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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
This feels like Iraq and Afghanistan all over again. British politicians and media are falling over themselves to justify war crimes e.g cutting off water, energy, food and killing civilians.
As a species we are incapable of learning.
So much for evolution then. :hide:
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Jesus wept
I'm sure he still does.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
So much for evolution then. :hide:
Correction: we have evolved in the sense that we have devised even more efficient ways of killing folk en masse than ever before in human history. What a noble achievement.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.
As sure as night follows day the UK sleepwalks into the fire on the coat tails of America
We have already stirred up bad feelings by going full square behind Israel
Now we are helping them out in a military sense
Turn out the lights
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.
It won't be possible to deliver aid without the Israeli government granting it.
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Pretty standard for navy's to reposition ships closer to events. It's the sensible thing to do. Be it military assistance, diplomacy, aid, support, morale, logistics, evacuations etc.
They are doing their job.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.
Absolutely appalling, we should be ashamed.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
Absolutely appalling, we should be ashamed.
Nonsense. What is your problem with the following?
"track threats to regional stability such as the transfer of weapons to terrorist groups".
"military support would "prevent further escalation".
"deliver practical support to Israel and partners in the region, and offer deterrence and assurance"
"Our military and diplomatic teams across the region will also support international partners to re-establish security and ensure humanitarian aid reaches the thousands of innocent victims of this barbaric attack from Hamas terrorists,"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67095846
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Nonsense. What is your problem with the following?
"track threats to regional stability such as the transfer of weapons to terrorist groups".
"military support would "prevent further escalation".
"deliver practical support to Israel and partners in the region, and offer deterrence and assurance"
"Our military and diplomatic teams across the region will also support international partners to re-establish security and ensure humanitarian aid reaches the thousands of innocent victims of this barbaric attack from Hamas terrorists,"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67095846
Why don't our military ensure humanitarian aid reach thousands of innocent victims in Palestine?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Nonsense. What is your problem with the following?
"track threats to regional stability such as the transfer of weapons to terrorist groups".
"military support would "prevent further escalation".
"deliver practical support to Israel and partners in the region, and offer deterrence and assurance"
"Our military and diplomatic teams across the region will also support international partners to re-establish security and ensure humanitarian aid reaches the thousands of innocent victims of this barbaric attack from Hamas terrorists,"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67095846
We appear to be best mates with Israel
There is being appalled by these terrible attacks and opening ourselves up to criticism and accusations of bias
The UN say there is already a humanitarian crisis in Palestine
It could be argued we are opening ourselves up to criticism and possibly the target for extremists
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
Why don't our military ensure humanitarian aid reach thousands of innocent victims in Palestine?
What makes you think that won't be part of the role?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
Why don't our military ensure humanitarian aid reach thousands of innocent victims in Palestine?
If the UK government were sending forces out there as a joint peacekeeping force then that's neutral
As it is we appear to be propping up that nutter Netanyahu
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
What makes you think that won't be part of the role?
The statement you posted didn't mention it
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
The statement you posted didn't mention it
Firstly, it does if you consider Palestinians to be victims of Hamas, which they also are.
But not everything they do will be in an initial press release.
They definitely can't help with humanitarian aid from the mid Atlantic or Devonport dockyard or anywhere else.
The vast majority of Royal Navy operations are not warfare based. I wouldnt jump to conclusions about what they will do there.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Firstly, it does if you consider Palestinians to be victims of Hamas, which they also are.
But not everything they do will be in an initial press release.
They definitely can't help with humanitarian aid from the mid Atlantic or Devonport dockyard or anywhere else.
The vast majority of Royal Navy operations are not warfare based. I wouldnt jump to conclusions about what they will do there.
What part of they are there to support Israel that you can't grasp? There is no mention of the UK helping the defenceless people being slaughtered
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
You obviously can't read very well can you? Clearly that's why you understand zilch about fascism.
Far from celebrating any massacre I have openly condemned the kidnap and slaughter of innocents on both sides. I deplore the initial Hamas action as much as the retaliatory Israeli ones. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
i can't find your celtic celebrate a masscare and we should all do the same post please re-post , my facist post is up re-post with the dictionary definition
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
military support would "prevent further escalation".
In other words we are here to stop any other country helping Palestine
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
The statement you posted didn't mention it
Do you seriously believe that statement from the Navy ?
It's all cloak and dagger nonsense
I am amazed we havnt learnt from the past but off we go again jumping in to get involved
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
As sure as night follows day the UK sleepwalks into the fire on the coat tails of America
We have already stirred up bad feelings by going full square behind Israel
Now we are helping them out in a military sense
Turn out the lights
That is true - as it is for most of the EU and other 'western' states and their main allies.
However, it is noticeable that Antony Blinken, the US Secretary of State - whilst giving 100% support to Israel and denouncing Hamas - has given a strong message about not committing war crimes and targeting civilians (directly or indirectly): ' How Israel defends itself matters....'.
His joint press conference with Netanyahu had a different tone from the cheerleading we saw from Cleverly and Van de Leyden.
It may not make any difference to the latest Palestinian victims - but it is a slightly more balanced message than what we saw from our own Foreign Secretary. His comment on running for cover when an air raid siren went off - on the day that over 200 children were amongst the latest victims of Israeli attacks in Gaza - was sickening.
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
military support would "prevent further escalation".
In other words we are here to stop any other country helping Palestine
One of the most bizarre takes on 'in other words' I've ever heard.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Do you seriously believe that statement from the Navy ?
It's all cloak and dagger nonsense
I am amazed we havnt learnt from the past but off we go again jumping in to get involved
The Royal Navy are very often pretty close to the scene in these situations. As stated, there a vast array of functions they serve and it's right they have a presence nearby.
This idea they will be using force to stop any aid going to Palestine or using military force against them is simply not true.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
More Sarcasm? Maybe we should have an emoji?
maybe you should post any information you can find on the relationship between israel and saudi
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
That is true - as it is for most of the EU and other 'western' states and their main allies.
However, it is noticeable that Antony Blinken, the US Secretary of State - whilst giving 100% support to Israel and denouncing Hamas - has given a strong message about not committing war crimes and targeting civilians (directly or indirectly): ' How Israel defends itself matters....'.
His joint press conference with Netanyahu had a different tone from the cheerleading we saw from Cleverly and Van de Leyden.
It may not make any difference to the latest Palestinian victims - but it is a slightly more balanced message than what we saw from our own Foreign Secretary. His comment on running for cover when an air raid siren went off - on the day that over 200 children were amongst the latest victims of Israeli attacks in Gaza - was sickening.
Blinken spoke well and Netanyahu looked boiling with rage , he's a complete hothead
Every member of hamas is a dead man ?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The Royal Navy are very often pretty close to the scene in these situations. As stated, there a vast array of functions they serve and it's right they have a presence nearby.
This idea they will be using force to stop any aid going to Palestine or using military force against them is simply not true.
You might think it's right I think we should be well out of the theatre of conflict
Getting involved on the side of Israel is not going to end well
It's not playing soldiers and jelly and custard
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
One of the most bizarre takes on 'in other words' I've ever heard.
If a country wanted to help Palestine how would they do it without escalating the situation?
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I haven't read much about it but we must not forget that someone is supplying terrorists with weapons without which they would be limited to throwing stones, spears or petrol bombs. They are as guilty as the terrorists themselves. Despite all the security and blockades Israel seems incapable of cutting the supply routes for weapons!
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The idea that the Israeli army and Israeli defence and security forces are some of the best in the world has taken a hit and hamas will be more than happy with that
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
+ the native hipster
maybe you should post any information you can find on the relationship between israel and saudi
I'll send my army of investigators out to delve deeper into this scenario
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
I'll send my army of investigators out to delve deeper into this scenario
let's start with the dictionary definition of facist
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
I'll send my army of investigators out to delve deeper into this scenario
thats why socialism dosen't work , your army got paid regardless of the fact they did no actual work
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According to Humans Right Watch white phosphorus has been used in Gaza.
If this is true this is mortifying.
https://twitter.com/hrw/status/17125...ut3goG1wA&s=19
1 million civilians also apparently told to leave Northern gaza within 24 hours.
We are about to witness a massacre.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
+ the native hipster
let's start with the dictionary definition of facist
If you were able to read there's plenty of books out there which could "lern" you!
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
+ the native hipster
thats why socialism dosen't work , your army got paid regardless of the fact they did no actual work
Socialism ALWAYS works!!! My army donate their services free of charge.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Nonsense. What is your problem with the following?
"track threats to regional stability such as the transfer of weapons to terrorist groups".
"military support would "prevent further escalation".
"deliver practical support to Israel and partners in the region, and offer deterrence and assurance"
"Our military and diplomatic teams across the region will also support international partners to re-establish security and ensure humanitarian aid reaches the thousands of innocent victims of this barbaric attack from Hamas terrorists,"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67095846
I think it has something to do with giving indirect military assistance to a country that has 400,000 troops and nearly $4 billion of backing every year, against a mainly impoverished, soon-to-be starving population crammed into ghettos for the last 70 years. I think I'd rather tax-payers' money spend more judiciously..
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I think it has something to do with giving indirect military assistance to a country that has 400,000 troops and nearly $4 billion of backing every year, against a mainly impoverished, soon-to-be starving population crammed into ghettos for the last 70 years. I think I'd rather tax-payers' money spend more judiciously..
And 1 million gaza people given 24 hours to move before land offensive by Israel
Who is in need of help here ?
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I think it has something to do with giving indirect military assistance to a country that has 400,000 troops and nearly $4 billion of backing every year, against a mainly impoverished, soon-to-be starving population crammed into ghettos for the last 70 years. I think I'd rather tax-payers' money spend more judiciously..
The Royal Navy isn't there giving military assistance to the Gaza response though is it. It's not providing weapons. It's there, rightly, because this is where conflict is and there is an enormous amount of work that can and could be done to help. Aside from anything else, making Israelcm feel totally isolated is highly unlikely to make them respond more rationally.
I think people have the wrong idea about what that navy does and what it's doing here.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
And 1 million gaza people given 24 hours to move before land offensive by Israel
Who is in need of help here ?
And yet some people are quibbling because Wembley won't be lit up blue and white in the colours of the Israeli flag and yet others are saying flying the Palestinian flag in support of the massacre of innocents should be outlawed! FFS!
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The Royal Navy isn't there giving military assistance to the Gaza response though is it. It's not providing weapons. It's there, rightly, because this is where conflict is and there is an enormous amount of work that can and could be done to help. Aside from anything else, making Israelcm feel totally isolated is highly unlikely to make them respond more rationally.
I think people have the wrong idea about what that navy does and what it's doing here.
I think you may be right on this one. If the role of the Navy is to aid possible evacuation and attempt to prevent escalation of the conflict then that's justified.
Where I think the US and USA are entirely wrong is giving "shoulder to shoulder" support for the systematic massacre of innocents. The two countries have blood on their hands in my opinion and of course they aren't the only ones.
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Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The Royal Navy isn't there giving military assistance to the Gaza response though is it. It's not providing weapons. It's there, rightly, because this is where conflict is and there is an enormous amount of work that can and could be done to help. Aside from anything else, making Israelcm feel totally isolated is highly unlikely to make them respond more rationally.
I think people have the wrong idea about what that navy does and what it's doing here.
Rightly ?
That's your view
Who is it helping ?
The Palestinians?
The Israelis are not going to listen to anybody but themselves