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Complete stitch up
JW is going to come out with a few fairy stories but that's to be expected
Its incredible how the poor innocent Jewish football fans theme has emerged out of this
The behaviour of the Tel aviv fans back at the airport is appalling
But I suppose if the media and politicians are all serving up the same cobblers it's easy to do what you like
Which is exactly what they have done here
Complete stitch up
Apparently and last night I believe, a group of Zionists organised a rally in Paris with the express purpose of raising money to help fund the Israeli war effort in the Middle East. Naturally, there were counter protests and the event fizzled out, thankfully with little or minimal violence.
The Zionists even had the nerve to invite Netanyahu's right hand man, the extremist Smotrich to attend the rally but, behind the scenes, he was persuaded not to go to Paris. The mind boggles!!!
France is due to play Israel in Paris over the weekend. One wonders how that will play out.
For about three 14th time Sludge. This video refers to a specific video. It doesn't refer to the entirety of events that took place over 48 hours and for which far more comprehensive analysis exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You think youve unearthed some kind of silver bullet but you really have not. Not if you are interested in the wider story of the whole event that is.
I've posted numerous links on that. Cyril posted a formal report from the authorities yesterday and I know you have seen that as he corrected you on the gender and politics or the mayor of Amsterdam.
If you really think this video is the story of the week then I guess that's up to you. It's pretty clear you are pretty welded to that position and it really is pointless going round in circles any more.
They are playing tonight! Kicks off in one minute!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I sincerely hope there's no violence. I get the impression the French police are well prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Whack on channel 4 news now. They are talking about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
There's 4000 police on duty
I'm watching it on Spanish news now. Only 15000 spectators allowed in an 80,000 capacity stadiumQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yes channel 4 news just said 20,000 and 150 away fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Ladies and GentlemanQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Please put your hands together for Mr JW
Chief Information Officer
Zionist State Of Israel
Welsh Division
If he says its raining check outside
Don't be a twat your entire life, Sludge 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You have been rinsedQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Go and watch the end of the England game there's a good boy
I really haven't at all, quite the opposite, but I can see that you like to believe whatever you fancy, so don't let me stop you! 😊Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Have you apologised to Sludge and the other guys yet JW? I think you should.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
🤣 Im sure you do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
It's not too late, I am sure they will forgive you.
You are out for the count on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's you defending the Netanyahu fibbers against the rest
I mean if you , as always , think you are right then that's entirely your perogative but like the Israel propaganda machine you are being mocked
You were all over this like a rash at the start but you are just popping up like a blind sniper now
Shooting blanks
In some ways I admire your stubborn refusal to allow yourself to admit like all of us you can be a fanny but when it's as bad as this i think no , bollocks to you
Yes it is , he's a fannyQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Oh you haveQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It happens to us all
You simply can't handle that though
It's incredibly childish and coming from me that's not a compliment
It's no use you posting here, just make sure you send your killer video to the Dutch parliament before the debate tomorrow Sludge. Clearly they aren't as in the know as you!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
More liars attacking those innocent lovely tel aviv fansQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://youtu.be/ucnAxPXEuQs?si=ca_6lhpdP8U-iKvM
You seem to be mistaking me for someone who has claimed they did nothing when I acknowledged that in literally the very first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Maybe if you read that properly you wouldn't no he seeking out videos from corners of the internet that prove nothing about the wider picture?
Right, you’ve explained what your first and fifty sixth messages in this thread are about, what about the other fifty four?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Essentially saying the same message when Sludge or someone else has mentioned my name and expected a different response! That antisemitic attacks occured and they were not justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Is the thread a waste of time? Sure!
Strange, I could have sworn many of them were defending mainstream media channels and many Governments from completely misrepresenting what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Nope!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think you're telling porkies now, but, if you aren't, are you telling me that you've spent fifty eight posts now in this thread agreeing with the people you're arguing with?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's you that's gone to the corners of the internet to find videos that refer to small parts of the events Bob. Not me. I've stuck to reports the authorities have produced that take account of everything..unlike Double Down news and Owen Jones!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The start of this thread was essentially in the tone of "they got their coppupance". I entirely disagree with that. I do entirely agree there was trouble on both sides but that what followed wasn't justified. It's no more complex than that.
In this instance, you have to go to the corners of the internet as you call it to correct the misrepresentation in the places you would normally tend to look to get a balanced view of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You’re now saying you have not denied that the trouble started with the Tel Aviv fans and that the mainstream media were wrong in the way they reported it - are you sure?
Owen Jones and Novarra Media both explicitly agreed that there were examples of anti semitic words and actions in the later stages of the violence. But with Double Down News and other similar reports they have taken the media reporting of the whole event, the statements of European and American politicians, and the deliberate distortion of video footage to show that a dishonest account has been presented to the public. An account that serves a particular, disgraceful political agenda. One that has not been corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You have chosen to ignore that. You accept that some Tel aviv fans misbehaved. You seem to accept (though find it hard to say) that the video clips, used to illustrate most of the initial media and political coverage, was an inversion of reality. But you think that is all marginal and insignificant. You think the incidents of some anti semitic social media posts and anti semitic language used in a few of the recorded confrontations is the story. You seem to think there was a pogrom in Amsterdam? You have decided to nail your colours to the mast of Joe Biden, Geert Wilders and his Prime Minister place man and Benjamin Netanyahu. It is no more complex than that.
The trouble started with Maccabi fans. The antisemitism that followed (widely confirmed by multiple sources) was not acceptable and is inexcusable. There seems to have been at least one video that was misrepresented out of hundreds. It's no more complicated than that Bob and it never has been. For believing that antisemitic violence took place and arguing that it cannot be justified, I've been called a Zionist, drama queen, defender of Israel, idiot, sanctimonious ponce, condemning people to death, having a view that would have made the Holocaust worse, comparing it to kristallnacht, indifferent to "wanton Arab slaughter", having " extreme beliefs", far-right, fascist, biased, supporting hatred of Muslims, telling fairy stories,..."Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
All for what? For believing the reports from the authorities responsible for the city in which it happened.
Its classic conspiracy theory stuff. And there's a place for that but placing more emphasis on a video that shows one incident over summaries from authorties that take a holistic view of the whole event - that's conspiracy theory stuff. Congratulations.
If you are accepting that antisemitic attacks happened and they are entirely unacceptable and cannot be excused then we disagree on nothing Jon.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Ash Sanker is a top quality commentatorQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
If you were in a room with her arguing over the serious matter of press interweaving with right and far right politics ......very dangerous in the case of Israel .....she would hang you out to dry
She's far more intelligent than me so I am just going to leave you looking like an idiot
Minor clashes ....Holocaust revivalQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Take your pick
You really are an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
If you think the observations of ash sanker are crass , throwaway remarks of a conspiracy theory nature then that says so much about you
I am dumbfounded at you , more so than usual
Well , well , well moderate Jewish commentators saying this was stoked up by the right and the stupidity or compliance of the politicians and media getting swept along with itQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Wilders , Netanyahu......its a pogram ....before you know it everyone is weighing in .....including JW on here
These commentators, including Jewish ones based in Amsterdam, who have criticised the ridiculous and dangerous coverage and statements .....must be wrong and conspiracy nutters ......and JW ? .....well he's obviously been right ( wing) all along
Basically if someone doesn't want to believe the truth because it clashes with their cherished views then the truth will be trashed. It's as simple as that.
I certainly agree that anti-Jewish attacks on entirely innocent people are to be condemned and, although some of the Israelis certainly provoked a reaction, in an ideal world, people could have shown more restraint.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
However, I wonder if you would agree that the wanton slaughter of innocent children and blatant genocide are not useful tactics for Israel to adopt to foster more congenial attitudes towards its people?
I found it sickening last night in Paris that for a routine football event the French president made a point of attending the game in an official capacity. Also the Star of David was allowed to be displayed in the stadium but not the Palestinian flag. That's gross hypocrisy. Also when the Israeli anthem was being played it was loudly booed but, what did the French authorities do; they turned the sound of the anthem up louder. Classic suppression of protest. That's totally undemocratic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
This thread proves we disagree on most things - especially what happened and why it was dishonestly presented as it was. Not just the video clips from Annet de Graaf and others, but the whole sequence of events. We may agree on some details - but on the big picture we are on different planets. You have nailed your colours to a rotten mast!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales