"I'm convinced that death is not the end for us whatever happens after that"

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

And then you get some muppet who comes out with this. Get a life.

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Why not comment on the content of the poster concerned rather than steam in with an ad hominem attack and without making your viewpoint clear to anyone else?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

And then you get some muppet who comes out with this. Get a life.

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I have a good life thanx great family,health and always look for positives in every thing.
Wake up in the morning with a great attitude whats not to like.
I have been called worst than a muppet and by better people.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Why not comment on the content of the poster concerned rather than steam in with an ad hominem attack and without making your viewpoint clear to anyone else?

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You complain about one poster not sharing their considered views in one post! Yet you often make over a hundreds post in a month without ever sharing any specific views whatsoever!

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

You complain about one poster not sharing their considered views in one post! Yet you often make over a hundreds post in a month without ever sharing any specific views whatsoever!

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Oh, it's the defeated one again. Trapped in his own lies but still comes out fighting with more fabrication.

I respond openly to questions from posters on here and only you seem to imagine some sort of evasion that doesn't exist.

Go and bug someone else with your nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I respond openly to questions from posters on here and only you seem to imagine some sort of evasion that doesn't exist.

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Indeed, your scores of evasive posts are just a complete Bobby Ewing in the shower moment and my detailed answers to your empty accusations never happened.

Have another great week in the Twilight Zone :wave:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Indeed, your scores of evasive posts are just a complete Bobby Ewing in the shower moment and my detailed answers to your empty accusations never happened.

Have another great week in the Twilight Zone :wave:

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You lied about me a number of times.
I asked you repeatedly to substantiate your lies.
You couldn't because they were total fabrications.
It's game over. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You lied about me a number of times.
I asked you repeatedly to substantiate your lies.
You couldn't because they were total fabrications.
It's game over. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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All the best with your need for attention because you are going to need another individual to pester for now as this is my last post back to you here or anywhere until you have anything to say that is an actual contribution to the thread in question. Shalom.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

All the best with your need for attention because you are going to need another individual to pester for now as this is my last post back to you here or anywhere until you have anything to say that is an actual contribution to the thread in question. Shalom.

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My prayers have been answered!

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Originally Posted by jeepster

What makes you think are right and we are wrong?Besides a book of fables old wives stories and a talking donkey? Natural fear of what?

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You are wrong about what exactly?
Attacking someone else's position may get you a pat on the back from fellow skeptics but it doesn't provide you with a position of your own!?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

You are wrong about what exactly?
Attacking someone else's position may get you a pat on the back from fellow skeptics but it doesn't provide you with a position of your own!?

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You have a cheek to say attacking someone else, you do it constantly and with lies.
I am quite happy with my position based on fact not passages from a made up book.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

You have a cheek to say attacking someone else, you do it constantly and with lies.
I am quite happy with my position based on fact not passages from a made up book.

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Another 'invisible' position - please let there be someone with a view that comes fitted with a backbone :shrug:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Another 'invisible' position - please let there be someone with a view that comes fitted with a backbone :shrug:

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You are so so tedious just a monotone one trick pony just like a snake oil salesman.
Just pushing a load of rubbish that you want us to think is the truth.
If any thing is invisible is your god.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

You are so so tedious just a monotone one trick pony just like a snake oil salesman.
Just pushing a load of rubbish that you want us to think is the truth.
If any thing is invisible is your god.

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Jesus Christ was visible both before and after His Resurrection and this was written about by multiple historians OUTSIDE the bible. So it turns out that you are the liar. I have lied about nobody here, so start checking your facts and set aside the lazy wishful thinking.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Jesus Christ was visible both before and after His Resurrection and this was written about by multiple historians OUTSIDE the bible. So it turns out that you are the liar. I have lied about nobody here, so start checking your facts and set aside the lazy wishful thinking.

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It is not wishful thinking to conclude that you are nothing but a fraudulent purveyor of absolute cack - and consistently dishonest with it.

Your only frame of reference is your own fantasy world - and because others don’t accept the illogic of your echo chamber you dismiss their opinions, their views and their arguments - developed over a lifetime.

Very few of the posters who have challenged you on here have a complete alternative to your book. They don’t need to. A partial understanding and framework for understanding the world is something of value. You on the other hand - through fear or cultural pressure or infantile credulousness - have taken the cult’s version of a belief system that was dominant for centuries, removed any element of questioning or self-doubt, and taken it on yourself to blitz CCMB for over a decade with literal, dogmatic, reactionary bullshit.

I realise that Gofer, Dave Blue and others share most if not all of your views. But they behave very differently and get some space and respect (if equal rejection of their views) as a result.

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It is not wishful thinking to conclude that you are nothing but a fraudulent purveyor of absolute cack - and consistently dishonest with it.

Your only frame of reference is your own fantasy world - and because others don’t accept the illogic of your echo chamber you dismiss their opinions, their views and their arguments - developed over a lifetime.

Very few of the posters who have challenged you on here have a complete alternative to your book. They don’t need to. A partial understanding and framework for understanding the world is something of value. You on the other hand - through fear or cultural pressure or infantile credulousness - have taken the cult’s version of a belief system that was dominant for centuries, removed any element of questioning or self-doubt, and taken it on yourself to blitz CCMB for over a decade with literal, dogmatic, reactionary bullshit.

I realise that Gofer, Dave Blue and others share most if not all of your views. But they behave very differently and get some space and respect (if equal rejection of their views) as a result.

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We are not androids, all having the same approach, the same for your own kingdom, you all have differing ways of making your points. Jesus was sometimes softly spoken because that's what was called for, when challenged He was often direct and blunt, pointing out that even the religious Jews were only serving their father, the devil.

You say that I have in the case of unbelievers, "dismissed their opinions, their views and their arguments" - and I say....

What ARGUMENTS/ VIEWS/ OPINIONS??

You and they are so precious when it comes to wheeling out your (their) own arguments that they are lightly to remain in darkness longer than the dead sea scrolls!

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Jesus Christ was visible both before and after His Resurrection and this was written about by multiple historians OUTSIDE the bible. So it turns out that you are the liar. I have lied about nobody here, so start checking your facts and set aside the lazy wishful thinking.

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No he was not,just people who were not even there at the time, writing about something that did not even see.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

No he was not,just people who were not even there at the time, writing about something that did not even see.

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More hopeful imagination I see :facepalm:

Tacitus (56-120AD)
Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame:

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

In this account, Tacitus confirms several historical elements of the Biblical narrative: Jesus lived in Judea, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and had followers who were persecuted for their faith in Christ.

Jesus definitely lived. He was put on this Earth by aliens as a means to keep people like Truthpaste in order. You read it here first :thumbup:

Can we get back to talking about life after death, please?

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Jesus definitely lived. He was put on this Earth by aliens as a means to keep people like Truthpaste in order. You read it here first :thumbup:

Can we get back to talking about life after death, please?

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Well the fact that Jesus was here, died and was then seen again alive after that isn't a separate subject to life after death! Especially as He is the only individual to claim He would master the problem of death and He did!

Also that we could each benefit from His mastery of death should we choose to be part of His Kingdom.

So what does your alien narritive offer you that's better than Christ and what have they done to prove to you that they have the means to pull it off?

Well, I don't choose to be part of his kingdom, I choose to be part of our kingdom. There is no greater being like God. The buck stops with us and our collective consciousness and there is nothing greater than that. All backed up by thousands of testimonies of people - alive today (NDEs, remote viewing, eye witness accounts and experiences) not a 2000+ year old book. Backed up by quantum physics too.

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Well, I don't choose to be part of his kingdom, I choose to be part of our kingdom. There is no greater being like God. The buck stops with us and our collective consciousness and there is nothing greater than that. All backed up by thousands of testimonies of people - alive today (NDEs, remote viewing, eye witness accounts and experiences) not a 2000+ year old book. Backed up by quantum physics too.

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1. So you claim there is NO Creator God?

2. All your 'evidences' are a million miles from a Man living among us for 33 years and proving all that He declared to be true including His power over death.

3. NDEs, remote viewing etc are all abstract (and offer nothing as verifiable as Christ's claims) and none of the evidence they provide discredits one statement in the Bible?

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1. So you claim there is NO Creator God?

2. All your 'evidences' are a million miles from a Man living among us for 33 years and proving all that He declared to be true including His power over death.

3. NDEs, remote viewing etc are all abstract (and offer nothing as verifiable as Christ's claims) and none of the evidence they provide discredits one statement in the Bible?

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Your first statement is correct. As for 2 and 3? I don’t even know where to begin with those. When I’ve stopped laughing I might get around to addressing them.

Fecking hell why are you wasting all your time with a religious nutcase ?

They are never wrong , ever

God helps them

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1. So you claim there is NO Creator God?

2. All your 'evidences' are a million miles from a Man living among us for 33 years and proving all that He declared to be true including His power over death.

3. NDEs, remote viewing etc are all abstract (and offer nothing as verifiable as Christ's claims) and none of the evidence they provide discredits one statement in the Bible?

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For someone who claims to be a christian and have christian values, you don't half come across as a massive cuunt.

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For someone who claims to be a christian and have christian values, you don't half come across as a massive cuunt.

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Not the way i would have put it but not far from the truth:thumbup:

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Your first statement is correct. As for 2 and 3? I don’t even know where to begin with those. When I’ve stopped laughing I might get around to addressing them.

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Your claim that there is no God is simply wishful thinking as (like most people) you would rather not be held accountable for your thoughts & deeds.

With 2 there is historical evidence, so laugh all you like.

With 3 you will need to address this as it remains complete froth with no logical evidence for it's *origin even if these entities prove to be unmentioned in Scripture. I'll await your explanation.

*How these entities supposedly came to be.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Your claim that there is no God is simply wishful thinking as (like most people) you would rather not be held accountable for your thoughts & deeds.

With 2 there is historical evidence, so laugh all you like.

With 3 you will need to address this as it remains complete froth with no logical evidence for it's *origin even if these entities prove to be unmentioned in Scripture. I'll await your explanation.

*How these entities supposedly came to be.

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Your claim that there is a god is simply wishful thinking based on yor terror of death and irrational belief that you will be able to bore rigid anyone in earshot ( or the online version of earshot) for an eternity. Not even the most fabulous made-up god could be that cruel!

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Your claim that there is no God is simply wishful thinking as (like most people) you would rather not be held accountable for your thoughts & deeds.

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There's no correlation between those two things afaic. And no wishful thinking on my part - just basic, common sense. As for accountability, I hold myself accountable. I know that I am a good person. I have morals. There's a name for this and you know it - humanism.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

With 2 [All your 'evidences' are a million miles from a Man living among us for 33 years and proving all that He declared to be true including His power over death] there is historical evidence, so laugh all you like.

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How can you say that? You're talking about a man who lived 2000 years ago and you'd rather believe him than thousands of people alive today. And all you can do is quote a 2000+ year old book - how many times do we have to keep making this point? My evidences come from testimonies of thousands of people living TODAY. In fact, there is way more proof that aliens exist than God does. No, correction - in fact, there's zero proof that God exists. I don't need to tell you this, but your faith in God is just that - faith. That's the whole premise of religion isn't it, including yours (yes, I know yours isn't an organised religion, but so). Happy is the man who has not seen and yet believes. Right?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

With 3 you will need to address this as it remains complete froth with no logical evidence for it's *origin even if these entities prove to be unmentioned in Scripture. I'll await your explanation.

*How these entities supposedly came to be.

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Sorry, how are Christ's claims verifiable exactly? If they were, we would all be believers, right? It's laughable that you refer to all my claims as froth. As I said above, there is evidence to support mine, unlike yours. The fact that aliens are not mentioned in the Bible (actually - a lot of it could be interpreted as such, but that's another conversation), doesn't mean to say that they're not real. The idea of a collective consciousness that is everlasting is entirely logical to me - the idea that there is a supreme being is not.

A lot of remote viewing experiences actually confirm a lot of things written in the Bible. But they also offer a more compelling alternative view, which includes alien involvement. We're not too far away from alien disclosure, so maybe we can return to this topic then?

You say you KNOW that you are a good person?

What is your definition of GOOD and how do you know you fall into that bracket?

* I will address your other points once this first issue is clarified.

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What is your definition of GOOD and how do you know you fall into that bracket?

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At first, I thought what a bizarre question to ask. But then the more I thought about it, the more I realised my definition of a good person will be different from yours, so thanks for asking.

For me, a good person is one who puts others before themselves so is kind and considerate. One who identifies when people are in need and goes out of their way to help out. This is why I could ever vote for a right wing party as these are people just put themselves and their country first over others.

A good person will not judge others on their age, gender, sexuality or race. If I was to be politically correct here, I should include religion here too, but I can't. For example, I cannot respect people who deny their innocent children from life saving medical treatment and are happy to put their child's fate in God's hands. That to me, is just pure evil. Besides, those first four characteristics are ones that people have no choice over. Religion on the other hand is one that people do have a choice by the time they get to a certain age, where they can draw their own conclusions. But at the risk of stating the obvious, being of a religious persuasion doesn't make you either a good or bad person. That's down to the individual.

That said, I'm not perfect, but then nobody is. Sometimes I wish I could control my anger better. The things that get me angry are all bad things happening in the world. Violence and hatred is everywhere including but not limited to the Middle East, Ukraine and parts of Africa. Everything is so divisive these days and I no doubt play my part in that by calling out the likes of the Tories, Reform, Trump and the whole MAGA movement. Sometimes I wish I could be more like a Buddhist. Ever seen a Buddhist get angry? Lots to learn from them, I think.

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At first, I thought what a bizarre question to ask. But then the more I thought about it, the more I realised my definition of a good person will be different from yours, so thanks for asking.

For me, a good person is one who puts others before themselves so is kind and considerate. One who identifies when people are in need and goes out of their way to help out. This is why I could ever vote for a right wing party as these are people just put themselves and their country first over others.

A good person will not judge others on their age, gender, sexuality or race. If I was to be politically correct here, I should include religion here too, but I can't. For example, I cannot respect people who deny their innocent children from life saving medical treatment and are happy to put their child's fate in God's hands. That to me, is just pure evil. Besides, those first four characteristics are ones that people have no choice over. Religion on the other hand is one that people do have a choice by the time they get to a certain age, where they can draw their own conclusions. But at the risk of stating the obvious, being of a religious persuasion doesn't make you either a good or bad person. That's down to the individual.

That said, I'm not perfect, but then nobody is. Sometimes I wish I could control my anger better. The things that get me angry are all bad things happening in the world. Violence and hatred is everywhere including but not limited to the Middle East, Ukraine and parts of Africa. Everything is so divisive these days and I no doubt play my part in that by calling out the likes of the Tories, Reform, Trump and the whole MAGA movement. Sometimes I wish I could be more like a Buddhist. Ever seen a Buddhist get angry? Lots to learn from them, I think.

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Do you think that being a Christian is incompatible with having an unpleasant persona, Stevo?

Nah, some Christians are good people, some are pure evil. Like I said, it's down to the individual, not the religion itself.

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Do you think that being a Christian is incompatible with having an unpleasant persona, Stevo?

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Someone who doesn't suffer fools gladly is following Godly wisdom; it may seem to be harsh to the listener, but yelling loudly at someone who is walking casually towards a cliff edge may at first seem out of place, but in the end it is showing concern for the safety of the individual, which is quite the opposite.
Furthermore, someone highlighting the glaring contraditions in a world view is being the opposite of 'unpleasant'.

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Someone who doesn't suffer fools gladly is following Godly wisdom; it may seem to be harsh to the listener, but yelling loudly at someone who is walking casually towards a cliff edge may at first seem out of place, but in the end it is showing concern for the safety of the individual, which is quite the opposite.
Furthermore, someone highlighting the glaring contraditions in a world view is being the opposite of 'unpleasant'.

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Nah. You are simply unpleasant, dishonest and have been caught lying repeatedly. Not very Christian at all.

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Originally Posted by stevo

At first, I thought what a bizarre question to ask. But then the more I thought about it, the more I realised my definition of a good person will be different from yours, so thanks for asking.

For me, a good person is one who puts others before themselves so is kind and considerate. One who identifies when people are in need and goes out of their way to help out. This is why I could ever vote for a right wing party as these are people just put themselves and their country first over others.

A good person will not judge others on their age, gender, sexuality or race. If I was to be politically correct here, I should include religion here too, but I can't. For example, I cannot respect people who deny their innocent children from life saving medical treatment and are happy to put their child's fate in God's hands. That to me, is just pure evil. Besides, those first four characteristics are ones that people have no choice over. Religion on the other hand is one that people do have a choice by the time they get to a certain age, where they can draw their own conclusions. But at the risk of stating the obvious, being of a religious persuasion doesn't make you either a good or bad person. That's down to the individual.

That said, I'm not perfect, but then nobody is. Sometimes I wish I could control my anger better. The things that get me angry are all bad things happening in the world. Violence and hatred is everywhere including but not limited to the Middle East, Ukraine and parts of Africa. Everything is so divisive these days and I no doubt play my part in that by calling out the likes of the Tories, Reform, Trump and the whole MAGA movement. Sometimes I wish I could be more like a Buddhist. Ever seen a Buddhist get angry? Lots to learn from them, I think.

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Thanks for investing your consideration into the question instead of what can be knee jerk reactions by some on this and other boards.

When called 'good' by one individual, Jesus asked - "Why do you call me good?” ... “Only God is truly good".

You also said, "But at the risk of stating the obvious, being of a religious persuasion doesn't make you either a good or bad person. That's down to the individual".

I would say, any religion that says you can become religious and therefore be accepted by God as good enough is 100% lying to you. When Jesus met a very religious man to attending the local temple three times each day (!!) He didn't congratulate him, he told him he lacked something.

You see, like you, Nicodemus (in John 3) was a very "good" person, but Jesus told Him (in effect), to be accepted by God He needed a to be born again/ born from above, or if you like, he required a 'heart' operation. This would give him new priorities, a new direction, the power of God working within him and a new final destination.

Of course unlike you Nicodemus was extremely religious, but in the end, his religion only gave him false hope, Nicodemus knew there was an Almighty God, he knew lots about this Almighty God, but he didn't yet KNOW this God, ie he didn't know Him personally!
Yet stood in front of him was Jesus Christ, as Matthew 1:23 wrote of Him, 'Immanuel, God with us'.

Then you said, "I'm not perfect, but then nobody is. Sometimes I wish I could control my anger better. The things that get me angry are all bad things happening in the world. Violence and hatred is everywhere"

Even if you choose to repent and serve Christ for all your earthly days you won't ever be perfect down here, but thankfully that's not the aim anyway. Peter before he received the Holy Spirit was hot headed and often acted before he thought. After he accepted Christ and had the Holy Spirit he was a powerful evangelist, but he was still in some ways that hot headed individual. God starts working on us and we do change in some ways, but God isn't looking to wipe our 'hard drive' and replace it with Mr Perfect! Thankfully He accepts us just as we are, warts and all. As you will have noticed, my feisty no nonsense approach is very different to some Christians, but just as there was room for a John & Paul who were more measured as individuals, there was also room for the occasionally impetuous Peter.

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Nah. You are simply unpleasant, dishonest and have been caught lying repeatedly. Not very Christian at all.

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Whereas you have constantly been caught running from the meat of many conversations while spewing meaningless comments into them anyway! Furthermore I have not been caught lying at all, maybe I have by the Kangaroo Court that seems to inhabit your mind; but the one who pulls the strings in there was a liar from the beginning; so I fully understand why you think as you do.

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Whereas you have constantly been caught running from the meat of many conversations while spewing meaningless comments into them anyway! Furthermore I have not been caught lying at all, maybe I have by the Kangaroo Court that seems to inhabit your mind; but the one who pulls the strings in there was a liar from the beginning; so I fully understand why you think as you do.

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No kangarooo court involved. You made a number of accusations and when challenged couldn't evidence them. Game over.

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Thanks for investing your consideration into the question instead of what can be knee jerk reactions by some on this and other boards.

When called 'good' by one individual, Jesus asked - "Why do you call me good?” ... “Only God is truly good".

You also said, "But at the risk of stating the obvious, being of a religious persuasion doesn't make you either a good or bad person. That's down to the individual".

I would say, any religion that says you can become religious and therefore be accepted by God as good enough is 100% lying to you. When Jesus met a very religious man to attending the local temple three times each day (!!) He didn't congratulate him, he told him he lacked something.

You see, like you, Nicodemus (in John 3) was a very "good" person, but Jesus told Him (in effect), to be accepted by God He needed a to be born again/ born from above, or if you like, he required a 'heart' operation. This would give him new priorities, a new direction, the power of God working within him and a new final destination.

Of course unlike you Nicodemus was extremely religious, but in the end, his religion only gave him false hope, Nicodemus knew there was an Almighty God, he knew lots about this Almighty God, but he didn't yet KNOW this God, ie he didn't know Him personally!
Yet stood in front of him was Jesus Christ, as Matthew 1:23 wrote of Him, 'Immanuel, God with us'.

Then you said, "I'm not perfect, but then nobody is. Sometimes I wish I could control my anger better. The things that get me angry are all bad things happening in the world. Violence and hatred is everywhere"

Even if you choose to repent and serve Christ for all your earthly days you won't ever be perfect down here, but thankfully that's not the aim anyway. Peter before he received the Holy Spirit was hot headed and often acted before he thought. After he accepted Christ and had the Holy Spirit he was a powerful evangelist, but he was still in some ways that hot headed individual. God starts working on us and we do change in some ways, but God isn't looking to wipe our 'hard drive' and replace it with Mr Perfect! Thankfully He accepts us just as we are, warts and all. As you will have noticed, my feisty no nonsense approach is very different to some Christians, but just as there was room for a John & Paul who were more measured as individuals, there was also room for the occasionally impetuous Peter.

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I think your definition of a good person is hidden in there somewhere, but you’re not making this obvious.

For me though, I’m not looking to be accepted by God because I don’t believe he exists. So, by your definition does that make me a bad person? I don’t think so.

As a side note, I apparently received the Holy Spirit when I was baptised and confirmed. I believed this to be the case at the time of my confirmation but obviously I no longer do. Does that mean I am a good person in your eyes? Probably not.

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I think your definition of a good person is hidden in there somewhere, but you’re not making this obvious.

For me though, I’m not looking to be accepted by God because I don’t believe he exists. So, by your definition does that make me a bad person? I don’t think so.

As a side note, I apparently received the Holy Spirit when I was baptised and confirmed. I believed this to be the case at the time of my confirmation but obviously I no longer do. Does that mean I am a good person in your eyes? Probably not.

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If truthpaste's god (and it couldn't be a 'he' in reality as gender in the ethereal world would be meaningless) does exist we can only hope that our plights on Judgement Day will be decided on real things that we have said and done as opposed to total fabrications.......

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I think your definition of a good person is hidden in there somewhere, but you’re not making this obvious.

For me though, I’m not looking to be accepted by God because I don’t believe he exists. So, by your definition does that make me a bad person? I don’t think so.

As a side note, I apparently received the Holy Spirit when I was baptised and confirmed. I believed this to be the case at the time of my confirmation but obviously I no longer do. Does that mean I am a good person in your eyes? Probably not.

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Ok, for clarity let's put aside my 'eyes' - if you do meet God (and the Bible and the claims of Christ have to be invalid for that to not happen) then my opinion is not the issue, it's the truth and God's views that WILL count.

OK, I appreciate that you've eliminated the role of God from your current thinking; yet you are left with two key issues:-

1. I don't see you currently having a robust or logical alternative for the creator/ sustainer of time, matter & space. Your current model simply points to alien life, and of course angels (for example), as they are not human, fall into that category. The Bible records fallen angels seriously interfering with mankind on more than one occasion, and very dramatically, so how do you know that your chosen 'deities' are not simply fallen angels feeding you the 'doctrines of demons'?

2. The Holy Spirit does not enter humans at the point of Baptism. That was something taught to you by religious individuals who obviously didn't understand God's Word. I can understand why you parked religious 'christianity' or churchianity as some label it, because it makes zero sense!

Does that mean I am a good person in your eyes? Probably not.

The Bible reveals to us that none of us are good people, it doesn't matter if we are atheist, agnostic, theistic or born again believers; 'for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' - the word sinner is used in sport, archery to be exact; it is called out when an arrow falls short of the target. We ALL FALL SHORT!

This is why we need a Saviour, we are not going to make it on our own, no matter how clued up, successful, powerful, wealthy or wise we may be; Jesus said, "I am the Way" - there is no plan B.