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JamesWales
Chanted at the police I believe? Probably more based on their (incorrect) assessment that they let their country down etc. May be racist. What do you think?
Why are you asking me anyway? I have consistently pointed out that singing anti-semitic songs is racist. Cos it is. Not sure you've accepted that yet, mind.
Earlier on you were denying claims that you’d taken a hell of a beating in this thread, why are you giving those who thought that a second chance to say it? Isn’t the truth that a tiny, tiny minority of the hundreds of thousands of pro Palestine marchers misbehaved whereas a a far larger minority (it may even have been a majority) of those laughably there to “protect the Cenotaph”, the sort of people who would have lapped up Braverman’s rabble rousing, were there to cause trouble? There were faults on both sides, but there were far more on the side which you have been, mostly, silent about.
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A tale as old as time, the uneducated frothing at the mouth because a right wing politician along with right wing media lied and wound them up.
It's always the same virtue signalling by this group. Only give a shit about veterans one week a year but then go and vote for the same people that put them out on the street.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so predictable.
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Doucas
A tale as old as time, the uneducated frothing at the mouth because a right wing politician along with right wing media lied and wound them up.
It's always the same virtue signalling by this group. Only give a shit about veterans one week a year but then go and vote for the same people that put them out on the street.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so predictable.
Hasn't the penny dropped yet ?
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the other bob wilson
Earlier on you were denying claims that you’d taken a hell of a beating in this thread, why are you giving those who thought that a second chance to say it? Isn’t the truth that a tiny, tiny minority of the hundreds of thousands of pro Palestine marchers misbehaved whereas a a far larger minority (it may even have been a majority) of those laughably there to “protect the Cenotaph”, the sort of people who would have lapped up Braverman’s rabble rousing, were there to cause trouble? There were faults on both sides, but there were far more on the side which you have been, mostly, silent about.
I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..
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A Quiet Monkfish
I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..
.....or perhaps marching down Cable Street with Oswald Moseley?
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cyril evans awaydays
.....or perhaps marching down Cable Street with Oswald Moseley?
I don't doubt it, but at a time when fascism was on the rise in mainland Europe there were 'Moseleys' pretty much everywhere. The UK media has picked up on Moseley etc., in recent years and painted the fascists as a major movement in Britain. In fact, whilst Cable Street was no laughing matter, the brown shirts and their marches generally brought amusement to the general public.
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A Quiet Monkfish
I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..
The right wing protesters out yesterday were mostly fat , pissed failures
You don't have to be that bright to get in the army but most of that lot would fail the mental capacity and fitness tests
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A Quiet Monkfish
I don't doubt it, but at a time when fascism was on the rise in mainland Europe there were 'Moseleys' pretty much everywhere. The UK media has picked up on Moseley etc., in recent years and painted the fascists as a major movement in Britain. In fact, whilst Cable Street was no laughing matter, the brown shirts and their marches generally brought amusement to the general public.
I was laughing at the antics of those idiots yesterday, it was pathetic
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A Quiet Monkfish
I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..
Crude and mostly illegal if the 100 plus arrests is anything to go by
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A Quiet Monkfish
I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..
You’re joking. They’d be organising who would do what when we had been occupied.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..
From the videos I’ve seen of the so called protection of the Cenotaph, any war would have to be going dreadfully for about half of them to receive a call up - plenty of middle aged men and older giving it large, it was pathetic.
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A Quiet Monkfish
I'd be prepared to bet that were September 1939 to happen again next week then few if any of those pro-Palestine protesters would answer a call up, unlike a good majority of the right-wing protesters. Their motives and methods are crude, but it's from their ranks that our 'tommies' mostly come from..
If someone were to rise up that wanted to exterminate a group of people, say from the middle east, the far right on this country would support them.
Oh.
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the other bob wilson
Earlier on you were denying claims that you’d taken a hell of a beating in this thread, why are you giving those who thought that a second chance to say it? Isn’t the truth that a tiny, tiny minority of the hundreds of thousands of pro Palestine marchers misbehaved whereas a a far larger minority (it may even have been a majority) of those laughably there to “protect the Cenotaph”, the sort of people who would have lapped up Braverman’s rabble rousing, were there to cause trouble? There were faults on both sides, but there were far more on the side which you have been, mostly, silent about.
"Hell of a beating". Give over. I've been consistent in calling out shit that needs calling out and it time you may realise that.
The far-right are idiots. I'm unsure on protocol for the events at the cenotaph on the 11/11, as I've only ever watched the event on remembrance Sunday which I assume is managed. The police didn't want them to attend though and the idiots reacted as idiots did, with violence. Even if the police were unfair or setting some kind of trap in not allowing people to attend, the various attempts to get at protesters shows that many were intent on trouble and rightly and understandable arrested.
So what did we learn? Not much. Far-right are violent idiots. Police continue to allow anti-Semitic chants, but seem to be clamping down a bit more on other behaviours, which is good. Some evidence of police treating different groups differently (they allowed protesters into train stations for sitdown protests for example), but otherwise seem to have done a decent job to keep people apart. My friend was at the event in Cardiff btw which I think seems to be far calmer than London and with less general unpleasantness.
This is the campaign on antisemitism's video of yesterday, which is worth a watch.
"Today, Islamist extremists, the far-left, and the far-right were out on the streets. What a day to be a Jew in London" Hard to disagree with that.
https://x.com/antisemitism/status/17...960873752?s=20
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JamesWales
"Hell of a beating". Give over. I've been consistent in calling out shit that needs calling out and it time you may realise that.
The far-right are idiots. I'm unsure on protocol for the events at the cenotaph on the 11/11, as I've only ever watched the event on remembrance Sunday which I assume is managed. The police didn't want them to attend though and the idiots reacted as idiots did, with violence. Even if the police were unfair or setting some kind of trap in not allowing people to attend, the various attempts to get at protesters shows that many were intent on trouble and rightly and understandable arrested.
So what did we learn? Not much. Far-right are violent idiots. Police continue to allow anti-Semitic chants, but seem to be clamping down a bit more on other behaviours, which is good. Some evidence of police treating different groups differently (they allowed protesters into train stations for sitdown protests for example), but otherwise seem to have done a decent job to keep people apart. My friend was at the event in Cardiff btw which I think seems to be far calmer than London and with less general unpleasantness.
This is the campaign on antisemitism's video of yesterday, which is worth a watch.
"Today, Islamist extremists, the far-left, and the far-right were out on the streets. What a day to be a Jew in London" Hard to disagree with that.
https://x.com/antisemitism/status/17...960873752?s=20
You’re talking as if yesterday changed nothing. It did, before the march we had senior police officers talking what turned out to be rubbish.
https://inews.co.uk/news/met-deploy-...o=in-line_link
The truth was that while it would be wrong to say the pro Palestine element were squeaky clean, the Police are now saying that it was the Cenotaph protectors who were the real problem yesterday
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2445662.html
As for “what a day to be a Jew in London”, I have sympathy for anyone who has felt intimidated by all of the pro Palestine protests, but I’ve also read of Jews joining the pro Palestine rallies and I wouldn’t mind betting that the proportion of Jews on the march yesterday was bigger than the proportion arrested.
On the other hand, if the estimates of 2,000 so called Cenitaph protectors is correct we’re talking about two to three percent of them ended up being arrested - even if we accept the lowest estimate of300,000 I’ve seen of numbers on the pro Palestine march it means.that something like ten thousand of them would have had to have been arrested to maintain parity. Despite this, we’re seeing some trying to make out both sides were equally responsible for the violence - this is clearly not true and your link is another example of the media telling us stuff that is not the reality of the position.
Meanwhile, the woman you have spent much of this thread defending is shamelessly doubling down on her rabble rousing.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2445874.html
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JamesWales
"Hell of a beating". Give over. I've been consistent in calling out shit that needs calling out and it time you may realise that.
The far-right are idiots. I'm unsure on protocol for the events at the cenotaph on the 11/11, as I've only ever watched the event on remembrance Sunday which I assume is managed. The police didn't want them to attend though and the idiots reacted as idiots did, with violence. Even if the police were unfair or setting some kind of trap in not allowing people to attend, the various attempts to get at protesters shows that many were intent on trouble and rightly and understandable arrested.
So what did we learn? Not much. Far-right are violent idiots. Police continue to allow anti-Semitic chants, but seem to be clamping down a bit more on other behaviours, which is good. Some evidence of police treating different groups differently (they allowed protesters into train stations for sitdown protests for example), but otherwise seem to have done a decent job to keep people apart. My friend was at the event in Cardiff btw which I think seems to be far calmer than London and with less general unpleasantness.
This is the campaign on antisemitism's video of yesterday, which is worth a watch.
"Today, Islamist extremists, the far-left, and the far-right were out on the streets. What a day to be a Jew in London" Hard to disagree with that.
https://x.com/antisemitism/status/17...960873752?s=20
You egotistical arse
You were wrong ff sake
Calling it out .....ff sake do you think you are on the telly with an exclusive or something?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You egotistical arse
You were wrong ff sake
Calling it out .....ff sake do you think you are on the telly with an exclusive or something?
What have I said that was wrong?
No I don't think I'm on TV. 🤷
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JamesWales
What have I said that was wrong?
No I don't think I'm on TV. 🤷
Right sort yourself out
The time leading up to this march you have been prancing about in a black wig and a skirt ranting like your heroine suella
This is awful , hate march blah blah blah
It wasn't , much to your disdain and our grace as you would have been all over here like a rash
The far right were the problem and always were going to be
You were predicting blood on the streets , specifically the blood of people of Jewish origin and it didn't happen
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Right sort yourself out
The time leading up to this march you have been prancing about in a black wig and a skirt ranting like your heroine suella
This is awful , hate march blah blah blah
It wasn't , much to your disdain and our grace as you would have been all over here like a rash
The far right were the problem and always were going to be
You were predicting blood on the streets , specifically the blood of people of Jewish origin and it didn't happen
I think you can tell the fact that someone is completely making something up by the fact that they attack strawmen, or in this case some kind of strawtransvestite. What an imagination you have.
I never predicted blood on the streets, I never said the far-right weren't a problem. They absolutely are. I've said there is a problem with a minority of people and some aspects of the marches.
And there is.
Stop making crap up.
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JamesWales
I think you can tell the fact that someone is completely making something up by the fact that they attack strawmen, or in this case some kind of strawtransvestite. What an imagination you have.
I never predicted blood on the streets, I never said the far-right weren't a problem. They absolutely are. I've said there is a problem with a minority of people and some aspects of the marches.
And there is.
Stop making crap up.
Nonsense
Your posts were right out of the home secretary's notebook
Like her you look like a chump
It would be good if you could both resign
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You are sacked !
Knowing me Rishi Sunak Sacking You Suella Braverman!
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Sue Ellen's been sacked (again). Will Rishi now claim he's acted decisively, for once?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You are sacked !
Knowing me Rishi Sunak Sacking You Suella Braverman!
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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the other bob wilson
From the videos I’ve seen of the so called protection of the Cenotaph, any war would have to be going dreadfully for about half of them to receive a call up - plenty of middle aged men and older giving it large, it was pathetic.
Not the BBC, Sky or Guardian I admit, but a 4 min read..
https://unherd.com/2023/11/dont-be-f...rch-for-peace/
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Being unemployed is a lifestyle choice!
Sacked twice, that’s some achievement. The most hateful, divisive HS of all time. Good feckin riddance.
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Four minutes of wasted time, the usual one eyed stuff that has led us to what happened on 7 October - no attempt to try and find common ground and reads like it’s a game of goodies v baddies.
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Given that unherd is another provider of political opinion set up by a Tory and GB news funder, I'll give it a miss, thanks.
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the other bob wilson
Four minutes of wasted time, the usual one eyed stuff that has led us to what happened on 7 October - no attempt to try and find common ground and reads like it’s a game of goodies v baddies.
He probably thought the fact that his father was Jewish and his wife Israeli didn't need mentioning in this objective opinion piece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Fraser
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It’s got to be good for all sorts of reasons that Braverman has gone. She was deliberately divisive, put personal ambition above party and country and, something that barely gats mentioned, she was hopeless at her job.
David Cameron back as Foreign Secretary, must admit that Sunak, the self proclaimed man of change, has surprised me with that one - the Greensill scandal will enable him to feel at home with this lot and most of them got the Brexit they wanted because of him.
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cyril evans awaydays
'The Rabbi preached a beautiful sermon about the need for those held hostage, those murdered-as well as for all those innocent Palestinians caught up in this Horrendous war' The innocent Palestinians arn't being Murdered or held hostage, they're just 'caught up'in this mess. The way someone would describe something trivial or general. Dear me.
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the other bob wilson
It’s got to be good for all sorts of reasons that Braverman has gone. She was deliberately divisive, put personal ambition above party and country and, something that barely gats mentioned, she was hopeless at her job.
David Cameron back as Foreign Secretary, must admit that Sunak, the self proclaimed man of change, has surprised me with that one - the Greensill scandal will enable him to feel at home with this lot and most of them got the Brexit they wanted because of him.
Sunak had to keep her for a bit as she backed him over Johnson, no surprise there really, he held on way too long though. Dodgy Dave is experienced, he has the ability to dbate, he can say things without them coming across as hard line, even when what he is saying actually is.
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A Quiet Monkfish
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the other bob wilson
Four minutes of wasted time, the usual one eyed stuff that has led us to what happened on 7 October - no attempt to try and find common ground and reads like it’s a game of goodies v baddies.
Giles Fraser has always taken this liberal pro-Israel position even when he was writing for the Guardian/Observer decades ago.
Like so many commentators and politicians like him he deliberately mixes real examples of anti semitism with slogans, chants or opinions that are clearly not anti semitic - unless criticism of Israel is anti semitism, which it is for fans of the 'new anti semitism'. It is not lazy or confused - it is deliberate.
For Fraser a poster with Netanyahu wearing horns like the devil is anti semitic.
For Fraser (and Braverman and James) 'from the river to the sea' is clearly an anti semitic call for the eradication of Jewish people from Israel/Palestine - even though he concedes that is not what the people using the chant (many of them Jewish) mean at all! They mean the eradication of state racism and oppression, and the creation of peace and freedom.
For Fraser the victims of Hamas were murdered; the victims of Netanyahu got caught up in the conflict.
This is one small piece of a campaign to ban the Palestine solidarity marches and silence the criticism of Israel's state ideology and genocidal attacks on Gaza and the West Bank.
Since 7 October reports of anti semitism in the UK have risen tenfold; of Islamophobia sixfold. Many/most of those reports are of real incidents of physical attacks, graffiti, property damage discrimination and must be stopped - whether someone on a march or not (usually not).
But where one part of one community feels distress because their uncritical support for a state thousands of miles away is being challenged - the problem doesn't lie with the demonstrators. And it would be progress if some of the politicians and commentators showed a similar level of concern for the distress of another community whose relatives and co-religionists are being killed (burnt, crushed, dismembered) by a war machine that had the green light from the majority of western governments.
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Couple of interesting articles on all this
Founder of momentum says left-wingers in denial.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tinian-slogans
Give police more powers to stem 10 fold rise in antisemitic attacks - ex Labour MP.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...ays-uk-adviser
The net is tightening and rightly so IMO.
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JamesWales
Of course Jon Lansman is Jewish and so it would not be unexpected that he might be conflicted.
It's a great pity people have entrenched views and vent their anger upon others who have no involvement in the conflict. The best course of action would be for the ordinary people of both sides to unite and focus their condemnation on the two terrorist protagonists in all of this.
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I thought it a predictable and very poor piece.
The writer skimmed over the right wing aggression almost grudgingly and apparently obligatorily.
He rather obsessively focused on antisemitic tropes being bandied about without attempting to explore the reasons behind this developing issue. He also rather failed to separate out antisemitism from antizionism and proceeded to conflate the two. That was a major disappointment but not unexpected.
Of course it has since been pointed out that he does have skin in the game.
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cyril evans awaydays
He's a priest and a conservative voter
Absolute plum
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JamesWales
You don't care about anti semitism , alleged or real and don't know the difference between this and anti zionism
You only care about your ego and the fact its been bruised
You talk on here as if YOU are leading the fight against interfaith disputes in this country and its DISGUSTING that its going on and I CALLED IT OUT .....YES ME .......LISTEN TO ME .......
You complete chump
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Dorcus
Of course Jon Lansman is Jewish and so it would not be unexpected that he might be conflicted.
It's a great pity people have entrenched views and vent their anger upon others who have no involvement in the conflict. The best course of action would be for the ordinary people of both sides to unite and focus their condemnation on the two terrorist protagonists in all of this.
Jon Lansman switched horses 4 years ago - and stepped down as Momentum chair 3 years ago. He has been on a rapid journey to the right and has embraced Zionism. His comments are no surprise.
I don't think it has much to do with him being Jewish. He says he is an atheist - but politically he has got into bed with the JLM (the pro Israel/Zionist group in Labour - made up of Jewish and non Jewish members) and denounced the JVL (the anti Israel/Zionist group in Labour - made up of Jewish members).
Lansman is beginning to sound a bit like John Mann, John Woodcock (the link above) and Ian Austin - all non-Jewish cheerleaders for Zionism and apartheid Israel. There are tens of thousands of UK Jewish people who disagree totally with them - and have taken part in the Palestine demonstrations and in many cases have chanted 'From the river to the sea' and know it is an anti-racist chant, not an anti semitic one.
Meanwhile in Gaza and the West Bank the bodies continue to pile up whilst most of the world watches. At least some are prepared to take a stand for peace and justice - whatever their heritage.
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Jon Lansman switched horses 4 years ago - and stepped down as Momentum chair 3 years ago. He has been on a rapid journey to the right and has embraced Zionism. His comments are no surprise.
I don't think it has much to do with him being Jewish. He says he is an atheist - but politically he has got into bed with the JLM (the pro Israel/Zionist group in Labour - made up of Jewish and non Jewish members) and denounced the JVL (the anti Israel/Zionist group in Labour - made up of Jewish members).
Lansman is beginning to sound a bit like John Mann, John Woodcock (the link above) and Ian Austin - all non-Jewish cheerleaders for Zionism and apartheid Israel. There are tens of thousands of UK Jewish people who disagree totally with them - and have taken part in the Palestine demonstrations and in many cases have chanted 'From the river to the sea' and know it is an anti-racist chant, not an anti semitic one.
Meanwhile in Gaza and the West Bank the bodies continue to pile up whilst most of the world watches. At least some are prepared to take a stand for peace and justice - whatever their heritage.
John Mann is a regular on talk tv , I thought he was related to Netanyahu he's so biased
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You don't care about anti semitism , alleged or real and don't know the difference between this and anti zionism
You only care about your ego and the fact its been bruised
You talk on here as if YOU are leading the fight against interfaith disputes in this country and its DISGUSTING that its going on and I CALLED IT OUT .....YES ME .......LISTEN TO ME .......
You complete chump
What a ridiculous man you are sometimes, Sludge.
