Morison is ruthless. And outspoken. No doubt about that. But I think he's fair. If he sees a problem, he deals with it sooner rather than later. Why give a player 45 minutes if it's obviously not working? He seems very analytical and I get the feeling he takes time to explain to the players what he's thinking. He criticized Joel Bagen for not being bold enough going forward and got a MOM display from him. And gave him credit for it. I think Morison is the most exciting thing to happen to the City in some time. I also think that if he had a Welsh accent this forum's attitude toward him would be very different. He's saved our season. We're in playoff form. He's made the best loan signings I can remember. Let's give the guy some credit.

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I had to look up the word hyperbole because I swear it's not enough to describe what I've just read.

He's had plenty of praise for the results but we've only played 25% of the matches left this season since the new signings. Look at the fixture list and measure us by the scalps we've taken from top teams at the end of the season before we start burning incense to the shrine of Morison.

Out of the 5 we've played, Forest is the biggest win for me. We still have to play Derby twice. I want to see what those two matches throw up because they're going to be juicy encounters against a side managed by Rooney, another Rookie. Please can we be careful about projecting form on the basis of so few matches? Plus, 4 out of 5 sounds great on paper but with 75% of matches yet to play it's way too early to be going this overboard.

Why not wait until the end of the season? Is that too much to ask?

I'll not beat this drum any longer because I'm starting to bore myself now but all this 'tough love, 'kick up the arse', 'tells it how it is, 'outspoken', 'ruthless' stuff is a smokescreen. I've been on the receiving end of all that sh*t at various times throughout my life and in every other working environment, it's called bullying. Always has been, always will be. But football seems to get a free pass. Morison gets a free pass. Well it'll never happen from me.

I'll measure Morison at the end of the season by both results and whether he learns to take ownership and acknowledge he's responsible. Right now, to me. he's a 38 hot-head in a top job he doesn't deserve. I want to see him earn it.

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Yeah - he was BAD

Obviously, that should have read 38-year old hot head in my last post.....:facepalm:

Edit: Please can we also not re-write the history books and scratch the performances before the signings too because they are still valid within context.

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I had to look up the word hyperbole because I swear it's not enough to describe what I've just read.

He's had plenty of praise for the results but we've only played 25% of the matches left this season since the new signings. Look at the fixture list and measure us by the scalps we've taken from top teams at the end of the season before we start burning incense to the shrine of Morison.

Out of the 5 we've played, Forest is the biggest win for me. We still have to play Derby twice. I want to see what those two matches throw up because they're going to be juicy encounters against a side managed by Rooney, another Rookie. Please can we be careful about projecting form on the basis of so few matches? Plus, 4 out of 5 sounds great on paper but with 75% of matches yet to play it's way too early to be going this overboard.

Why not wait until the end of the season? Is that too much to ask?

I'll not beat this drum any longer because I'm starting to bore myself now but all this 'tough love, 'kick up the arse', 'tells it how it is, 'outspoken', 'ruthless' stuff is a smokescreen. I've been on the receiving end of all that sh*t at various times throughout my life and in every other working environment, it's called bullying. Always has been, always will be. But football seems to get a free pass. Morison gets a free pass. Well it'll never happen from me.

I'll measure Morison at the end of the season by both results and whether he learns to take ownership and acknowledge he's responsible. Right now, to me. he's a 38 hot-head in a top job he doesn't deserve. I want to see him earn it.

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You should practice what you preach. You wrote him off weeks ago as a manager and a person.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I had to look up the word hyperbole because I swear it's not enough to describe what I've just read.

He's had plenty of praise for the results but we've only played 25% of the matches left this season since the new signings. Look at the fixture list and measure us by the scalps we've taken from top teams at the end of the season before we start burning incense to the shrine of Morison.

Out of the 5 we've played, Forest is the biggest win for me. We still have to play Derby twice. I want to see what those two matches throw up because they're going to be juicy encounters against a side managed by Rooney, another Rookie. Please can we be careful about projecting form on the basis of so few matches? Plus, 4 out of 5 sounds great on paper but with 75% of matches yet to play it's way too early to be going this overboard.

Why not wait until the end of the season? Is that too much to ask?

I'll not beat this drum any longer because I'm starting to bore myself now but all this 'tough love, 'kick up the arse', 'tells it how it is, 'outspoken', 'ruthless' stuff is a smokescreen. I've been on the receiving end of all that sh*t at various times throughout my life and in every other working environment, it's called bullying. Always has been, always will be. But football seems to get a free pass. Morison gets a free pass. Well it'll never happen from me.

I'll measure Morison at the end of the season by both results and whether he learns to take ownership and acknowledge he's responsible. Right now, to me. he's a 38 hot-head in a top job he doesn't deserve. I want to see him earn it.

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Results against the top teams with millions of pounds worth of players is not really a fair way to judge us

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Results against the top teams with millions of pounds worth of players is not really a fair way to judge us

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OK. So, now I am really confused. How do we judge him then Stan? Against the sh*t teams? I'm not having a go mate I just think we're in danger of forever making excuses if we, literally, keep shifting the goalposts.

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You should practice what you preach. You wrote him off weeks ago as a manager and a person.

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....he pounced. Again. Take that CN. You unbeliever.

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....he pounced. Again. Take that CN. You unbeliever.

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Don’t you fall into the acronym trap, who or what the f*ck is a CN? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Don’t you fall into the acronym trap, who or what the f*ck is a CN? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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When you come to one of my roll-playing parties Mr P, you'll find out! :wink: