England’s first ever red warning for extreme heat on Monday and Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Yeah, records have only been collated for around 140 years, so they're almost meaningless. After all, we've all been alive for a lot longer than that, haven't we?

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I can't believe you don't have this Lither bloke on ignore. And his suspected alter ago. I have to check with JR Hartley about that. He's the expert.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It's a point of interest, quite obviously. Assuming the forecasts are accurate, I reckon the highest temperatures in the UK during our lifetimes would be considered a noteworthy event, but perhaps you think otherwise.

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The temperature is higher than average , however, it’s not prolonged as in past summers , and we are not having reservoirs baking dry , or hosepipe bans like in previous summers.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The temperature is higher than average , however, it’s not prolonged as in past summers , and we are not having reservoirs baking dry , or hosepipe bans like in previous summers.

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But this thread is about a weather warning for an extremely high temperature. There's a whole list of things that aren't happening.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I can't believe you don't have this Lither bloke on ignore. And his suspected alter ago. I have to check with JR Hartley about that. He's the expert.

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Goslow is my bet.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The temperature is higher than average , however, it’s not prolonged as in past summers , and we are not having reservoirs baking dry , or hosepipe bans like in previous summers.

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We haven’t had any snow for a while either. Which is about as relevant.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Yeah, records have only been collated for around 140 years, so they're almost meaningless. After all, we've all been alive for a lot longer than that, haven't we?

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Wow 140 years. And how old is the planet?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Wow 140 years. And how old is the planet?

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At least 150 years by all accounts.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

We haven’t had any snow for a while either. Which is about as relevant.

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How is it not relevant , I would of thought a real heatwave would result in the aforementioned measures being implemented.The fact that they aren’t suggests that it’s a slow news day.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

How is it not relevant , I would of thought a real heatwave would result in the aforementioned measures being implemented.The fact that they aren’t suggests that it’s a slow news day.

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A heat wave has not been predicted. A few extremely hot days by UK standards have. Try to keep up.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

At least 150 years by all accounts.

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Do you know what he’s supposed to be arguing about here?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

A heat wave has not been predicted. A few extremely hot days by UK standards have. Try to keep up.

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That’s what I thought but reading this thread and not watching MSM I thought it was something more serious ,many thanks for the clarification, I was starting the sweat :hehe:

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

That’s what I thought but reading this thread and not watching MSM I thought it was something more serious ,many thanks for the clarification, I was starting the sweat:

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I’m delighted to have been able to put your mind at rest by confirming that a heat wave nobody predicted is not about to happen.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

That’s what I thought but reading this thread and not watching MSM I thought it was something more serious ,many thanks for the clarification, I was starting the sweat :hehe:

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Some years back someone got on Gunman's wick so much he dismissed him as a pissant.

It was amusing as feck. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Do you know what he’s supposed to be arguing about here?

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It's quite clear Bob. Because the earth may be warming up slightly over a very very very short period of time means very little in the bigger picture. 140 year old records alone are not evidence of man made global warming. Bit pointless citing said records. The earth has been, on average, something like 15⁰ warmer than the 2021 average during certain periods in the past.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

It's quite clear Bob. Because the earth may be warming up slightly over a very very very short period of time means very little in the bigger picture. 140 year old records alone are not evidence of man made global warming. Bit pointless citing said records. The earth has been, on average, something like 15⁰ warmer than the 2021 average during certain periods in the past.

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None of which makes what I said wrong.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

It's quite clear Bob. Because the earth may be warming up slightly over a very very very short period of time means very little in the bigger picture. 140 year old records alone are not evidence of man made global warming. Bit pointless citing said records. The earth has been, on average, something like 15⁰ warmer than the 2021 average during certain periods in the past.

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I didn’t want to get involved in this thread because you can’t convince people who don’t want to learn.

But this post shows how little a grasp you actually have of the whole thing and yet you make posts with such conviction without even having a basic grasp of the facts.

It’s all out there, I wrote my thesis on climate change and I’m afraid it’s very real and this is just the start of it. There are vast amounts of peer reviewed articles and journal citing genuine source data. If you were genuinely interested in understanding it you would go and read them instead of parroting this obviously shallow and incorrect grasp on the subject.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Do you know what he’s supposed to be arguing about here?

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He likes heat but he doesn't like jabs nor lockdowns?

This thread and others has had me thinking an awful lot about Douglas Adams recently. I mentioned Elon Musk in the 20mph thread and this one has had me thinking about the reference to people arguing over what colour the wheel should be in the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Universe. So with that in mind I though this was really interesting.

Days before Douglas Adams died, the Minor Planet Centre announced the naming of asteroid 18610 as Arthurdent. In 2005, the asteroid 25924 Douglasadams was named in his memory. More recently, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk revealed himself as a fan when he launched his Tesla Roadster into an elliptical heliocentric orbit, sending an important message (emblazoned on the car’s dashboard) to the galaxy: ‘Don't Panic!’.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Be careful you don't dehydrate. I went for a 10k run in the heat a couple of weeks back and it ****ed me. My vision was blurred and i couldn't piss for three days. As for the comparisons, well fair enough and all that, but the difference these days is that there is more awareness in every aspect of life, from work to general living, and it isn't a bad thing. Yes, it's overkill and sensationalist at times, but that's media for you now, it wants peoples attention now. I don't get this dismissive attitude towards warnings like this. Just because some of us old farts were killing ourselves in this heat in days gone by, it shouldn't be seen as enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that these warnings are complete bollocks. Be careful on your run, look for shade :thumbup:

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did 4 miles without any breaks in the end in the sunshine no problems :thumbup:

t shirt is drenched but roll on Tuesday night for some more !

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

He likes heat but he doesn't like jabs nor lockdowns?

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Tomorrow’s breakfast time weather forecast;-

“It looks like today is going to be the hottest day since records began in some parts of the country, but, don’t worry, there was this Thursday 10 million years ago that I’m told was far worse.”

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

I didn’t want to get involved in this thread because you can’t convince people who don’t want to learn.

But this post shows how little a grasp you actually have of the whole thing and yet you make posts with such conviction without even having a basic grasp of the facts.

It’s all out there, I wrote my thesis on climate change and I’m afraid it’s very real and this is just the start of it. There are vast amounts of peer reviewed articles and journal citing genuine source data. If you were genuinely interested in understanding it you would go and read them instead of parroting this obviously shallow and incorrect grasp on the subject.

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What is "just the start of it"? 34⁰ tempreture in Cardiff tomorrow? People are too easily swayed into moral panic.
You wrote an academic paper on climate change yet wrote two paragraphs without saying anything about climate change. other than "be afraid, be very afraid" lol

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

I didn’t want to get involved in this thread because you can’t convince people who don’t want to learn.

But this post shows how little a grasp you actually have of the whole thing and yet you make posts with such conviction without even having a basic grasp of the facts.

It’s all out there, I wrote my thesis on climate change and I’m afraid it’s very real and this is just the start of it. There are vast amounts of peer reviewed articles and journal citing genuine source data. If you were genuinely interested in understanding it you would go and read them instead of parroting this obviously shallow and incorrect grasp on the subject.

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A thesis? How very Marxist of you.

To those on here who don't believe in science have a read and see if you understand the complications of this. Some said here my language was too extreme, I'd argue it was nowhere near extreme enough. We are in big trouble no matter how much you want to bury your head in the sand.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/humani...s-and-animals/

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Tomorrow’s breakfast time weather forecast;-

“It looks like today is going to be the hottest day since records began in some parts of the country, but, don’t worry, there was this Thursday 10 million years ago that I’m told was far worse.”

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10 million years ago? The Romans were growing grapes in Britain during one of our many WARM periods.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

What is "just the start of it"? 34⁰ tempreture in Cardiff tomorrow? People are too easily swayed into moral panic.
You wrote an academic paper on climate change yet wrote two paragraphs without saying anything about climate change. other than "be afraid, be very afraid" lol

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Crop shortages, wild fires, rising sea levels, massive population displacement. All already happening.

Like I said if you want to talk with such conviction with just the most base understanding of a subject go for it. But there’s plenty of unbiased data and journals you can look at it you were generally interested in educating yourself.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

10 million years ago? The Romans were growing grapes in Britain during one of our many WARM periods.

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**** me it’s embarrassing how little you understand this.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

**** me it’s embarrassing how little you understand this.

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You're wasting your time mate. Kudos for trying but seriously, in this heat, watch your blood pressure. I have to.

Side Note: White Castle Vineyard based in Abergavenny has received two silver awards at the 2022 International Wine Challenge - one for its Sparkling white wine vintage 2018 and one for vintage 2019 Pinot Noir précoce reserve. What have the Romans ever done for us?

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Crop shortages, wild fires, rising sea levels, massive population displacement. All already happening.

Like I said if you want to talk with such conviction with just the most base understanding of a subject go for it. But there’s plenty of unbiased data and journals you can look at it you were generally interested in educating yourself.

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We've always had crop shortages, look at the 1930s dust bowl in America's Mid West. Sea Levels have always risen and fallen, always had wild fires. massive population displacement? From American wars maybe? And Soros funded NGOs encouraging migrants to come to Europe. You wrote an academic paper on climate change? What mark did you get?

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

You're wasting your time mate. Kudos for trying but seriously, in this heat, watch your blood pressure. I have to.

Side Note: White Castle Vineyard based in Abergavenny has received two silver awards at the 2022 International Wine Challenge - one for its Sparkling white wine vintage 2018 and one for vintage 2019 Pinot Noir précoce reserve. What have the Romans ever done for us?

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Lol

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We've always had crop shortages, look at the 1930s dust bowl in America's Mid West. Sea Levels have always risen and fallen, always had wild fires. massive population displacement? From American wars maybe? And Soros funded NGOs encouraging migrants to come to Europe. You wrote an academic paper on climate change? What mark did you get?

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And despite all of the above, you still turned out to be a clueless mong.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

And despite all of the above, you still turned out to be a clueless mong.

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What did i say that is incorrect?

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Originally Posted by Doucas

A thesis? How very Marxist of you.

To those on here who don't believe in science have a read and see if you understand the complications of this. Some said here my language was too extreme, I'd argue it was nowhere near extreme enough. We are in big trouble no matter how much you want to bury your head in the sand.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/humani...s-and-animals/

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You're mixing up pollution and climate change old chum. One's very real but conveniently ignored by governments and main media, the other is a geo-political phenonomen, encourage by the like of China.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

You're mixing up pollution and climate change old chum. One's very real but conveniently ignored by governments and main media, the other is a geo-political phenonomen, encourage by the like of China.

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Since the start of the industrial revolution the earth’s temperature has increased exponentially above and beyond the averages throughout the whole of history.

Which part of that do you think is a geopolitical phenomenon?

I suppose it isn’t even worth discussing with someone who has ridiculous opinions on covid too. It seems like you just get your opinions out of thin air to support whatever narrative you want.

It's absolutely right that all science is questioned - that is a necessity to keep science moving forward, but we also have a responsibility to follow the findings and take them seriously, especially when nearly all of it points in one direction.

I do agree there can sometimes be a degree of alarmism, but the debate for me isn't about whether climate change is largely man made (it is), it's how we deal with it in a socially sustainable way.

It’s right it’s questioned by people who know what they’re talking about. This whole thread is questioning facts with stuff that’s been answered a million times before.

It’s the same old challenges that have been brought up and answered 1000s of times as long as I can remember. It’s even been the same people who are raising the same incorrect points they raised last time this discussion happened.

They’re not willing to understand if or do actual reading into it they just want to bury their head in the sand and use incorrect reasoning to make themselves feel either better or above everyone else.

More access than ever to genuine info yet people would rather watch YouTube videos and use confirmation bias to back up their “opinions”

I might as well start questioning gravity and the composition of the air we breath if science is meant to be questioned in this way.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's absolutely right that all science is questioned - that is a necessity to keep science moving forward, but we also have a responsibility to follow the findings and take them seriously, especially when nearly all of it points in one direction.

I do agree there can sometimes be a degree of alarmism, but the debate for me isn't about whether climate change is largely man made (it is), it's how we deal with it in a socially sustainable way.

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Science should be challenged, but in a scientific way - not the "I reckons" approach.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

It's quite clear Bob. Because the earth may be warming up slightly over a very very very short period of time means very little in the bigger picture. 140 year old records alone are not evidence of man made global warming. Bit pointless citing said records. The earth has been, on average, something like 15⁰ warmer than the 2021 average during certain periods in the past.

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Even if global warming is all bollocks. The suggested mitigations include things like burning less coal, oil and gas and planting more trees. Surely these are beneficial anyway. Strip away the science, surely you can see that we have f*cked up large parts of the world, surely it's worth cleaning up industry and rewilding as much of the earth as possible. Any climate impacts can just be seen as a positive side effect.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So if you include scientists who produce work that has not been verified by anyone else, the number is lower than 99%?


And yes, I'd be interested to know who you think is funding almost every single peer review - it's not oil companies, it's not gas companies, it's not governments, as it's not in their best interests. Where did you end up when you followed the money?

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Sorry Lither, i didn't quite catch your response.

You said to follow the money, so who is funding nearly all climate change research?

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And despite all of the above, you still turned out to be a clueless mong.

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Eric he's being a knob, but you shouldn't be using that term.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

It’s right it’s questioned by people who know what they’re talking about. This whole thread is questioning facts with stuff that’s been answered a million times before.

It’s the same old challenges that have been brought up and answered 1000s of times as long as I can remember. It’s even been the same people who are raising the same incorrect points they raised last time this discussion happened.

They’re not willing to understand if or do actual reading into it they just want to bury their head in the sand and use incorrect reasoning to make themselves feel either better or above everyone else.

More access than ever to genuine info yet people would rather watch YouTube videos and use confirmation bias to back up their “opinions”

I might as well start questioning gravity and the composition of the air we breath if science is meant to be questioned in this way.

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That's the nature of the internet unfortunately. There is a truth for everyone out there if you look hard enough..

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

Even if global warming is all bollocks. The suggested mitigations include things like burning less coal, oil and gas and planting more trees. Surely these are beneficial anyway. Strip away the science, surely you can see that we have f*cked up large parts of the world, surely it's worth cleaning up industry and rewilding as much of the earth as possible. Any climate impacts can just be seen as a positive side effect.

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Exactly.