FT: CARDIFF CITY 1 - 1 OXFORD UTD. Match thread

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Originally Posted by olderblue

It’s a good question, maybe I’m looking at it from a different perspective
He’s a very wealthy guy, so won’t need to put up with stuff that maybe other coaches would, if they were appointed.

He’s an intelligent individual who has played at the highest level in a number of leagues, he’s probably able to leverage that in attracting some talented coaches and maybe loan players into the squad

I might be totally wrong, but I really don’t see how he can carry on playing with the amount of set backs he’s had with injuries, and if he chooses to go into a managerial role, where better to start
than his home town club?

I have no time for this current board, I think having someone who isn’t financially reliant on the job, puts him into a position of strength

To put it bluntly I doubt he’d take any crap from them

Also at the back of my mind is still the complete f&@£ up years ago when Toshack wanted to come back as a coach and the board at the time missed a massive opportunity to get a home grown player back

As I said earlier, I might be completely wrong

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I see what you are saying and I think he could make a Manager, I don't think it would be advisable here, we are a shit show, and we probably need an experienced old head thats been there and done the type of rebuild we need.

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Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub

New GK

New RB
Fish
Lawlor
Bagan

Robertson
J Colwill
R Colwill

Davies
Salech
New LW

Some half decent additions in those positions and I think we’d not be a complete waste of time in league one. In fact a competent manager would probably get us competing when you add the likes of O Dowda, Robinson, Turnbull, Ashford etc as good options and squad players, along with a few others.

Recruitment has to be right though and manager has to be right so that’s where it will probably all go wrong

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Agree with some of these but any midfield with Rubin Colwill in it is just too weak, he really needs shipping out with the rest of the deadwood this summer.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Part of me would love to see that young team in L1, part of me worries that they'd be bullied by the grizzly old L1 monsters

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I agree, I like the romantic notion of a young team storming through league 1 but I’m sure that team would be bullied off the ball! Joel Colwill has struggled in league 1 since moving from league 2, don’t think a midfield of both brothers would work

If Joe Ralls can stay fit he needs to be in our midfield. We need an experienced centre half too though having spent so much money on Daland I guess we’re going to have to persevere with him

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I agree, I like the romantic notion of a young team storming through league 1 but I’m sure that team would be bullied off the ball! Joel Colwill has struggled in league 1 since moving from league 2, don’t think a midfield of both brothers would work

If Joe Ralls can stay fit he needs to be in our midfield. We need an experienced centre half too though having spent so much money on Daland I guess we’re going to have to persevere with him

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Completely agree, I'm pretty certain Ramsey also gets extended now. Maybe he can somehow manage 20 games, though I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

The big challenge now is preparing for division one and planning how we’re going to get back up as early as possible!!

Who do we wan to lead us, if it isn’t Rambo(and I hope it is)?

Who stays and who can go?

I’ve seen it stated that some of the players don’t have clauses in their contracts once were relegated

That’s good, because I can’t think they’ll be a big queue too sign most of them

Youngsters aside, I doubt anyone from the Premier League are looking to swoop in and take a punt on any of our first team squad

In fact would any Championship team with ambition want any of them?

We’re going to be stuck with a lot of them unfortunately!!

The whole set up needs a reset from top to bottom especially recruitment

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Collectively you have a point. Individually, most of the current first team squad could improve in a new environment where more effective coaching techniques are employed. Rubin Colwill, for instance, has the potential to be an outstanding player somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

Collectively you have a point. Individually, most of the current first team squad could improve in a new environment where more effective coaching techniques are employed. Rubin Colwill, for instance, has the potential to be an outstanding player somewhere else.

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Debatable.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

Collectively you have a point. Individually, most of the current first team squad could improve in a new environment where more effective coaching techniques are employed. Rubin Colwill, for instance, has the potential to be an outstanding player somewhere else.

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No he doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

Collectively you have a point. Individually, most of the current first team squad could improve in a new environment where more effective coaching techniques are employed. Rubin Colwill, for instance, has the potential to be an outstanding player somewhere else.

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Has Rubin Colwill improved since he made his debut? In terms of major strides, I'd say no.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I agree, I like the romantic notion of a young team storming through league 1 but I’m sure that team would be bullied off the ball! Joel Colwill has struggled in league 1 since moving from league 2, don’t think a midfield of both brothers would work

If Joe Ralls can stay fit he needs to be in our midfield. We need an experienced centre half too though having spent so much money on Daland I guess we’re going to have to persevere with him

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We can't afford to sell Daland. He cost £3.5m, so next season he'll count as £2.8m on the books. We won't get more than 50p for him, so if we sell him, we have to register the £2.8m as a loss. He'll have to be loaned out, probably.

If we're going to have an experienced head in midfield next year could we have one who'll play most of the season? That'll rule out our two stalwarts.

Also, there's Eli King to come back so at least we'll have some League 1 experience there.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

If we're going to have an experienced head in midfield next year.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

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Ah.

King and Joel Colwill to play a big part in our midfield next year for me, plus assuming we hang onto Robertson and get a real manager he's looked very good there before for half a season. Will anyone want Chambers, if not there's your experienced head and he should be a level above with the step down.

Ruben debate has been done to death, I'm a huge fan but wonder if he just hasn't got the pace or fitness to succeed in the modern game. I think he'd look better in a less physical league but would anyone want him, maybe a second tier team in France or Spain would fit.

I think an experienced CB would be by far the highest on my shopping list, assuming we could keep hold of Salech and maybe Simic finds his level. Especially with the step up in physicality going into the season with the jokers we have there we'd get murdered.

If Colwill (R) isn't going to be a number 10 then perhaps League 1 is where he can learn to be an 8 or 6.

Next season we need an actual manager. Someone who makes players better. It is a bold strategy, only employed by about 80 of the 92 professional clubs but it might work.

I've long thought we'd be better off with a coach rather than a tactician (not that we've had that either) because we've got some talent that hasn't been developed. I'm not sure that's the case now, as we need to bounce back, and quickly.

Whatever division we are in we need a much stronger spine of the team.

Physically stronger cb, two ideally, someone in midfield who can actually tackle and break up play. Hopefully we can keep hold of Salech.

A captain that will likely be fit to play most matches.

The boring basics of any decent team.

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Originally Posted by Trigger

Whatever division we are in we need a much stronger spine of the team.

Physically stronger cb, two ideally, someone in midfield who can actually tackle and break up play. Hopefully we can keep hold of Salech.

A captain that will likely be fit to play most matches.

The boring basics of any decent team.

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Fish has impressed me in the last few games. Hopefully he can kick on now, he's young enough to do so. He's far better than the other big money centre half we bought.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Fish has impressed me in the last few games. Hopefully he can kick on now, he's young enough to do so. He's far better than the other big money centre half we bought.

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And it only took us about two thirds of a season to discover it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

And it only took us about two thirds of a season to discover it.

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After everyone else had a go. Daland getting 10 out of 11 games and getting subbed because he was so bad in 3 of them is some achievement :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

After everyone else had a go. Daland getting 10 out of 11 games and getting subbed because he was so bad in 3 of them is some achievement :hehe:

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Makes his solid debut v Swansea seen even more of a mystery

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Originally Posted by City123

Makes his solid debut v Swansea seen even more of a mystery

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In Leeds' third goal against us (he pretty quickly gets subbed after), he's in a great position in the back 5, and they're in a line. He completely stops, and is 5 yards out of position (at least) and James scores exactly where Daland should be clearing the ball. This is what bugs me about its all Riza's fault. They're set up correctly and they make stupid decisions.

He also got rag dolled by Macaulay Langstaff who is 5'10 with 1 Champ goal.

Having seen the replay a few times, does anyone still think Horvath "had no chance"? I didn't yesterday, and I certainly don't today. It was at a good height, not that far to his left, and from 35 yards out. He didn't even get his fingers to it. As the ball passed him, he still had his feet on the ground. ,

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Having seen the replay a few times, does anyone still think Horvath "had no chance"? I didn't yesterday, and I certainly don't today. It was at a good height, not that far to his left, and from 35 yards out. He didn't even get his fingers to it. As the ball passed him, he still had his feet on the ground. ,

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Horvath did indeed have no chance. Zero. Nil. It was a brilliant strike, very powerful and swerving away from the keeper from the moment it was hit. He had no chance whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Having seen the replay a few times, does anyone still think Horvath "had no chance"? I didn't yesterday, and I certainly don't today. It was at a good height, not that far to his left, and from 35 yards out. He didn't even get his fingers to it. As the ball passed him, he still had his feet on the ground. ,

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It was a great strike, going away from Horvath.

However the defensive set up for the free kick screams shoddy, lazy, half arrsed knobheads for me.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Horvath did indeed have no chance. Zero. Nil. It was a brilliant strike, very powerful and swerving away from the keeper from the moment it was hit. He had no chance whatsoever.

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Are you saying there's no chance that Horvath could save that because he's shit? Or that it's not possible for anyone to have saved that?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Are you saying there's no chance that Horvath could save that because he's shit? Or that it's not possible for anyone to have saved that?

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Of course it was possible for a keeper to have saved it if he happened to have been stood in the right area of the goal. Anyone can save anything if they are positioned where the shot goes.

However, on this occasion Horvath was completely blameless. His starting position was fine. It was just a brilliant strike. No keeper saves that.

https://www.skysports.com/football/v...atened-cardiff

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Of course it was possible for a keeper to have saved it if he happened to have been stood in the right area of the goal. Anyone can save anything if they are positioned where the shot goes.

However, on this occasion Horvath was completely blameless. His starting position was fine. It was just a brilliant strike. No keeper saves that.

https://www.skysports.com/football/v...atened-cardiff

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We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he should have done better.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he should have done better.

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Fair enough. I thought it was one of the best strikes I've ever seen live and all the talk afterwards was about it being an incredible effort. You're the only person I've read or heard who has suggested Horvath was somehow at fault. Although he's made some very good saves this season, I'm not in the least bit convinced by him, especially when he has the ball at his feet, but he had no chance with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW-qZMCi2lY

highlights

Still think the jack should have had a red

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Horvath did indeed have no chance. Zero. Nil. It was a brilliant strike, very powerful and swerving away from the keeper from the moment it was hit. He had no chance whatsoever.

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The ineffective wall also did a great job of blocking his view of the shot

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

The ineffective wall also did a great job of blocking his view of the shot

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the player closing down just doesn't do their job

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Fair enough. I thought it was one of the best strikes I've ever seen live and all the talk afterwards was about it being an incredible effort. You're the only person I've read or heard who has suggested Horvath was somehow at fault. Although he's made some very good saves this season, I'm not in the least bit convinced by him, especially when he has the ball at his feet, but he had no chance with this one.

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There is the line used by outfield football pundits who talk about how no keeper should be beaten by a shot from thirty yards or further out - Oxford’s goal showed that argument to be wrong, i don’t blame Horvarth at all for that goal and I don’t think the wall did much wrong. Where I’d criticise our defending is in the way we gave the free kick away.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There is the line used by outfield football pundits who talk about how no keeper should be beaten by a shot from thirty yards or further out - Oxford’s goal showed that argument to be wrong, i don’t blame Horvarth at all for that goal and I don’t think the wall did much wrong. Where I’d criticise our defending is in the way we gave the free kick away.

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It looked like a tired challenge from Mannswerk at the time - but I haven't seen it again since.
A real shame as we had comprehensively won the midfield battle up to that point

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There is the line used by outfield football pundits who talk about how no keeper should be beaten by a shot from thirty yards or further out - Oxford’s goal showed that argument to be wrong, i don’t blame Horvarth at all for that goal and I don’t think the wall did much wrong. Where I’d criticise our defending is in the way we gave the free kick away.

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The wall didn't react well to the ball being rolled to the side for the player to hit. That's why the goal was conceeded.

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

The wall didn't react well to the ball being rolled to the side for the player to hit. That's why the goal was conceeded.

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Have a look at the view from behind the goal, no City player was going to keep it out.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Have a look at the view from behind the goal, no City player was going to keep it out.

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I have and I'm still trying to work out what our player, Alvez I think it was, was doing. Instead of running towards the ball he was running out towards the wing

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Originally Posted by bobh

I reckon we'll lose this and end up bottom.

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The prosecution rests, your honour.