FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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21-11-22, 21:28
Henry Hill

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've never seen a manager wait 45 mins to change a team that are playing that bad. We got out of jail here.

Bollocks
21-11-22, 21:28
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He's a box to box ball winner

Joe Allen wouldn't have held back the USA like ampadu did

Allen would have kept the ball. Allen and Ampadu give a platform to play from. Moore has to play now.

Bale was dire tonight and then came good. Rodon was god awful. I’m not sure if Rambo and Bale can play in the same side now.
21-11-22, 21:28
Jimmy the Jock

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've never seen a manager wait 45 mins to change a team that are playing that bad. We got out of jail here.

You are right . Substitutions after 25 minutes are 10 a penny. :thumbup:
21-11-22, 21:29
Harry Paget Flashman

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've never seen a manager wait 45 mins to change a team that are playing that bad.

Bollocks.
21-11-22, 21:32
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Allen would have kept the ball. Allen and Ampadu give a platform to play from. Moore has to play now.

Bale was dire tonight and then came good. Rodon was god awful. I’m not sure if Rambo and Bale can play in the same side now.

I think Allen and ampadu would be great but Allen's not fit
21-11-22, 21:34
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've never seen a manager wait 45 mins to change a team that are playing that bad. We got out of jail here.

We did

But we know now that Moore upfront is better suited to the players we have

So it's onwards 🙂
21-11-22, 21:35
Pearcey3

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

At international level Ramsey's well past his sell by date. I just wonder if his 'status' prevents the journeyman manager from dropping him.

Yep. I cannot see Page dropping him. In the first half their players just went straight past him. He also lost the ball often as did Bale.
21-11-22, 21:36
Wales-Bales

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Allen would have kept the ball. Allen and Ampadu give a platform to play from. Moore has to play now.

It worked because we put pressure on their centre backs when Moore came on. We never troubled them once in the first half, and going down the wings was a dead-end tactic. I thought we could get the better of the USA if we went through the middle with pace, but playing Moore centrally also worked. The first half was puzzling cos we kept on doing the same things that didn't work.
21-11-22, 21:39
Wales-Bales

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think Allen and ampadu would be great but Allen's not fit

I don't think we will fully solve the midfield problem until the next batch of youngsters come through.
21-11-22, 21:42
sneggyblubird

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

Wrong starting line-up, wrong shape. Page must be big enough to admit the fact that we didn't win was down to him.
21-11-22, 21:47
Hilts

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Yep. I cannot see Page dropping him. In the first half their players just went straight past him. He also lost the ball often as did Bale.

Losing the ball 1st half wasnt exclusive to them. They were all losing it. Nobody passed it well 1st half.

Ramseys movement gets us the penalty.

Has to play v an awful Iran side as does Bale.
21-11-22, 21:48
Wales-Bales

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

You are right . Substitutions after 25 minutes are 10 a penny. :thumbup:

I've seen substitutes substituted in the first half!
21-11-22, 21:53
Harry Paget Flashman

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've seen substitutes substituted in the first half!

But you've never seen a manager change it in the first half when playing as badly as we did tonight.

If Page changed his mind as often as you we'd have won.
21-11-22, 21:54
Moodybluebird

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I don't think we will fully solve the midfield problem until the next batch of youngsters come through.

Think you're right there. Our best midfielders of recent times are aging, have lost their spark and in some cases are now a hindrance to the team. And yet....it was Ramsey who put that clever little ball in to Bale who used all his know how to win the penalty and dispatch it. As frustrating as it is to watch previously top class performers losing or giving the ball away time after time, they can make a difference during the game and that's why we now have our first point on the board. We really have no other viable options until, as you said, the next batch of youngsters come through.
21-11-22, 21:55
Ivortheengine

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

What did he achieve- one header over the bar !
21-11-22, 21:58
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by sneggyblubird

Wrong starting line-up, wrong shape. Page must be big enough to admit the fact that we didn't win was down to him.

Page fixed it. He made a mistake. We are at the end of a cycle. Ramsey, Allen and Bale are nearly done, we are nearly at a pretty major rebuild. In the first half we had 3 passengers. I’d have brought Moore on earlier but we got out of jail.
21-11-22, 21:59
bluesp

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Ivortheengine

What did he achieve- one header over the bar !

If that’s all you saw…..
21-11-22, 21:59
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think Allen and ampadu would be great but Allen's not fit

Yes, but you said Allen wouldn’t have held back USA. We wouldn’t have given the ball away as much as we did had Allen played. His lack of football is going to be a concern now
21-11-22, 22:00
Wales-Bales

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

But you've never seen a manager change it in the first half when playing as badly as we did tonight.

If Page changed his mind as often as you we'd have won.

I said I've never seen a manager wait 45 mins to change a team that are playing that bad.
21-11-22, 22:03
Wales-Bales

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

Think you're right there. Our best midfielders of recent times are aging, have lost their spark and in some cases are now a hindrance to the team. And yet....it was Ramsey who put that clever little ball in to Bale who used all his know how to win the penalty and dispatch it. As frustrating as it is to watch previously top class performers losing or giving the ball away time after time, they can make a difference during the game and that's why we now have our first point on the board. We really have no other viable options until, as you said, the next batch of youngsters come through.

That's why I keep going on about getting them in the squad instead of picking Jonniesta & Gunter every game. It's pointless :biggrin:
21-11-22, 22:06
Wales-Bales

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Yes, but you said Allen wouldn’t have held back USA. We wouldn’t have given the ball away as much as we did had Allen played. His lack of football is going to be a concern now

One option is to play Morrell next to Ampadu if he is fit for the next game. If he's injured we are in a pickle.
21-11-22, 22:17
Harry Paget Flashman

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I said I've never seen a manager wait 45 mins to change a team that are playing that bad.

My bad I've had a few.

I still don't believe you on your first point though.
21-11-22, 22:18
BLUETIT

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

At international level Ramsey's well past his sell by date. I just wonder if his 'status' prevents the journeyman manager from dropping him.

What utter shite !!

He’s still a class act and a game changer
21-11-22, 22:20
Wales-Bales

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

What utter shite !!

He’s still a class act and a game changer

He's better playing as a 10 though.
21-11-22, 22:23
LA Bluebird

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

After the anger of how bad we were in the first half and the stress of the second half, I think it just hit me that I just saw Wales at a World Cup, never mind taking a point off a country 10x the size and with probably more than that again in terms of money and resources. I didn't get as emotional as I thought I would at either of the Euros even being there in person in France, but this one has hit different tonight.
21-11-22, 22:37
Divine Wright

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

What utter shite !!

He’s still a class act and a game changer

Messi, Lewandowski, Thiago, Perisic ....the list goes on. All players who have a year or two (or four) on Rambo who are still doing the business, in some cases playing the best football of their careers.

You can be 90% the player you are at 35 as you were at 25 nowadays.....unless you are injury prone.

With Rambo, I know he's had knocks but for the type of position he plays on the field It doesn't make sense to me, on the face of it, that he should be "done" at this level. Seems a bit melodramatic.

I got the feeling the players didn't believe in themselves much at the last euros and you get the vibe they are just kind of winging it , or muddling their way through games with a bit of guts and moments of inspiration. My suspicion is that the coaching and tactical side of the game is probably not up to the standard as opposed to the players....or at least that this part of the setup contributes a fair bit to our shoddy displays.
21-11-22, 22:39
Gofer Blue

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

Iran will fancy their chances against us definitely and if we start the England game as we did tonight against the USA, they will slaughter us. Hope I'm wrong of course but sadly I foresee an early departure. My heart sank when Moore came on but I must admit his time at Bournemouth has been beneficial by the look of it. He certainly looked less of a "headless chicken" than he used to do at City.
21-11-22, 22:40
Divine Wright

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by LA Bluebird

After the anger of how bad we were in the first half and the stress of the second half, I think it just hit me that I just saw Wales at a World Cup, never mind taking a point off a country 10x the size and with probably more than that again in terms of money and resources. I didn't get as emotional as I thought I would at either of the Euros even being there in person in France, but this one has hit different tonight.

Nice post.

....did you write it yourself?

Seriously though, that's the spirit.
21-11-22, 22:42
chrisp_1927

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Don't quite understand the Rambo is past it stuff. He's been inconsistent his entire career including for Wales. He's worth his place in the side because when he's good he makes things happen. The likes of James can't and shouldn't be carried.
21-11-22, 22:44
BlueArmy 86

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They gave Bale man of the match ffs

I think Bale should be coming off the bench, he’s not fit or sharp enough to start. Ramsey played a lot better second half, and hopefully he grows into the tournament.

I thought Mepham and Ampadu were our best players. Maybe Neco until he went off.

We’re a much better side with Moore in it.

Not a bad point really, USA are no mugs.
21-11-22, 22:44
goats

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

Don't quite understand the Rambo is past it stuff. He's been inconsistent his entire career including for Wales. He's worth his place in the side because when he's good he makes things happen. The likes of James can't and shouldn't be carried.

Yeah he might have a blinder v Iran….let’s hope
21-11-22, 22:46
BlueArmy 86

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

My heart sank when Moore came on but I must admit his time at Bournemouth has been beneficial by the look of it. He certainly looked less of a "headless chicken" than he used to do at City.

When he scored 20 odd goals? I agree he’s improved, a lot tidier and more composed.
21-11-22, 22:55
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86

When he scored 20 odd goals? I agree he’s improved, a lot tidier and more composed.

For a guy who is 6 ft 5 , Moore is a useful player
21-11-22, 22:57
BLUETIT

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

Messi, Lewandowski, Thiago, Perisic ....the list goes on. All players who have a year or two (or four) on Rambo who are still doing the business, in some cases playing the best football of their careers.

You can be 90% the player you are at 35 as you were at 25 nowadays.....unless you are injury prone.

With Rambo, I know he's had knocks but for the type of position he plays on the field It doesn't make sense to me, on the face of it, that he should be "done" at this level. Seems a bit melodramatic.

I got the feeling the players didn't believe in themselves much at the last euros and you get the vibe they are just kind of winging it , or muddling their way through games with a bit of guts and moments of inspiration. My suspicion is that the coaching and tactical side of the game is probably not up to the standard as opposed to the players....or at least that this part of the setup contributes a fair bit to our shoddy displays.

What a load of verbal diarrhoea
21-11-22, 23:13
Taffy Blue in Berkshire

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

we've got a point and our players have been 'blooded' on the WC stage.

I think we've done very well and credit to all.
21-11-22, 23:24
jon1959

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by LA Bluebird

After the anger of how bad we were in the first half and the stress of the second half, I think it just hit me that I just saw Wales at a World Cup, never mind taking a point off a country 10x the size and with probably more than that again in terms of money and resources. I didn't get as emotional as I thought I would at either of the Euros even being there in person in France, but this one has hit different tonight.

The USA is 100x bigger than Wales in population; 450x bigger in land mass and more than 200x bigger in GDP.

We are minnows.

But 11 v 11 and 1- 1, so who cares. And better fans and anthems!
21-11-22, 23:29
jon1959

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Did anyone see Steve Morison on SSN at half time?

He was the match pundit (did well I thought) and was asked what he would do to change things after a dire first half.

Answer: bring on Kieffer Moore, Rubin Colwill and Mark Harris! :thumbup:
21-11-22, 23:35
Baloo

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21-11-22, 23:37
Divine Wright

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

What a load of verbal diarrhoea

I was agreeing with you ya dull 'ed
22-11-22, 00:13
Hilts

Re: FT: WALES 1 - 1 U.S.A. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Iran will fancy their chances against us definitely and if we start the England game as we did tonight against the USA, they will slaughter us. Hope I'm wrong of course but sadly I foresee an early departure. My heart sank when Moore came on but I must admit his time at Bournemouth has been beneficial by the look of it. He certainly looked less of a "headless chicken" than he used to do at City.

Iran slaughter us.🤣🤣🤣 Did you see them?

They were shocking.

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