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That's a bit harsh personally, I don't think that he's the brightest on a football pitch. He's great when he can drive into space with the ball, he's naturally good at that. Ask him to look over his shoulder before he receives the ball, not happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Utter bollocks. He has no ego, he’s a lovely lad by all accounts. One that’s had the confidence drained out of him by a sociopathic bully.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Don’t think too hard in future you might so yourself an injury.
I wonder if he reads this, that lovely motivational speech will do him the World of good no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Sorry but this is just plain wrong. I think I watched the same game as you but I am not sure now. Firstly, we won the game. Secondly he came on at a time when we were under severe pressure and with him on the pitch we closed the game out and took the three points. In the last five minutes or so we kept Boro at arms length and this in no small part was due to the subs who came on. It wasn't time for silky skills, it was time for chasing and working hard to keep them out and I remember him doing plenty of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I think that you might just have committed libel there. Think you had better withdraw it pretty quickly. Plus, look up the definition if I were you.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Sorry, meant Huddersfield not 'Boro. He was on from the 70th minute and really didn't do a thing IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
It will be interesting to see what happens to Colwill under the next manager - if he continues to play as you suggest above them you might be right (I'd be surprised though) but if he returns to the player that we saw lots of glimpse of last season then I'd suggest that you are well wide of the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
If I was a betting man I'd say the latter, but we'll see soon enough.
Who did?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Do one Linus.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Dearie meQuote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Neither did anyone else. Bit weird to single him out isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
He’s not starting XI quality but he may become it. Depends on if a manager is willing to gamble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
With a decent manager he'd be the first down on the team sheet and you would build a team around him
He's miles better than Sawyers and is much more creative than Rinomhota. He should be starting. You've got to get everyone else to cover his deficiencies because he offers something that nobody else in the squad has.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
What do you think constitutes a Championship quality player? You won't find many of them without any weaknesses to their game - that would make them Premier League quality (and there are plenty of players in that division with weaknesses). What members of the current City squad do you rate as Championship quality?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I sngled him out because he's become the poster boy for many on here. People are saying we should build the team around him, he's being 'held back' by the manager, we'll lose him to another club, Morison should have gone because he wasn't treating him fairly, etc, etc,.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
He's OK, but I'm not alone in those who I go to the games with, that he's just too slow and ponderous, lacking aggression, and currently isn't a shoe-in for selection.
Lets see what hes like under a new manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Your criticism is way OTT.
Essentially he's right though I'd put it a different way as he's like Whitts was, a luxury player we sometimes can't afford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
What a comment 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
What I'd do for a "luxury" like Whitts in his prime right now.
:thumbup: mental isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
I watched Joel Colwill play against Newport (albeit briefly) and he seemed very impressive and didn't shirk a tackle either. I've heard a few reports from inside and outside the club that he's got more potential than his older brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
I despair. I really do.
I think you mean can't afford not to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
Interesting point this, it's a comparison I'd been thinking about myself. I was actually sad enough to go back to April 2017 on here (around page 930) to check it out and the mixed views on Whitts as he came to the end of his time here were very similar to those on Colwill now. I wondered if the same posters were sticking up for both and the previous two posters in this thread both popped up. Older Blue started a thread defending Whitts and JR Hartley was calling Warnock an 'utter c**t' for subbing him against Newcastle.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
Out of character but I said something quite interesting, looking back. I pointed out that Whitts had been tried in a number of positions in the previous season or two without really convincing in any but when he got criticised for a poor performance posters would jump in and say it was because he was being played out of position. It seems to be a recurring theme with Colwill now too. There were the same 'lazy/ lethargic/ half-hearted' criticisms aimed at both players by some posters too.
I'm not sure how a lad just out of his teens can be seen in the same way as a man in his thirties coming to the end of his career but, both positively and negatively, there do seem to be some similarities here, to be fair to Sneggy.
Issue is that you need to build The entire team and formation around Colwill if you want him to flourish. Is he yah good? I’m just not sure. If I was manager would I? Probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
He's clearly a very gifted player and he should be in the side . He's a big lad but if he needs an enforcer to enable him to play then that's worth it ?
Witts was never a big tackler , he didn't need to be
If Whitts could tackle and had a bit more speed hertonf around the pitch he would have been playing for a top 6 Prem Club. That’s what used to do my head in people moan about he couldn’t tackle or get “stuck in” as his usual detractors would say but if he could he wouldn’t have been playing in the championship!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I don’t need to go searching back 930 pages to remember because it still rankles with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Warnock was an utter c**t for the way he brought him off in that Newcastle game. Rushed him off as part of a double substitution when mostly everyone knew it was going to be the last time they would see him in a City shirt.
If anyone deserved a slow substitution and a wave goodbye it was the man who had given us over a decade of service and arguably our best player in the modern era. A model professional and universally well liked guy by his peers and fans. Warnock absolutely shit on his parade on what was a nothing end of season game for us.’
Even the great man himself got emotional and he rarely showed emotion even in all the great moments he gave us.
So, yeah, I still stand by it. Warnock is an Utter c**t..
I read somewhere in the last couple of days that John Toshack once said that you need four of a football team to be piano players and seven to be piano lifters - I would argue that at Cardiff City in recent years, that balance has sometimes been eight three or even nine two.
Thankfully, the game is changing slowly, but having seen literally hundreds of limited get stuck in merchants in City colours down the years, I can never remember a manager saying great at what he does, but he really needs more flair and skill to his game. On the other hand, when we do get someone with a bit of flair and skill, you can guarantee that there'll be people in the crowd, or even in the dug out, blasting them for not doing enough of what gets called "the dirty work" - it's always been the case that so many at Cardiff City want their piano players to do the lifting as well.
My post was not about Whitts' ability it was about the fact that he sometimes went missing in games. As pointed out by others he would have been a top prem player but for this alone I think. My view is at the moment Colwill can suffer from this too as the game can sometimes pass him by but because of his age am not part of the clamour to see him start every game. Polo's view on that sub by Warnock is spot on in my view and no way to treat a player that was and is of legendary status.
In coming Willie Boland love in from Sludge.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
But you were one of the posters saying Whitts shouldn't be given another season back then so even you can appreciate that there's a line that has to be drawn somewhere and the Colwill debate is which side of the line he is, just like it was with Whitts towards the end of his time here.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I don't think it's as simple as getting 'stuck in'. Stuff like work rate, pressing and tracking back are the norm now surely? There's a level of physicality and athleticism expected that's higher than it was in the past. My lad can tell you how his sport has changed in the same way. I'm not saying you have to like it but it's the way it is.
I'm no expert on the Premier League but wasn't this what United were getting slated for last season, that their players just weren't working hard enough in comparison to Liverpool or Man City? Were United's fans happy to be watching their piano players? Didn't seem to be.
Well, Whitts’ season at Blackburn rather proved that the decision to release him when we did was the right one. For me, he was at his peak around 2012, but for every year until 2016, when he thirty two, he was well worth a new contract in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
I accept that what players do when not in possession has become more important, but I don’t think Colwill just stands about doing nothing when we don’t have the ball, he tries to do what he is, no doubt, told to do constantly, but he isn’t the best at it.
This takes me on to the seven/four situation - that seemed the right balance to me during Toshack’s time and it still does now, despite the changes in approach you talk about. If you look at the teams Steve Morison tended to pick, I’d say the balance tended to be eight/three and, like so many managers he was preoccupied more with getting the three or four to help the seven or eight out rather than vice versa.
You could argue to some extent that players like Colwill have been less effective because the seven/eight were not doing their jobs well enough. It was noticeable over the three seasons following our relegation how often the Colwill equivalent players in our team (Tomlin and Wilson) were anonymous in the first half of matches in 19/20 and 20/21and, on the rare occasions he started under Morison in 21/22, Colwill was a spectator most of the time during the opening forty five minutes All of this points to long standing inability to pass the ball accurately enough - it was only in the second half, as opponents tired, that the players I mentioned came into their own.
As for Manchester United, I’d say they had too many players who should have been in the seven who thought they were one of the four - they were a team short of piano lifters in the same way we had too few piano players.
Finally, as for as get stuck in merchants are concerned, I agree that you need more than that these days even to be a piano lifter, but that message has taken longer to sink at Cardiffthan most other clubs. For me, this summer has given us a nucleus of hard working players with better ability on the ball- players of the type that should be equipped to give the Tomkins, Wilson’s and Colwill’s of this world the sort of service which would see them get more involved. It’s frustrating therefore that Morison seemed reluctant to commit fully to the seven/four divide, the most adventurous he tended to get was a seven and half, three and a half arrangement with Sawyers expected to do a bit of both.
He is the best long term player we've had in my lifetime. He scored almost 100 goals. His touch was immaculate. His vision and "football brain" unmatched among Championship players of his era. Yes, there was something missing. That's why he played for us and not Liverpool or Man City. To say he was a luxury player is ****ing ridiculous. He made a difference in so many games .Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
Absolute rubbish....he's always scanning and showing for the ball - appears to have more of a footballing brain than a lot of those experienced pros who have been shifted out this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Wales don't create formations around Colwill but he always does really well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
At a time when Cardiff need someone who can create opportunities, it is madness he is not in the team.
The exact opposite of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'll give you the Malky!!
You need to get the shit out of your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
That's not quite how I remember Whittingham's last seasons with us. From memory, the big dilemma was that he delivered from set pieces, even if not scoring any more from direct free kicks, but from open play he no longer did much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
I recall Whitts first few seasons with us. He divided opinions then. Allegedly Forest bid £2m for him and I reckon half of our supporters would have taken it. Then Dave Jones put him on penalty duties and give him a freer role as an attacking wide man. All of a sudden Whitts became (rightfully) a legend.
Colwill is too young to have firm opinions on. It is certain that, unless he produces moments of brilliance on some sort of regular basis, he will divide opinion. Having a moment of magic is fantastic if it happens every game. Every 3 games is great. Every 10, less so, and so on. If one of your specialisms is creating moments of genius but you have little else, those moments need to be regular.
Absolute legendQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman